Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #5

[cottonweaver]

SW mentions in one of her tweets that she was a nanny to a sweet little boy in 2010. I believe that is the child you are referencing.

Thanks - that may well be it then, well I hope so anyway. ( With them being Xmas pix and a family style group - CW, SW & child , it was easy to just assume that was a child of his from a previous reln.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

A few things I'm wondering about. Are the oil tanks involved in this case big enough for an adult to fit through the opening? Did he intend to put SW in one as well? Was she too big, being an adult, for him to get her into the tank? Where was the oil destined for? Are the tanks ever drained otherwise? When oil is removed from the tanks, is it for processing? Sale? Transfer? Would decomposition byproducts become noticable? Would the oil restrict or aid decomposition? Are they going to find internet searches on these types of questions? Were the oil tanks something he thought of before or after the murders?

In spite of things that have rubbed others the wrong way (I get it), I feel like N bit down like a pit bull and wouldn't let go when she sensed something was wrong. Had she not been so persistent and involved LE so quickly, it's possible that CW would have had more staging time, making this case that much harder for authorities to solve and prosecute.

Edited for spelling.

Boy you ask a lot of questions!!! I know some answers but I’m going to give you some links to read. I did and one thing I can quickly answer is depending on the tank size, and the roof ( fixed or floating) he may have had as much as a manhole size cover to fit through. Having said that, there would have been as many as 8 bolts to loosen to open the access.

I worked on the Exxon Valdez oil spill for the governor in Alaska. I was waiting to see if the prosecutor identified the type if tank. And as far as the solids in tanks yes there are some. I’ll find a link. The crude pumped out of the ground and into tanks is either sweet or sour. And if it was a crude oil tank then there’s only one shipping destination. A refinery. Keep in mind too the oil is heated to keep it liquid and thinner in order to pump easier through a pipeline. Those bodies were in very warm oil for over 4 days.

The cost to recover them was not cheap for Anadarko. Highly trained specialists are contracted to even open tanks to do anything inside. The vapors are flammable and I would imagine they had a crew come in from somewhere else to do it. Yes the tanks get maintained but that maintenance is customized to environmental laws and requirements in each jurisdiction. Each is different.

I’ll get done links posted. I hope I was helpful.

 

[mickey2942]

I knew that this would cost a boatload of money for that company. They won't get any money from him.

 

[MrsWatson]

She may have meant that three weeks ago was when S started talking about it.

ETA: Tried to quote. Didn't happen. I was referencing when N talked about problems with S & C, since obviously S was in NC three weeks ago. I would guess S & N texted/facetimed, etc during the NC trip.

 

[enelram]

Probably not relevant to case, but why in the world was he doing a PowerPoint presentation on “relationships”years ago? Was it for a college class?

We haven't uncovered that.

 

[Herat]

I assumed he had a Ring doorbell that said the exact time and when he prepared for the interview, he noted the exact time.

I think we'll find out from computer searches, etc how premeditated this was

You can't convince me (yet) that a delayed flight was the difference between a late-night "I'm leaving you" and a mass murder

 

[Deleted member 172065]

It seems to go in cycles, nice, abusive, decent, a little abusive, really nasty, nice etc. At least my ex did that, kind of keeps you off balance.

True

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you for posting this interview with NU (AKA NA). I have to say, hearing her side of things has changed my mind. I have been imagining that SW was the one who wanted to leave, and that that her 6 week trip to NC may have been a trial separation. After watching NU/NA's interview, I think it was CW who had decided to move on.

still so on the fence

had he pondered killing her ( and she probably did so the relationship appears to have been toxic for a long time) yes

I don't think he planned on having to kill the kids tho

But -- I dont understand ( unless the ladies had talked or the friend sensed that he had impulse control issues )

another thing that hit me was in all the SM stuff they both are constantly wearing those patches they cost some money I can sure see him being pissed about having them both have to buy and keep them on all the time as it relates to money.

In any of her marketing of the patches (and her family) online -- did she ever use her husband in a testimonial ? Stuff like" look how buff my junk got my husband ??

Did she monitor and post his transformation?

Do we have a timeline of how long the changes took?

the friends whole deal being he did not seem to be doing something

what was he supposed to be doing

 

[Davia18]

Has the services been announced yet and I missed it. Or have they not released the bodies yet ? Sorry I'm way behind.

 

[CARIIS]

Off to read more about this "Burn" stuff. I'm not quite sure I'd be very enthusiastic about using something called "Burn"; it burns calories, it burns money, it burns brain cells, it burns bridges?

or does nothing !! Its caffeine!!

garcinia cambogia some fruit !

ForsLean - a root from india!

Cosmoperine pepper!

 

[cottonweaver]

Off to read more about this "Burn" stuff. I'm not quite sure I'd be very enthusiastic about using something called "Burn"; it burns calories, it burns money, it burns brain cells, it burns bridges?

This is quite good on all those burns. Check the income averages on the pyramid. Ouch! ( I also sincerely hope that this isn't being promoted to pple w eating disorders, anorexic girls etc . Article notes use of the ingredients as appetite suppressants.)
Le Vel Thrive Real Deal Or Fancy Garbage With A Pinch Of Health?

 

[SweetPeas56]

The tanks are


The tanks are 20-30 ft. high. They will hold 20,000 - 30,000 gallons. They could hold lots of people. The manway at the top usually has a 24-36" diameter. It is large enough for a person to enter to maintain or repair the tanks. The only problem would be climbing 20-30 ft. on a small ladder to put the person in a tank. That would be hard to carry an adult without risk of falling.

THANKS!!(-:

Edited because I can't format today either!

