Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #5

[SweetPeas56]

I think he has a girlfriend. That's what's different. Someone she thought was a friend of hers. There is someone that I have suspected of having a affair with him. It will be interesting to see if I was right when it all comes out. And I believe it will all come out.

What made you suspect this person of having an affair with CW? Do you know them and did you see interactions that raised flags? Or while sleuthing, did you see something on SM that raised flags for you?

Edited because I can't grammar today.

 

[enelram]

I'm trying to back off my distaste for the interview N did. I really am. I think her heart is good and if she hadn't raised an alarm, we'd all still be wondering and might be forever. But I do heartily think that LeVel needs to step in and tell all S's "people" that she was a valued member who will be greatly missed and they've got her people this month. Let them grieve without worrying about their stupid down line. It was obvious she was well-loved.

I also think this will be a DP case. And I think it will be some kind of combo of the Thrive/Christian Longo defense. And I'm guessing that he's been doing the Thrive for a while, so wouldn't a negative reaction already have happened?


According to SW on her FB, CW started to use 'BURN' the weight
loss type supplement put on by THRIVE on June 9, 2018

 

[MCDRAW]

What made you suspect this person of having an affair with CW? Do you know them and did you see interactions that raised flags? Or while sleuthing, did you see something on SM that raised flags for you?

Edited because I can't grammar today.

I saw something but won't say until it comes out. Because I could be and probably am wrong. And because what I saw could be just a personality trait. I don't know them personally.

 

[SuziQ]

Eikelenboom, the DNA expert working for the defense that former Denver DA Mitch Morrissey hates, has been doing research on the effects of certain male genes that respond violently to anti-depressants. He worked on the Aaron Hernandez case. I suspect you are spot on in using this as a defense. However, I see it more as an effort to keep him off Death Row which I think prosecutors are pondering.

ITA. It's usually during the penalty phase of a trial, that we see the defense go after the victims. Mitigating factors and all that. It is sickening to watch. Using the thrive defense won't get him off a murder rap. But it might lessen his sentence.

 

[enelram]

Mrs.Watson- CW started on BURN on June 9,2018
acc. to SW's FB
Burn is the stuff to lose weight put out by THRIVE.

 

[crhedBngr]

First, it's as good a time as any.

Second, I'm not in the state of Colorado. Thankfully criminal law in Louisiana extends to the unborn.

Thanks for posting this link. I've signed the petition.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I don't buy that he was a 'genuine' nice guy doting husband and
father. I think he faked a lot of this behavior in front of her
friends and cohorts. Like many women, SW was stuck in a marriage w 2 small children and another on the way. She had a lot invested in the marriage and many reasons to 'tolerate'
a less than ideal hubby. Pretty common, IMO.
He didn't suddenly snap. The rotten human being was always
there, he just kept it under wraps.
Sudden rage, , murderous rage came forward, but his potential
for this was always there. MOO.

Oh, yes!

 

[MrsWatson]

Off to read more about this "Burn" stuff. I'm not quite sure I'd be very enthusiastic about using something called "Burn"; it burns calories, it burns money, it burns brain cells, it burns bridges?

 

[gitana1]

First, it's as good a time as any.

Second, I'm not in the state of Colorado. Thankfully criminal law in Louisiana extends to the unborn.

Actually, this would be the best time. The only time. Legislation gets introduced in such cases when people are outraged due to something like this.
In any event, it wasn't passed previously because as authorized it was to broad and went into the abortion issue.

But understand all that this is about how a person can be sentenced. We don't need a fourth murder charge here for it to be a death penalty case.

In a case like Lacy Peterson's, it changed a homicide case to a double homicide and allowed it to be a death penalty eligible capital murder case because it was now a murder with multiple victims. CA Penal Code 187 - First, Second & Capital Degree Murder

This case already has multiple victims and it is thus death penalty eligible in CO. Also because it involves the murder of minor, dependent children it could go from second degree to first even without deliberation. Colorado First-Degree Murder

So for sentencing purposes in this case it wouldn't have made a difference.

It might in another though, that involves a pregnant woman.

 

[SoBu]

Probably not relevant to case, but why in the world was he doing a PowerPoint presentation on “relationships”years ago? Was it for a college class?

 

[cottonweaver]

THIS is why I mentioned yesterday I was trying to see what they took from the house in their clear storage containers! And exactly.... I still hope and would suspect the Prosecution will be prepared for this with actual statistics from the company themselves:
So out of 1.4 million customers (I made this number up as example only), only one person murdered their family? Exactly.
And how many of us here drink more than one cup of coffee a day. Ridiculous to me, but I guess it is their job to put on a defense.

Yes. It's a nonsense but we all guess that they're going to try. ( If you want to really get into the science of it - which I don't at the moment - there's plenty of controversial science and room for some colourful Defense witnesses on this. We still don't know if CW was a long-term user of Thrive - could've been just for the photo-calls.)

Easy wikipedia- basic stuff on just two of those stimuli

 

[CARIIS]

During this interview one of our questions has been answered. Atkinson says, there was no movement after I dropped her off until 5 when CW left for work. So he took all 3 together to his place of work. I truly hope SW did not witness her children being murdered or see what he had done when she arrived home. Dear Lord.

or ( I think it was went berserk that night ) but if it was premeditated and all thought out why not kill the children earlier and dispose of and tidy all up \

Good Morning all!!!
Hoping we find out more today.

good morning back !

We all have been through enough of these

It has always been striking to me -- how different -- but predictable just distinctions are gonna be during the first presser.

OPen honest etc or an endless it is too early dance.

It sure varies wildly

This gang looks like under investigation super warrier , sadly.

I wonder if depts that are in that MO can write up there stuff and leave a lot out and tell the judge verbally stuff they dont want on paper?

