CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[isalybra]

That was not her salary from what I understand, though. Far from it. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

She did not get 200k This was an inspirational photo to look at as her goal to hit. She is so close to it but no it's not income. It's 200k in monthly sales and income is a percentage of that

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If it was a pyramid scheme it would be illegal. Obviously, it sells products and there are those who purchase the products voluntarily. Not a thing wrong. JMO

Yes, I believe the differentiation is the primary purpose of the pyramid company is to get people downline, versus the primary purpose of anMLM is to sell products. It's a fine line that many multi-level marketing companies tow for legalities.

 

[Gingerbread7]

Isalybra,
How do the patches make you feel? can you put too many on? Do the patches give you energy? What are the adverse side effects you or your clients have experienced?

 

[Gumbeaux]

I can’t move past that it wasn’t her place to get involved.

This is not even sarcasm, is it??

 

[MerryB]

Shanann seemed like such an “All you need is love,” “Love will conquer all,” kind of girl. She tried so hard. This is all so sad.

She seemed to me like she had a strong will, and where there’s a will, there’s a way.
She was determined, she was driven. She overcame a failed marriage & found the perfect man, she overcame debilitating autoimmune illnesses & had 2 beautiful, healthy children, she overcame financial ruin & rose from the ashes to become a leader in her occupation.

 

[cottonweaver]

So far, after 10 threads, no Le-Vel “brand promoter” has offered inside information as to what an “80k promoter” even makes. Some posters have offered up how a W-9 has to be filled out- but does that include quarterly SS and Medicare tax payments, above income tax payments? It seems like an honesty system to fill out that W-9. And pay the taxes. Plus, there is the whole issue of car leases. The financial aspect of what’s been posted so far still leaves a lot of holes.

Wondering if this info could be revealed at the trial...

 

[Chelly]

Yes, I really tilted that direction after hearing that he was already planning to sell the house. Day 1 or 2, I think? Wow.

Wow, exactly! What kind of loving, caring, human being would do this immediately on learning of the disappearance of his beloved family?

 

[PommyMommy]

I can't speak to everyone, but I see a good case against Thrive and their pyramid scheme. One of the top indicators of a family annihilator is a financial crisis. I think those who feel Thrive has some culpability are the guesses here that Shannon was spinning her wheels on a "Get Rich Quick" scheme instead of helping the finances with a traditional job. Therefore their descent into Thrive fueled CW's need to wipe out a family and start over, so to speak. Also, the chemicals in the patch....did they make the situation escalate? At least that is how I am reading it. YMMV

But, according to him, he's not a family annihilator. He only confessed to killing his wife.

I think I'll just leave this aspect of the case to the legal experts. I've never used Thrive, don't smoke and have no use for energy drinks, so it's hard for me to put myself in that position (referring to whether or not the chemicals made the situation escalate). I am a coffee hound though, and if I were ever charged with a violent crime, I would be looking for a new lawyer if he/she pinned my defense on Tully's Italian Roast. KWIM?

 

[pocketaccent]

If he had a mistress, he had no respect for Shannan. Why didn't he leave?? Why kill 4 people?

Divorce attorneys, splitting assets, child support are expensive.

 

[GrilledCheezy]

Not sure why any attorney would waste money hiring posters when, in reality, jurors aren't supposed to be reading anything about the case.

Once they're empaneled. I'm betting this case won't go to trial for probably two years, if that. That's a lot of time for potential jurors to hang out in forums like this one and read the wild theories and speculation that some posters here are throwing out. That type of diversionary tactic can greatly inform a potential juror's opinion.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If she was fibbing to get the police in the house, what is the worse thing that could happen?

For Chris, it was that they were able to have a searchless warrant and see everything in View and tape it! And having Nicole to put it out in the public of what she saw!

 

[isalybra]

I'm not so sure about this, I believe it was stated that SW was in the range of 80k in sales, do we know if that is yearly or monthly? Seems way to high to be monthly. If it's yearly, her commission wouldn't likely be more than 50% (I'm being conservative here), so maybe she was making 40k annually. If I'm wrong and that is a monthly figure, she would have been making a lot of money. If she was, I think it's less likely that money was a factor in motive as she could have had to pay him alimony.

