Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #6

[pocketaccent]

. Hi! And so very happy to be back.

Me, I can't wait until we hear the guilty verdict (a long long wait, I know, if this will be a DP case).

Me, text messages, emails, journals(hehe). Are you ready for the rabbit holes?

 

[Mariposa]

Ok I'm back on the bedding again.
From the affidavit https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

It sounds like CW consented to a search on Monday afternoon after NU called the police. He handed over SWs phone to police at that time.

Then later the affidavit describes on Wednesday a drone identified a bed sheet in an oil field. The affidavit says the sheet matched bedding found earlier that day (so, Wednesday) in the kitchen trash can in a search CW consented to.

Why did he leave one if his bedsheets in the oilfield? Sloppy, rushing, dropped it?
Why didn't he either get the bedding in the kitchen trash disposed of out of the house, or put away in the house, before Wednesday? Even if he couldn't dispose of them because he was under surveillance he could have put them away because what innocent reason is there for sheets in the kitchen trash in this situation?

This guy.

 

[Herat]

He was the one who asked for the separation. He was the one having an affair. There is no way she would take the kids to a friends house and leave him to live in the house all by himself. That’s just stupid. She would stay in the house, he would leave.

But I don't believe he even asked for a separation.

This wasn't about creating a workable situation for a failing marriage

This was REVENGE and a way to escape all responsibility

It was really the cheap, shoddy, immoral, obscene way out of a marriage and fatherhood. It was like he believed stupid stories and felt that this was easier than having to have real emotional discussions, and disagreements, and losing face and admitting to your own kin you've failed, and having to look your little children in the face and know how much it would hurt them to have their little world turned upside down.

It was the COWARDLY way out

 

[RavenCC2020]

Except he was projecting about the separation (that's what narcs do). Separation had already been on the radar when SW talked with her family during 6 week visit to NC so no, she did not come home to this surprise news that caused her to kill their children.

Exactly and if this goes to trial he is the only person that can testify he did this. The prosecution would love to have him on the stand to ask him why she had mentioned to her family she wanted to seperate from him. There goes his fake story right down the drain.

 

[Hope4More]

I think he hid it. Either to stop her from calling for help when he murdered her or because he didn't want it to sound or show from a window or something if someone came by before he could get back to stage the scene.

Hmm. My purely speculative guess is that she went upstairs very soon after arriving home, still had her phone with her, saw one or both of her dead babies, began calling for help, but was attacked before she could complete the call, and the phone was knocked out of her hands, or she hid it when she heard him, and he never had the time to search for it after killing her.

 

[margarita25]

I hope he takes the stand.....the guy can't even lie well as we saw from his interviews.

I also hope the gf takes the stand and destroys him.

Shanann’s family has suffered enough to put it mildly (and will be suffering the rest of their lives)...now they have to sit through THIS BS? While they drag Shanann through the mud in the courtroom and try to blame her for killing her own daughter (or whatever crap he’s spewing). There has GOT to be a line somewhere. I guess everyone is entitled to his or own defense. Whatever the case CW has dug his own hole further, not that he wasn’t already in the deepest hole possible.

Everything is jmo. Going back to read now. I agree though, white lilac. Hope he is nailed to the wall in the courtroom. I think he will be.

(Raises hand for jury duty, no I have no opinion. Chris who? JK)

I believe our justice system will prevail to the best of its ability. Even though IMO there is not always such a thing as true justice. Because nothing will ever bring these victims back. And account for the terror and everything else they might have suffered.

End of rant.

(Actually not really. If I was her brother say, and this, um, person started talking smack about her in the courtroom, I’d be like you better not say one more ill word about my sister...this family should not have to sit through this BS!!
(Taking a break.)

 

[Herat]

I'm not convinced he actually "asked for a separation". If SW was worried he was having an affair, she might have directly connected that with "our marriage is over." She had one divorce behind her and she probably did not want another one, but for many women, infidelity is non-negotiable, and leads to instant separation.
She's suspicious he's having an affair but she hasn't confirmed it yet, she's made it clear that IF he's having an affair, their marriage is over, she goes to her family for a few weeks to get him to focus on what's important... and he uses this alone time to make wild promises to his girlfriend and search for convenient body-dumping sites.
MOO

I concur exactly.

