Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #6

[mountainguy777]

I've been following this case since day one and just hopped over here to see what all the sleuthers have found.
JMO
I think Shanann came home and found her kids were either not even home or already dead. The "emotional conversation" that the neighbours allegedly heard was likely her finding this out and then he killed her. Her flight being delayed set off his plans and then the fact she had a good enough friend to call in a welfare check so quickly really screwed up his timeline to clean and tidy up.
Sick.
I don't feel like an affair makes anyone more or less guilty. I do think it could have been part of his motivation. Though, fr0m what I've read her linked in said she was making around 80k with Thrive. In 2013 their income was about 149k and in 2014 their income was something like 94k. If she was making 80k that means he was likely feeling quite emasculated in not being the one to provide adequately for his family. If he was the one making that money in 2014 and she didn't have the income then obviously that's different. Would love to see their most recent tax docs if anyone has them!
I don't get the murder is better than divorce mentality, but it seems to happen far too often. In this case, he would likely have lost his home, custody of three children and would have been paying child support for all three kids plus alimony. Unfortunately, money is a huge motivator in many murders. IIRC they declared bankruptsy once already and were allegedly preparing to do so again.
All of this is MOO and speculation based on things I have tried to remember from when this case came out. I didn't expect to come here to post so I don't have any links, sorry! <modsnip: asking for PMs is against TOS>

Excellent!

 

[Ronso]

it is so strange

in the interviews i did not see what you all saw

now that we have some nuance

i am thinking

jeezz what is he suppossed to do

admit he killed his wife he moved everything saw his wife murder his kids

i would think (sounds awful) what he did in panic would make some sense

it is done

it happened

i dont like jail

it does not change that everything that happened happened

i know you guys this sounds bad

but if you can suspend your suspcions for a minute dont ya think he was kinda freaked

he admitted to first degree murder

so he will be in jail for the rest of his life

there is really no reason for him to lie if he actually killed the kids

he is going to prison forever

From the beginning I found his emotional statement just true

now ( i know no one believes this ) just roll for a minute

that he just told a woman he did love in the past mother of two of his children that he has to go

that would be an emotional event for both of them

he totally completely admitted to first degree murder

He didn't admit to first degree murder from what I saw on the affidavit. At all. He admitted to a heat-of-the-moment murder. First degree murder is premeditated. There's a reason the prosecution isn't buying what he's selling. He's trying to get out of the first degree murder charges by blaming it all on SW.

 

[Seattle1]

I see nine charges...but why 5 murder charges if three people were murdered?

Murder by a person in trust adds additional count for each child.

 

[borndem]

Sorry, there’s no way he could see the babies “turning blue” on that monitor.
It’s all a crock <modsnip>!
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All the prosecution will need to do is to bring that monitor into the courtroom for a demonstration to the jury.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

They are two different sections in the Colorado penal code according to the complaint: C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(a) (F1){01011} and C.R.S. 18-3-102(1)(f) (F1){01018}

Hi @Alethea - good to see you here!

 

[katydid23]

....snipped for focus..

there is really no reason for him to lie if he actually killed the kids...

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YES, there is reason for him to lie. People have sympathy for spouses who kill spouses. It makes some sense.

But there is NO SYMPATHY for a father who kills 2 tiny girls. NONE. Nothing but disgust and vitriol for someone who could strangle their toddlers.

So that is plenty of reason for him to lie and deny his evil deeds.

Blame it on Mom, then he had valid reason s to kill her and he is a hero now, not a villain.

Cariis, I love you, but you are too gullible...this guy's story is total BS....

 

[Hope4More]

If you walk in on your wife, trying to strangle your babies, you knock the wife out, and then CALL 911 FOR HELP.

If you do snap and kill the wife, you can still call 911 and tell them she was killing you children and you were defending them.

You don't cram the babies dead bodies into an empty tool box and drive them to your job site, and stick them down a crude oil well, and then put on your favorite Tar Heels T-shirt, and smile for the tv cam the next morning.

Accusing the pregnant wife he murdered of strangling her babies because he told her he wanted a separation sounds like a fine way of ensuring a jury returns a DP sentence, or the maximum punishment allowable.

His story-lie is as self-serving and narcissistic as it is outrageous and unbelievable.

It makes zero emotional or logical sense that his exhausted pregnant wife would react to being told he wanted a separation (if that even happened) by choosing to kill her other babies, much less by the brutal method of strangulation, twice over.

It makes even less sense that he didn't know his wife was strangling his babies in another room until he saw it on a baby monitor (how ridiculous), and that his first (and only) response was ANGER/RAGE towards her, and that he chose to act on that rage by killing her--and their unborn baby--by strangulation, the same way she had supposedly just killed their babies.