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Well, still pondering. The girlfriend motive seems likely now that I read the above posts.
If caught, a guy can become deadly. I can't say why, but I know they can.

 

[Herat]

"While the Cat's away the mice will Play."
I've seen this scenario so many times, wife and kids go visit family, disgruntled entitled hubby goes out to strip club or bar and meets floozy for a hookup. Finally he finds some new meat that
appreciates him. Not like the nagging wife, not just a paycheck.
This new hot gal is really into him and putting him on the pedestal this narcisisst believes he is destined for. Done deal.
Marriage is over. Kids don't matter. No love lost cause there was
never any real love there anyway. Fresh start. A do over.

Or it could be that SW knew something was wrong earlier & needed some relief from him with her own kin. Also talking through separation options w her family

 

[bluesneakers]

This is quite good on all those burns. Check the income averages on the pyramid. Ouch! ( I also sincerely hope that this isn't being promoted to pple w eating disorders, anorexic girls etc . Article notes use of the ingredients as appetite suppressants.)
Le Vel Thrive Real Deal Or Fancy Garbage With A Pinch Of Health?

"You will rarely see anyone saying how great this stuff is…

That’s not selling it themselves."

 

[SweetPeas56]

Boy you ask a lot of questions!!! I know some answers but I’m going to give you some links to read. I did and one thing I can quickly answer is depending on the tank size, and the roof ( fixed or floating) he may have had as much as a manhole size cover to fit through. Having said that, there would have been as many as 8 bolts to loosen to open the access.

I worked on the Exxon Valdez oil spill for the governor in Alaska. I was waiting to see if the prosecutor identified the type if tank. And as far as the solids in tanks yes there are some. I’ll find a link. The crude pumped out of the ground and into tanks is either sweet or sour. And if it was a crude oil tank then there’s only one shipping destination. A refinery. Keep in mind too the oil is heated to keep it liquid and thinner in order to pump easier through a pipeline. Those bodies were in very warm oil for over 4 days.

The cost to recover them was not cheap for Anadarko. Highly trained specialists are contracted to even open tanks to do anything inside. The vapors are flammable and I would imagine they had a crew come in from somewhere else to do it. Yes the tanks get maintained but that maintenance is customized to environmental laws and requirements in each jurisdiction. Each is different.

I’ll get done links posted. I hope I was helpful.

Very helpful thank you!

 

[cottonweaver]

"You will rarely see anyone saying how great this stuff is…

That’s not selling it themselves."

plus this bit

"This Le Vel Thrive AUTO-Ship Is About To Set Sail!
One thing is for sure, you will always be set up with an auto ship order to keep you an active member of this cult.

So unless you start getting followers in a hurry (i.e friends and family) you’re going to at least have to shell out around $100 every month, unless you get 2 new recruits a month to pay for you to break even.

When you try to return your product, it has to be resell-able as well as you will only get 50% of what you paid minus a 10% restocking fee.

if you try to return it you will lose 60% right off the bat."

Also the company says this about 2015 results. So apply that to the pyramid's earnings for the top 1% . "
Le-Vel Achieves $350 Million Sales In 2015 With 500,000 Rep’s

 

[MysteryMama]

Eikelenboom, the DNA expert working for the defense that former Denver DA Mitch Morrissey hates, has been doing research on the effects of certain male genes that respond violently to anti-depressants. He worked on the Aaron Hernandez case. I suspect you are spot on in using this as a defense. However, I see it more as an effort to keep him off Death Row which I think prosecutors are pondering.

That is interesting. I posted a little about this at the end of the last thread about an acquaintance I had whose husband, to all of our knowledge had no prior violence. He killed their whole family very violently and then himself the next day, left notes that it was financial reasons, they were in a lot of debt. I remember at the time there being a lot of talk about the medications he was RXed, including anti-depressants. The meds he was on are listed in this article. I am not familiar with any of them.
In Notes Left in Family's Killings, Md. Man Details Debts, Depression

 

[Herat]

That's such a good observation! Nickole specifically said that CW was not being as affectionate or as involved with the girls in the 3 weeks prior. Only way she would know such specifics was if SW had told her that, since they were out of town. Whether he was just being more distant before their trip or got really quiet/distant WHILE they were on their trip (not communicating as much, returning calls, etc.), apparently it was enough for SW to communicate her worries about a change in behavior to a friend.

Sounds to me like SW was noticing the change in SW PRIOP to her 6 wk trip, but maybe only mentioned it to Nikole 3 wks ago, maybe in unhappy anticipation of returning home - like asking Nikole to check out CW & see if he's been going around with another woman - what has he been up to -type questions

 

[SuperTmo]

I'm trying to back off my distaste for the interview N did. I really am. I think her heart is good and if she hadn't raised an alarm, we'd all still be wondering and might be forever. But I do heartily think that LeVel needs to step in and tell all S's "people" that she was a valued member who will be greatly missed and they've got her people this month. Let them grieve without worrying about their stupid down line. It was obvious she was well-loved.

I also think this will be a DP case. And I think it will be some kind of combo of the Thrive/Christian Longo defense. And I'm guessing that he's been doing the Thrive for a while, so wouldn't a negative reaction already have happened?

Still nada from his family? I can't say I blame them and they must be hurting so much as well.

Why does it bother you that her friend did an interview? Did it bother you that the neighbors did? Why would you be surprised that his family hasn’t said anything, implying that you want them to, but not want her friend to say anything? Yesterday there were so many posts, “I can’t wait to hear what made her so suspicious” and that is very valid. I think you are being really tough on her friend.

We need to stop judging Shanann’s line of work and how her colleagues are deciding to deal with their grief. They knew her and believe this is what she would want them to do.