He doesnt want a "separation" with his responsibilities to maintain support for 3 children. He just wants it all to go away.

If he wanted a separation, why would he kill Shannann by strangling her? Wouldnt he have called 911 the minute he thought those kids were harmed?

Let's have him prove he wanted a separation. Let's have him show that he's searched about how to do this legally, how this works in CO, how to maintain contact with his children, how much he is legally obligated to provide, how this works.

I'm sure it ain't there. Because, instead, he was searching murders of small children, how to hide bodies.

I hope his google searches crucify him.

 

[Hope4More]

Me, text messages, emails, journals(hehe). Are you ready for the rabbit holes?

Not really, lol, but if nothing else, I'll wait on the edge of whatever holes you delve down into, until you emerge with whatever treasure you invariably find.

 

[katie565]

Ok I'm back on the bedding again.
From the affidavit https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

It sounds like CW consented to a search on Monday afternoon after NU called the police. He handed over SWs phone to police at that time.

Then later the affidavit describes on Wednesday a drone identified a bed sheet in an oil field. The affidavit says the sheet matched bedding found earlier that day (so, Wednesday) in the kitchen trash can in a search CW consented to.

Why did he leave one if his bedsheets in the oilfield? Sloppy, rushing, dropped it?
Why didn't he either get the bedding in the kitchen trash disposed of out of the house, or put away in the house, before Wednesday? Even if he couldn't dispose of them because he was under surveillance he could have put them away because what innocent reason is there for sheets in the kitchen trash in this situation?

This guy.

Dude was running out of time and was completely frantic trying to get out the door. Probably planned on being out earlier but all his plans were messed up. He couldn’t remember the purse, phone, sheets, etc. prob meant to take that kitchen trash bag with him.

 

[zencompass]

Court appearance later this morning for Christopher Watts to be advised of charges levied against him.


(Tuesday August 21) at 10:00 a.m.



Colorado man charged with first-degree murder in deaths of his wife, 2 daughters

"Autopsies were completed Friday on Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts. The cause of their deaths has not been made public."

"Weld County prosecutors said Watts was jailed in protective custody. He is scheduled to appear in court at 10 a.m. Tuesday to be advised of charges levied against him."

 

[Satchie]

Ok I'm back on the bedding again.
From the affidavit https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

It sounds like CW consented to a search on Monday afternoon after NU called the police. He handed over SWs phone to police at that time.

Then later the affidavit describes on Wednesday a drone identified a bed sheet in an oil field. The affidavit says the sheet matched bedding found earlier that day (so, Wednesday) in the kitchen trash can in a search CW consented to.

Why did he leave one if his bedsheets in the oilfield? Sloppy, rushing, dropped it?
Why didn't he either get the bedding in the kitchen trash disposed of out of the house, or put away in the house, before Wednesday? Even if he couldn't dispose of them because he was under surveillance he could have put them away because what innocent reason is there for sheets in the kitchen trash in this situation?

This guy.

Others have said this, but to me most likely he was overwhelmed by fear when police got involved so soon. I think his plan assumed he'd have lots of time to hide things before calling in police. Once they were involved, his guilty conscience convinced him he'd just draw attention to evidence if he went anywhere near it. He just hoped they wouldn't notice it.

 

[molly1255]

Dear Cariis,

We may have to disagree on this one, my friend. Although you did say that you are "open" to other possibilities. I'll take that as a friendly challenge.

In my opinion, the "endless relentless non stop raving" is necessary in her "story of true love and happiness" she used constantly to promote the product.

It wasn't a true story. Shanann's friend, Nickole Atkinson told the true story.

But this was a story that could sell Shanann's product.

This is a common thread throughout most sellers' instagrams, facebooks, etc. They are marketing their products. The conferences they attend are exciting and create enthusiasm to "rave" about every single part of their lives!

They are encouraged to show the world that because this product changed their lives, they are excited and love their partners and have to tell us every day how joyous and happy their lives are.

They are told to share your excitement through selling of the product in their social media. And they do! Do they ever!

They feel "fabulous" and not just on Tuesdays but every single day!

But wait! Every single minute is fabulous ! Even when they are late for 10 appointments and are in the back of the line at the grocery store and they are so happy waiting in line. This product changed their life! They are so happy everywhere!!

They are encouraged to post positive and exciting messages about everything and everyone in their lives. Especially their spouses who support the product too!