Edited: quoted wrong person. Sorry.

The ranks go from 80k to 200K, a big jump. In April her monthly sales were about 130k

 

[Stripehaven]

It’s probably past time to stop feeding the troll.

 

[SumnerRain]

Thank you @SumnerRain! As I’ve been saying, I think there is a lot we can glean about their financials if you just understand what you’re looking at. You did a good job in your explanation of something not everyone is aware of or understands.

There isn't much I can add that hasn't been sleuthed, but I can add real estate related answers, as it's what my career field is in.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, I believe the differentiation is the primary purpose of the pyramid company is to get people downline, versus the primary purpose of anMLM is to sell products. It's a fine line that many multi-level marketing companies tow for legalities.

Bernie Madoff ran a pyramid scheme. He lured new investors and used their money to reassure old investors their investments were making money all the while putting the money into his own pocket. I think Le-Vel is more like an Arbonne and it sells actual products. I've never purchased any product from either company.

 

[mtnlites]

Grasping at straws for some kind of defense, perhaps? It's kind of screaming desperation to me.

Arguing with everyone, ignoring well-informed responses, putting friends on trial who aren't even accused of doing anything wrong, disrespecting the children by flippantly comparing the way their bodies were hidden to a legal and professional burial, and now crying "voodoo"? This isn't playing devil's advocate, it's trolling.

 

[chi123]

So far, after 10 threads, no Le-Vel “brand promoter” has offered inside information as to what an “80k promoter” even makes. Some posters have offered up how a W-9 has to be filled out- but does that include quarterly SS and Medicare tax payments, above income tax payments? It seems like an honesty system to fill out that W-9. And pay the taxes. Plus, there is the whole issue of car leases. The financial aspect of what’s been posted so far still leaves a lot of holes.

You'll be waiting a long time for someone to explain it, unfortunately. I would love to see an income disclosure statement and several MLM sites have repeatedly tried and failed to get proof of anything like that from promoters, just the usual spin.

 

[Deleted member 134862]

But, according to him, he's not a family annihilator. He only confessed to killing his wife.

I think I'll just leave this aspect of the case to the legal experts. I've never used Thrive, don't smoke and have no use for energy drinks, so it's hard for me to put myself in that position (referring to whether or not the chemicals made the situation escalate). I am a coffee hound though, and if I were ever charged with a violent crime, I would be looking for a new lawyer if he/she pinned my defense on Tully's Italian Roast. KWIM?

I have tried Red Bull and felt nothing because I am such a coffee hound. However, there are products that are over the counter that make me very agitated. I am not saying Thrive caused death. I am saying if I were the defense I would definitely involve Thrive in the case. It seems the most plausible for a jury to relate to as issue-laden and perhaps a mitigating circumstance (especially if we determine they were in a financial crisis again...which IMHO they were). You can't pay your HOA dues of $52 a month and prefer to go to court with the addition fees....something is walking like a duck.

 

[Not a Belle]

The ranks go from 80k to 200K, a big jump. In April her monthly sales were about 130k

Hi, isalybra. Thank you so much for being here during what must be an incredibly difficult time. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend and her sweet babies, and I hope justice will be served for them.
I have zero experience with Thrive or similar products/companies, so I don't know anything about how their sales/pay structure works, or how the tax part works. I assume she would be responsible for handling that (would she be considered an independent contractor?)?

 

[MyBelle]

Once they're empaneled. I'm betting this case won't go to trial for probably two years, if that. That's a lot of time for potential jurors to hang out in forums like this one and read the wild theories and speculation that some posters here are throwing out. That type of diversionary tactic can greatly inform a potential juror's opinion.

A jury isn't selected until the case is ready for trial. If a potential juror forms an opinion about guilt before trial they are supposed to disclose it. I think most jurors abide by the oath they take and base their decision on actual evidence at trial rather than wild theories thrown out on social media. JMO