CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

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Inthedetails said:
I don't understand how MLM are not considered pyramid schemes. Seriously, what's the difference?

jmo
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Pyramid schemes are illegal. MLMs are often simply product-based pyramid schemes.

Pyramid Schemes are, however, fraudulent schemes, disguised as an MLM strategy. The difference between a pyramid scheme and a lawful MLM program is that there is no real product that is sold in a pyramid scheme. Participants attempt to make money solely by recruiting new participants into the program. The hallmark of these schemes is the promise of sky-high returns in a short period of time for doing nothing other than handing over your money and getting others to do the same.
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NothingClever said:
From my understanding in reading the threads she was selling at least $80,000 a month and in April sold $140,000. I don’t know what percentage her base commission would have been but even if it was only 10% of sales that’s $8,000 in comission. Add to that the money she makes from her downline, which was substantial again from reading the threads here. That percentage would vary depending on how much those individuals sell.

I sold Scentsy for years but do not any longer. I can tell you my Superstar Director (she would be like my grandmother looking at it in a family hierarchy situation) had a downline of over 8,000 consultants and her yearly commission was over half a million dollars. Not her sales....her take home commission.

We don’t know how big SW’s downline was nor what the comission structure was like but I don’t think she was throwing out as much of her own cash as people are assuming. Just my opinion tho.
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Wow - $140,000 in a month? That sounds like a lot, but I guess that would be about $300 of product to 15 different people every day, which doesn't sound outlandish - but you would still need 15 different people every day to get those sales. Are you sure that's not her whole team's sales? That would be more accurate. If she had the potential to make $15,000 a month in commission, why would CW derail the gravy train? I thought it was financial stress, but now its stranger to me.
 
NothingClever said:
From my understanding in reading the threads she was selling at least $80,000 a month and in April sold $140,000. I don’t know what percentage her base commission would have been but even if it was only 10% of sales that’s $8,000 in comission. Add to that the money she makes from her downline, which was substantial again from reading the threads here. That percentage would vary depending on how much those individuals sell.

I sold Scentsy for years but do not any longer. I can tell you my Superstar Director (she would be like my grandmother looking at it in a family hierarchy situation) had a downline of over 8,000 consultants and her yearly commission was over half a million dollars. Not her sales....her take home commission.

We don’t know how big SW’s downline was nor what the comission structure was like but I don’t think she was throwing out as much of her own cash as people are assuming. Just my opinion tho.
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The monthly sales figures of $80,000 and $140,000 probably include everyone in her sales line, don't you think? Not just her personally. (That would be a lot of product to sell personally.)

I remember years ago my parents sold Amway, and it was the same thing. You made a certain percentage off the product you personally sold, and then a lower percentage off the product that people in your line sold. But it helped to have long lines of distributors in a row, instead of a bunch off of just one distributor. IIRC, once a distributor reached a certain level for three months, they became a direct distributor, and not as many points went up after that. I can't believe I remember that stuff 35 years later.

So I bet SW was at the top of her organization, then CW was under her, and then all her other distributors would be downline from him. That way CW's points per month would be nearly as high as SW's, so they would both qualify for cars.
 
Close family friends can’t believe what happened to the Watts family
“Shanann, she just had a smile that made everybody smile," close family friend LN said.

A picture perfect family is what Shanann Watts portrayed of her husband and two daughters on Facebook. It's a picture, close family friends say they saw in real life too.

"Everyone who looked at Shanann and Chris they just, immediate thought was love," Naumann said.

LN said, “Her laugh was contagious and those girls, they had the laughs of angels, and the souls of angels.”
 
DAdvocate said:
From what the friend told me in a previous thread, she was making good money, but couldn't put a percentage on how much she got from total sales because is varied.
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I don't know her friends household dynamics, but good money to one isn't good money to another. For instance, good money to a person without a mortgage, kids, daycare, etc., is much different to a person with those expenses.
 
Tippy Lynn said:
I don't know her friends household dynamics, but good money to one isn't good money to another. For instance, good money to a person without a mortgage, kids, daycare, etc., is much different to a person with those expenses.
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I totally agree. It also doesn't mean that SW and CW were paying the bills with the money they were receiving.
 
Inthedetails said:
Back to the burial site - can anyone bring me up to speed where the grave in the ground was compared to where those huge tanks are? Has that info been released?

tia.
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I don't know the answer to that one, but in the video the "expert" was saying that the crude oil is probably not heated, but would probably be under "ambient pressure" controls, and the tank tops would be hard to open unless the tanks were empty. He thought CW might have thrown the kids straight into the oil in the smaller tank, but it looked wide open to me, he said, IIRC that he could have put them in the oil so that his DNA would be wiped away. He didn't seem to know that CW threw the kids into 2 different tanks, I think that has been published. I'll say JMO because I can't remember where I read this: I read that he probably buried the Mom in a berm by the edge of the clearing where the dirt was already piled up and probably looser. I still think it's because he was late carrying out the whole mass murder because of the plane being late, and ultimately ran out of time before he could carry her up the steps. Assuming the tanks did open more easily than the fellow in the video says. Or it could have gotten light too soon (for him), or he could have seen another vehicle coming. Did anyone ever clarify if he buried his children in plastic bags, or just threw them dressed or naked into the crude oil?
 
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DAdvocate said:
We don't know squat.
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We know he was having an affair. We know he admitted to murdering his wife. He admitted to putting the bodies of his children into oil tanks and the body of his wife in a shallow grave.

That's all dark, IMO.

We know a lot more than squat, but maybe we don't all have the same definition of what dark means.
 
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