Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

[Sleuthine]

SBM

These were real people, and not characters in a story.

This can't be emphasized enough.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

IMO people want to believe him because it's so hard to fathom that a seemingly good father could do something so incredibly horrific. Our logical, rational, empathetic selves cannot comprehend this level of evil.

IMO people don’t want to believe that SW did it for the same reasons.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Yes, I would really like to see that cleared up because 5, 10 or 20 threads from now, this will be repeated as fact and posters are going to ask where it came from. (Aside from the fact that it reads like victim bashing.) Better to deal with it now.

@Allabouttrial
Did you (or anyone else) find the link(s) for the several times that SW allegedly publicly slammed her MIL?
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

BBM, You said: "I think the main thing for me regarding this whole allergy issue, is the fact that SW slammed her MIL on SM and not just once but several times and quite viciously. We've heard how kind, loving and caring she was, but for me it shows a very unpleasant side to her personality. By all means in the privacy of your own home have a rant and get it off your chest, but to publicly humiliate family on SM in my books is unacceptable."

Oh the irony. SW, who was murdered by her husband and is unable to defend herself is being publicly humiliated on this forum, and elsewhere, about her setting health guidelines for her own children with her MIL! SW was upset which is normal in the circumstances, her children's lives were at stake.
SW was robbed of the chance to patch up any differences she had with her MIL, CW made sure of that!

 

[idfinch]

IMO people don’t want to believe that SW did it for the same reasons.

Yes, but she's dead and he is an admitted killer without a scratch on him. That doesn't feel quite 50/50 or it could go either way to me. There seems to be a slight imbalance.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, I would sincerely like to see that cleared up because 5, 10 or 20 threads from now, this will be repeated as fact and posters are going to ask where it came from. (Aside from the fact that it reads like victim bashing.) Better to deal with it now.

@Allabouttrial
Did you (or anyone else) find the link(s) for the several times that SW allegedly publicly slammed her MIL?
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

BBM, You said: "I think the main thing for me regarding this whole allergy issue, is the fact that SW slammed her MIL on SM and not just once but several times and quite viciously. We've heard how kind, loving and caring she was, but for me it shows a very unpleasant side to her personality. By all means in the privacy of your own home have a rant and get it off your chest, but to publicly humiliate family on SM in my books is unacceptable."

Yes! That's what I meant when I said it would never be allowed anywhere else. She was never named a suspect so I don't understand why so much judgement should be allowed for a potential victim. I understand that we have to be open to others opinions that CW's story might be true but judgements about her should not be allowed if there is no evidence to back it up. Opinion and fact are two different things, and he has been charged with the crime so I don't understand it. Maybe the mods just don't know that posters are doing this. People are not reporting because they are not sure of what is crossing the line? I don't know. It should be made clearer. We are judging CW BECAUSE he is charged with the crime. It doesn't seem fair that she should get the same judgement. Jmo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

O/T
Yes, and bless your heart for all of your patience over there! I’m still following, but I quit posting after reading pages upon pages about illegal immigration and how a dairy farm operates. {Sigh}

I quit reading over there too - it was out of hand.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Except, don't people have to be named by LE to be a suspect? LE haven't named her as a suspect, her murderer has.

Actually, Jennifer, that's a good point!

 

[Hatfield]

Well, according to CW, a proven liar, IMO. How does one determine what is the truth according to CW? Does one pick and choose? Or just go along with whatever the story changes to? I'm so thankful he appeared on-camera for his media interview.

Even if people think SW murdered her girls (ridiculous, IMO), how do those that do deal with CW's multiple body disposal plan? Why didn't he just call 911?

Re BBM and JMO

Good question. That would be the normal thing to do wouldnt it?

Also many people are revived after suffocation or drowning and miraculously the first responders can sometimes bring them back to life. So if we are to believe his excuse it means he decided to not even try to get first responders over there to save his last child or the other child.

His excuse is similar in ways to the Lucas H. thread where the guilty girlfriend first claimed she just found him dead and so instead of calling 911 she has to go hide the body under a bridge. That excuse didnt work out for her and I doubt his similar excuse will work out for CW in this case. I guess he is claiming some sort of panic rather than just calling 911. In CW case he may claim he was afraid he would look guilty. LOL Well, yea because he is guilty IMO.