 

[searchinGirl]

ITA. It's usually during the penalty phase of a trial, that we see the defense go after the victims. Mitigating factors and all that. It is sickening to watch. Using the thrive defense won't get him off a murder rap. But it might lessen his sentence.

I guess we might know later, but I’m curious about research on Thrive? Is this a product that has been approved for ingestion by the FDA. It reminds me of a time about ten years ago when Ephedra was being sold as an energy supplement.

I’m not sure they are going after the victim here. I do wonder if C.W. offered to lead them to the bodies if he could avoid the Death Penalty? I believe I read in one of the stories linked here that his Dad encouraged him to come clean.

 

[SuperTmo]

After hearing from N, the friend, who is obviously totally heartbroken, I have revised my scenario, as have some others. I previously thought he got all buff and pushed the baby because he was feeling insecure and in the shadows, hence all her cheerleading posts about/to him. Almost like she was convincing herself as well what a great guy he was. The vacation and/ or possible separation being her idea. Now, I think HE was the one who was done. I think he grew consumed with anger and jealousy and just loathed her. And yep, that type of guy, well, just because I don't want you, doesn't mean anyone else is going to have you either.

Has anyone thought perhaps there might be another explosion so he could truly disappear them and was twarted by her late plane? I am very curious as to what his long term plan was, too. Did he chicken out of suicide?

Either way, still waiting for his side piece. You know there's gotta be one.

MOO

One report I saw said he had a gas can. My assumption was he was going to burn her body near the oil tank and hope it caught the tank on fire and caused an explosion. A fire that hot would likely cremate a body. But it sounds like the girls were not in the same tank so IDK. I keep seeing “tanks” being referred to. I think he spead them out because two bodies in one tank might smell badly enough to be noticed.

 

[cottonweaver]

Eikelenboom, the DNA expert working for the defense that former Denver DA Mitch Morrissey hates, has been doing research on the effects of certain male genes that respond violently to anti-depressants. He worked on the Aaron Hernandez case. I suspect you are spot on in using this as a defense. However, I see it more as an effort to keep him off Death Row which I think prosecutors are pondering.

Interesting. Do you think CW was on anti-depressants?

 

[katie565]

I've also been looking for a GMA video which has an interview with Nickole Lutoft - if anyone has a link, would be grateful.

Apols if the link has been posted - can't keep up with the thread

It looks like she’s going by Atkinson in media interviews. I’m guessing because she doesn’t want her fbook found.

 

[MysteryMama]

Here's one:
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/he-ne...urder-days-after-they-went-to-birthday-party/

OK thank you. I found that one earlier but it just says days before they went missing, it doesn't specifically say Sunday.

 

[NanZDrew]

The tanks are

A few things I'm wondering about. Are the oil tanks involved in this case big enough for an adult to fit through the opening? Yes. They are about 20-30 ft high and can hold 20,000-30,000 gallons. The manway usually has a diameter of 24-36" so people can go in to repair or inspect the tanks. Did he intend to put SW in one as well? Was she too big, being an adult, for him to get her into the tank? Not too big, but problem would be climbing 20-30 ft. with an adult body. Where was the oil destined for? This was crude that was considered a contaminant in a gas well. In a gas well, the amount of crude would be lower than in an oil well. It would probably take a year before that tank would be empty, but it was close to full. Are the tanks ever drained otherwise? Yes, when the crude is sold or when the tank needs to be repaired like if a weld needs to be repaired. When oil is removed from the tanks, is it for processing? Yes Sale? Yes Transfer? Yes. May go to a refinery to separate out the various chemicals. Also is mixed with sand to produce asphalt. Would decomposition byproducts become noticable? Would depend on when found. With a high level of decomposition, the materials in the body would be the same as chemical composition of oil. Even calcium from bones would not be noticeable since it is a naturally occurring element in some rock like limestone. Would the oil restrict or aid decomposition? Would depend on the chemicals in the crude. It will vary from location to location. Are they going to find internet searches on these types of questions? I doubt it, but if you have worked around crude tanks, you would know this and he worked for a gas company and tanks. He would know the answer to all of these questions from experience. The crude is thick and sticky. After 4 days that would likely have sank some into the crude and probably couldn't even been viewed. Were the oil tanks something he thought of before or after the murders?

In spite of things that have rubbed others the wrong way (I get it), I feel like N bit down like a pit bull and wouldn't let go when she sensed something was wrong. Had she not been so persistent and involved LE so quickly, it's possible that CW would have had more staging time, making this case that much harder for authorities to solve and prosecute.

Edited for spelling.

The tanks are 20-30 ft. high. They will hold 20,000 - 30,000 gallons. They could hold lots of people. The manway at the top usually has a 24-36" diameter. It is large enough for a person to enter to maintain or repair the tanks. The only problem would be climbing 20-30 ft. on a small ladder to put the person in a tank. That would be hard to carry an adult without risk of falling.

 

[SuziQ]

She has stated on social media that he convinced her to have a third. For whatever that's worth.

His belief, according to a school assignment video. Was that having another baby would fix a relationship. So IMO, he got her pregnant on purpose. But at some point he realized that didn't fix their relationship, and he was done. Either she was leaving him or he found someone else. So now what does he do? Divorce, child support and alimony is expensive. We know how he solved that problem.

 

[PommyMommy]

But “3 weeks prior to everything happening” SW was across the country in NC, without CW, who was only there for the first week of the 6-week visit. I am a bit confused how it could have been observed that CW “wasn’t touching or hugging or doing stuff like that” 3 weeks prior to them returning from NC when they were not all in the same place then. Am I off here?

They are two different statements. 1) Something happened 3 weeks prior, and 2) She noticed distancing. It is not said when she noticed the distancing. At least, that is how I am interpreting it and that could change in the next 5 minutes, lol.