Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

[PommyMommy]

Someone descibes her comments as being "vicious", but I'm feeling like that's what all the judgement is when describing her. If there was a connection, that would be one thing. But since there is none that can be proven, it seems more like gossip to me. Jmo

Yes, I would sincerely like to see that cleared up because 5, 10 or 20 threads from now, this will be repeated as fact and posters are going to ask where it came from. (Aside from the fact that it reads like victim bashing.) Better to deal with it now.

@Allabouttrial
Did you (or anyone else) find the link(s) for the several times that SW allegedly publicly slammed her MIL?
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

BBM, You said: "I think the main thing for me regarding this whole allergy issue, is the fact that SW slammed her MIL on SM and not just once but several times and quite viciously. We've heard how kind, loving and caring she was, but for me it shows a very unpleasant side to her personality. By all means in the privacy of your own home have a rant and get it off your chest, but to publicly humiliate family on SM in my books is unacceptable."

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes, and that took so,me time to carry that plan out. Those tanks weren't close by. The bodies had to be loaded clandestinely and transported. Once on the burial sites, there were apparently steps involved, and separate tanks. Separate. Then, the digging of a shallow grave. All of that takes time.

And this is because his wife killed them and he had to kill her, then pretend that they were missing until LE found the bodies? It defies belief.

 

[mtnlites]

I had forgotten about the closets.

I think I have some PTSD from that whole debate. I haven't even been able to look at my wardrobe without palpitations since.

 

[MsBetsy]

Bwahahaha! I am somewhere in between "Please don't remind me," and "OMG, that is INSANE!"

Yes. Maybe a little OCD, ( not in the clinical sense) and I have many friends like that. I'm always in awe when I see the extent of organization in their house. I don't get it, and they don't know how I can live with my things all over the place that I can never find. They are the best at helping you clean up and get rid of clutter, though. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

I think I have some PTSD from that whole debate. I haven't even been able to look at my wardrobe without palpitations since.

I guess I'm glad I missed it.

 

[Medstudies]

CW is charged with, IICR, 5 1st degree murders and a bunch of other felonies including causing the death of his own little unborn boy. SW, on the other hand, is being charged on SM for using too much SM (irony here?), and that she should have "rehomed" her beloved little short haired dachshund, and that, horrors of all horrors, she expected her hubby to help her out with house work while she raised 2 toddlers and carried his baby and had a full time job she created for herself.

right? Why isn’t C.W. being called out for keeping the dog, the medical concerns, getting his high risk wife pregnant? Seriously, if she is “guilty” of these things he co-piloted and is equally guilty.

Other interesting tidbits: we cannot scrutinize C.W.’s social media usage because he wiped it a week prior to the murders. How convenient! Perhaps he was posting non-stop? Who can prove otherwise? I’d be willing to bet he was on his phone as much as she was. (And MOO: She was using SM mostly for work/PR while he was using mostly for fun and for sexting.)

Can anyone actually prove that he did ALL the housework? I’m pretty sure the only people who could attest to this are all dead.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think I have some PTSD from that whole debate. I haven't even been able to look at my wardrobe without palpitations since.

A woman with 100 pairs of shoes should be entirely capable of killing her family. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Lots of gossip.

I was on another case for 2 months, (Pommy mommy was there) and stuff like that wasn't allowed by mods without facts to back it up. I guess in this case it is because SW is a potential suspect... we have CW to thank for that. Jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

I guess I'm glad I missed it.

You were lucky. She had a really well organised closet and that meant that she had BPD.

 

[Jennifer17]

I was on another case for 2 months, (Pommy mommy was there) and stuff like that wasn't allowed by mods without facts to back it up. I guess in this case it is because SW is a potential suspect... we have CW to thank for that. Jmo

Except, don't people have to be named by LE to be a suspect? LE haven't named her as a suspect, her murderer has.

 

[?mysterian?]

And this is because his wife killed them and he had to kill her, then pretend that they were missing until LE found the bodies? It defies belief.

Well, according to CW, a proven liar, IMO. How does one determine what is the truth according to CW? Does one pick and choose? Or just go along with whatever the story changes to? I'm so thankful he appeared on-camera for his media interview.

Even if people think SW murdered her girls (ridiculous, IMO), how do those that do deal with CW's multiple body disposal plan? Why didn't he just call 911?

 

[mtnlites]

Notes from last thread:

-I took 2 of my infants to the chiropractor. They had regular visits that first year. It helped tremendously with colic.
- I have a child with dog dander allergies. They don't react to our Dachsund at all.
- I have had 3 high risk pregnancies (a complete placental abruption with one and a partial with the last). I saw both a midwife and an OB. They worked out of the same office/practice.
-I wish my mother had been as proactive about my health as SW.
- I found my child dead. I thought my husband had killed him. My initial reaction was not to kill my husband but to call 911 and perform CPR until they arrived.
- Isn't it odd that we supposedly have 2 different killers with the exact same MO-strangling? What a coincidence that they both chose the same method a method that is not that necessarily common to begin with.

 

[MsBetsy]

SW left the girls in CW's care over the weekend while she was at a Thrive retreat/event. For 6 weeks prior SW took them to her parents place in NC, CW joined them for the last week.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. That makes a lot more sense. People kept commenting on how she entrusted him in his care but I didn't realize it was just for the weekend!

 

[NuttMegg]

Yeah, that's the truth. It is crazy to think about-he APPEARED to be a loving father who adored his wife. And who knows? Maybe he was at one time. That's the scary thing-the idea that it could flip like that.

If I were still married I might be looking at my husband out of the corner of my eye a little. Not that he ever hinted at violence, just that geez, how can you know what will light the volcano. A lot of women do the egg shell shuffle all their lives, maybe SW stood up for herself now and then and that's why she and her kids were annihilated. IMO

 

[Medstudies]

Except, don't people have to be named by LE to be a suspect? LE haven't named her as a suspect, her murderer has.

I swear I just heard the sound of the mic drop.

 

[PommyMommy]

I was on another case for 2 months, (Pommy mommy was there) and stuff like that wasn't allowed by mods without facts to back it up. I guess in this case it is because SW is a potential suspect... we have CW to thank for that. Jmo

O/T
Yes, and bless your heart for all of your patience over there! I’m still following, but I quit posting after reading pages upon pages about illegal immigration and how a dairy farm operates. {Sigh}

 

[Jennifer17]

O/T
Yes, and bless your heart for all of your patience over there! I’m still following, but I quit posting after reading pages upon pages about illegal immigration and how a dairy farm operates. {Sigh}

Me too.

 

[JudgeJudi]

@MsBetsy

“You cannot diagnose mental illness after death. You can do a brain scan and look for certain things but it is impossible to make a diagnosis after death”.

Agreed. In another trial I saw an expert witness attempt to present her diagnosis based on what others, including friends, had told her. The defence brought in a specialist forensic psychiatrist who testified for a day and was still only half way through her testimony when the judge dismissed her.

 

[tjredline]

Quick question:

Is there a app for WS? Or do I just get on it through safari for my phone? We're in the process of moving back to the lower 48 from Alaska and I will be without internet/TV for the rest of the week before my plane ride. I don't want to be a week behind on everything.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I can't wait to see the evidence come out in detail. I believed 100% he did it to begin with but I'm 50/50 now. I can see the case either way.

There seems to be more people going from CW being guilty of killing the girls to undecided. I know others don’t agreee, but it’s not unreasonable to think it could go either way.
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