Another sort of similar excuse is going on in the Mollie T. murder case. Not quite the same but he is claiming he blacked out and after coming to he decides he has to hide the body. If he was in a rageful fight and lost control rage wise with MT because of something she said then he could have called 911 right after it happened and she may have been able to be saved by first responders. Also the evidence would be found to support his claim and maybe give him 20-30 years sentence instead of doing what he did which is hiding the body. So in that case it is similar to this case and the answer is he is totally lying about the whole thing.

You dont start hiding bodies unless you are guilty IMO.
I dont know of a single case where someone hid a body and they were not either totally responsible or partially responsible in the persons death.

 

[mtnlites]

IMO people don’t want to believe that SW did it for the same reasons.

That certainly isn't the reason I don't believe it. I don't believe it because, other than his word, there is no evidence to support the idea.

 

[Jennifer17]

There seems to be more people going from CW being guilty of killing the girls to undecided. I know others don’t agreee, but it’s not unreasonable to think it could go either way.
JMO - MMO - IMO

IMO people don’t want to believe that SW did it for the same reasons.

Not true for me. He is the one who lied and lied and lied and dumped his little girls in crude oil.
He was the one sneaking around having all kinds of affairs, not her.

 

[NuttMegg]

Not true for me. He is the one who lied and lied and lied and dumped his little girls in crude oil.
He was the one sneaking around having all kinds of affairs, not her.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder when he decided on the story that she killed the kids. I know when he told LE, after he talked to his father, but it would have been gruesomely fascinating, to watch that evolution in his mind to "it was all her fault".

 

[MassGuy]

Except, don't people have to be named by LE to be a suspect? LE haven't named her as a suspect, her murderer has.

Yeah, it really doesn’t make much sense to me why the door is open (on here), for the discussion of SW as having been responsible.

You have a named suspect, and pathological liar on one hand, and a dead victim on the other.

If he says 10 sentences, he tells 10 lies, and yet his words are being given some sort of weight. His words are the only reason for people believing that SW may have done this.

 

[human]

I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE DID NOT KILL THEM

But here are some things that are interesting to me until more info is given

1. For those that do not believe that doctors do not give intense procedures that are not needed, this is the case of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Murder of Dee Dee Blanchard - Wikipedia

I am NOT referencing this because of MBP which I do not believe SW had. I am merely referencing because of the doctor’s unneeded and inaccurate treatments. It happens.

2. People are saying he made up the separation to NAU when she was at the door. How do people explain that SW’s mother’s friend was talking about it in North Carolina?

3. There are people who love drama. Ordinary events are stretched to provide drama. For instance, getting immunization records for the airline trip.

I looked on multiple sites and kids flying under age 14 are no big deal re ID.This is one example of an ordinary event made dramatic.

4. I have a friend who truly has had a tragic life. But she makes up stuff to make it even more so. She loves the drama and what she gets from it. Lots of gifts, lunches, free stays at nice places.

Never on her FB have I heard people questioning anything. She did tell me her older sister is sick of all of the drama. My friend was outraged about the comment.

5. People have been saying why they think SW could have killed the children. The disregard of allergies. The videos of her being very insensitive to the children.

The bringing them to the doctor so often.

6.

People then say how those are ridiculous. But those are some of the reasons that seem concerning .

Even if she killed the kids, he killed her. So hidng them all saves him. There is no getting around that he killed her and he was going to prison unless he got rid of all evidence.

7. Was he hiding his true self all of those years? The only people I have self diagnosed as sociopaths are unpleasant. They lie, cheat in little ways . There are inconsistencies in things they say and do

Most people are not analyzing orhers very much until their own lives are impacted by a person. Maybe in retrospect people will remember things that now have meaning.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, but she's dead and he is an admitted killer without a scratch on him. That doesn't feel quite 50/50 or it could go either way to me. There seems to be a slight imbalance.