Their spouses are not just "wonderful" but they are "the best thing that happened to me." They are the most perfect and wonderful spouses in the entire universe! This person changed my life just like this product changed my life!

She "sold" the idea of the "impossibly perfect and ecstatic happiness" just as she sold that product.

It's what the marketing conferences train them to do. They try to convince them that this form of marketing will work above all others.

I'm not saying that most of these people are not happy. Likely they are. But are they really all living a "100% impossibly perfect live"? I don't think so. We wouldn't be human if we had perfect lives.


There's nothing wrong with marketing or the conferences or anyone who sells products, of course. There's nothing wrong with making your life look "ideal" on social media. Nothing against any products. That's not my point.

In my opinion, the "endless non-stop raving" you mention is "key" to a marketing strategy to sell this product.

The key clinical point, in my opinion, was exactly when C.W. began to distance himself from the family he was planning to eradicate.

He was displaying cognitive dissonance.

This is interesting and thanks for sharing. My thoughts have been SW had cognitive dissonance, and that is what attracted her to Le Vel. She was married to an extremely bad guy, but I don't think she could allow her mind to accept the contradictions in his character that probably surfaced throughout their marriage.

I think the entire Le Vel organization is a study in cognitive dissonance. I think upper management has a formula on how to pick out people who are depressed and/or have problems and then brainwash them in their training sessions. I think these people really believe that Le Vel and their products have greatly improved their lives because they are fed a steady diet of baloney.

Makes me wonder how many of these people are eventually going to realize they have been hood-winked?

 

[BeckyF]

According to a FB post she made, she was hesitant but he had "convinced her" to get pregnant again...
I am having trouble getting into FB tonight but tomorrow I will look at that post again

She could have refused. Continued taking birth control. I saw the post.

 

[whitelilac]

" in protective custody".....too bad

 

[gitana1]

look at that utter devastation

So many pictures like these on her social media (she adored those girls):

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “Love my snuggles! #rarewithcece #wild #fearless #fulloflove #fulloflife #loveher #daughter #blessed”

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “As much as I love holding my baby while she takes a 3 hr nap I can't get any house chores done. Doing them while they are awake is triple…”

 

[Mariposa]

But I don't believe he even asked for a separation.

This wasnt about creating a workable situation for a failing marriage

This was REVENGE and a way to escape all responsibiliyt.

It was really the cheap, shoddy, immoral, obscene way out of a marriage and fatherhood. It was like he believed stupid stories and felt that this was easier than having to have real emotional discussions, and disagreements, and losing face and admitting to your own kin you've failed, and having to look your little children in the face and know how much it would hurt them to have their little world turned upside down.

It was the COWARDLY way out

100%. I should shut up about the Christian Longo case I know, but it is SO similar with the strangulation/blame the wife angle. He also made up an even more elaborate "emotional conversation" back story to paint a fake picture of what supposedly triggered his wife to strangle the kids. Anyway, Chris L ended up in death row where he slumbers this night and here's hoping Chris W will end up in the same sort of place!

 

[margarita25]

Court appearance today (Tuesday August 21) at 10:00 a.m.



Colorado man charged with first-degree murder in deaths of his wife, 2 daughters

"Autopsies were completed Friday on Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts. The cause of their deaths has not been made public."

"Weld County prosecutors said Watts was jailed in protective custody. He is scheduled to appear in court at 10 a.m. Tuesday to be advised of charges levied against him."

(Wish I could throw stones! If you see someone arrested tomorrow for throwing stones...
Not really, I’ll behave but ykwim! I would if I could!!)

 

[The Saint]

I don’t ever remember him looking like a “fat guy” but I can see him wanting to start caring about his looks to attract someone else or to keep up with his wife.

There are some photos SW posted where CW is overweight. In one, CW is wearing gray sweatpants and is lying on the floor playing w/ the newborn Bella. In another photo, SW & CW are outside (both wearing pants) and standing side-by-side. They are both heavy. Their thighs were the same size as each other but double their current thigh size.

 

[gitana1]

Ashley Banfield

Thank you! What did she say?

 

[Mariposa]

Thank you! What did she say?

Something about maybe CWs unnamed mistress helped him dispose of the bodies. It was pretty horrifying because I don't think she offered any substantiation for that speculation.