We don’t know if he had any scratches on him or not. Sure he didin’t have any obvious scratches that we saw in his interview, but that doesn’ t mean there weren’t any that we didn’t see. You’re right he did admit to killing her, but he has not admitted to killing his 2 girls. He is saying she did it. I admit it doesn’t look good for him and the things we know he did don’t make sense and point to him. But we don’t know who is responsible yet. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

We don’t know if he had any scratches on him or not. Sure he didin’t have any obvious scratches that we saw in his interview, but that doesn’ t mean there weren’t any that we didn’t see. You’re right he did admit to killing her, but he has not admitted to killing his 2 girls. He is saying she did it. I admit it doesn’t look good for him and the things we know he did don’t make sense and point to him. But we don’t know who is responsible yet. IMO

He was also covering much of his arms during the interview. But that is a small detail compared to what we know he did and how he stood there and said "the worst thing is not knowing if they are safe," after he tossed them into the oil barrel and dug a shallow grave for his wife.

 

[Starkville]

I think the reasoning in his theory makes perfect sense. Why did CW seem so intent to make others aware that he wanted the separation? Maybe it was the other way around. The affair could be his way of making sure he had something in place before the separation. He may have anticipated it for awhile. And the fact that she left for 5 weeks instead of sticking around to work on her marriage. Maybe to her it was a trial separation. Does anyone know if there was a specific reason she left the girls home? I don't know much about the trip. Jmo

You bring up a very good question: “Why did CW seem so intent to make others aware that he wanted the separation?“

Maybe pre-emptively answering the question I keep asking “Why did he have to kill them? Why didn’t he just leave?”

Maybe it’s a variation of “Nobody dumps me. I dump THEM”! (Although I do believe he was the one who wanted out. I don’t think Shanann wanted a divorce AT ALL - bad for the brand and her credit was shot.)

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Not true for me. He is the one who lied and lied and lied and dumped his little girls in crude oil.
He was the one sneaking around having all kinds of affairs, not her.

I can see your point and can see how you would come to that conclusion. I’m sorry, until I know more I’m not in the same boat.

 

[NuttMegg]

There is no getting around that he killed her and he was going to prison unless he got rid of all evidence.

I am just going to try to stay away from all the SM stuff, it doesn't seem fair to me and I still haven't watched any videos except the Christmas one and a couple of snippets posted here. But it does seem ironic to me, the amount of time ppl (not necessarily you) are spending on her FB site, only to accuse her of spending too much time on FB herself.

The reason I clipped your post is to say I disagree 100% with that statement. If he had killed her the way he says, and if he had called 911 and not purposely destroyed evidence he would have earned reasonable doubt, IMO, if not complete exoneration of even being charged. And he might have 1 or 2 live children. The reason he did all of what he did after he killed her, was because he wanted to obfuscate the whole situation and take the heat off of himself. He's a coward, IMO.

 

[Starkville]

I think the reasoning in his theory makes perfect sense. Why did CW seem so intent to make others aware that he wanted the separation? Maybe it was the other way around. The affair could be his way of making sure he had something in place before the separation. He may have anticipated it for awhile. And the fact that she left for 5 weeks instead of sticking around to work on her marriage. Maybe to her it was a trial separation. Does anyone know if there was a specific reason she left the girls home? I don't know much about the trip. Jmo

You bring up a very good question: “Why did CW seem so intent to make others aware that he wanted the separation?“

Maybe pre-emptively answering the question I keep asking “Why did he have to kill them? Why didn’t he just leave?”

Maybe it’s a variation of “Nobody dumps me. I dump THEM”! (Although I do believe he was the one who wanted out. I don’t think Shanann wanted a divorce AT ALL - bad for the brand and her credit was shot.)

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder when he decided on the story that she killed the kids. I know when he told LE, after he talked to his father, but it would have been gruesomely fascinating, to watch that evolution in his mind to "it was all her fault".

CW didn't come up with that story until he had talked to his father. Why not right from the time he got arrested??!!

 

[Hatfield]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder when he decided on the story that she killed the kids. I know when he told LE, after he talked to his father, but it would have been gruesomely fascinating, to watch that evolution in his mind to "it was all her fault".

JMO
When someone kindly shared a similar case with a similar excuse I keep thinking that LE is going to find out where he looked up that other case and got the idea from the other case. Maybe he used his relatives computer and that could be why there has not been SM evidence yet uncovered. Or he could have used the library computer to do his research.

I honestly think he found that other case to come up with this planned defense. Or maybe he talked with an attorney beforehand and maybe they knew of the past case and happened to mention it to him to give him the idea.

Im hoping LE will bring forth SM evidence that shows where he got the idea for the defense strategy.