And then, yah, right, rather than realizing omg what did I just do, what did she do, and calling the police, he stuck his babies in oil tanks, dug a shallow grave for his dead wife and unborn baby, and showed no emotion that day or the next.

I don't believe a jury will believe that story, and I think they'll hate him all the more if he tries to play righteous victim and blame his dead wife, in order to save his own psycho arse.

 

[mountainguy777]

I agree. He is probably getting tons of mail from the ladies now too.

Ewwwww yer probably right!!!

 

[Shekkiec]

Looking at witness list I think the two blocked out names are children bc they are juveniles . SW is on there so it would make sense

 

[Eclipse]

it is so strange

in the interviews i did not see what you all saw

now that we have some nuance

i am thinking

jeezz what is he suppossed to do

admit he killed his wife he moved everything saw his wife murder his kids

i would think (sounds awful) what he did in panic would make some sense

it is done

it happened

i dont like jail

it does not change that everything that happened happened

i know you guys this sounds bad

but if you can suspend your suspcions for a minute dont ya think he was kinda freaked

he admitted to first degree murder

so he will be in jail for the rest of his life

there is really no reason for him to lie if he actually killed the kids

he is going to prison forever

From the beginning I found his emotional statement just true

now ( i know no one believes this ) just roll for a minute

that he just told a woman he did love in the past mother of two of his children that he has to go

that would be an emotional event for both of them

he totally completely admitted to first degree murder

If it had happened as he said- I would think that would be second degree murder.

He probably doesn't want his family to know what a monster he is.

 

[Missti]

Murder by a person in trust adds additional count for each child.

Thank you. I am in Canada - we don’t have that here (thT I am aware of). I have heard the term before, I didn’t realize it meant a second Murder in the first degree charge tho.

 

[BUF]

Anyone have a guess how long this case will take to get to trial?

I'll make a guess...3 years

 

[Tippy Lynn]

There is no doubt in my mind that he killed his children and wife. His lie to try to get out of this makes no sense. If she killed the kids why would they have been put on his work property.

I agree. He did it, no doubt for me either.

 

[zencompass]

In Colorado it's a separate crime to kill a child under 12 when in a position of authority. So 3 murder charges (1 for each person), and 2 of the additional child murder charges (for each child).

Dear Alethea,

I am so glad you are here.

We have our wonderful Verified Attorneys on this important thread.

Gitana1 and Alethea are so kind and helpful in explaining legal aspects and terminology on every thread I've been on.

Most importantly you have deep compassion and such caring for others.

Thank you both for being on this thread. You are greatly appreciated!

@Alethea

@gitana1

 

[Seattle1]

Was there a source for that statement?

Ratings...

 

[Doghairrules]

I don't believe for a minute that SW had a borderline personality disorder. She had plenty of very close friends. She was incredibly adept at marketing on social media. There is no way the defense can escape the fact that CW didn't call 911 and instead hid his children's bodies in crude oil. To even suggest CW is somehow a victim in these horrific deaths really is incredibly far-fetched. JMO

I couldn’t agree more. He didn’t even find them a decent burial place. He dumped those precious babies in crude oil. If he had been grieving over someone else murdering them, there is no way he could have dumped them in crude oil, IMO and probably the opinion of all the other decent people in the world.

 

[principessa1180]

I know a man that left his wife. He claimed her Lupus made her irrational and abusive. They had two small children. He said he felt the Lupus became so severe it caused brain damage. They share custody of the kids, and he remarried and had two more children. He's doing well, but his ex wife is struggling.

 

[CARIIS]

His story is preposterous. I don't believe SW killed her children. But even if I were to doubt, his story in the affidavit doesn't make sense.

In the affidavit, it says that CW claims he told SW he wanted to separate, then he went downstairs "for a moment" and returned upstairs to their room to see (via baby monitor) that SW was strangling Celeste while Bella was blue on her bed. That's just ridiculous. I don't know how long it takes to strangle someone (I'm sure experienced sleuthers could enlighten me!), but I assume it's not very quick, and to only be downstairs "for a moment" and come upstairs to find one child already dead, and the other being "actively strangled"...? Within a moment or so? Not only that, but say he rushed in, and he -- I assume -- would try to stop SW from strangling the child, but couldn't stop her in time and so both of the children died? I mean, he's 225 lbs and muscular. I'm sure he could've stopped her easily.

I guess there is much more that will come to light. It's my first rodeo, here.

i think his personality stepping away from crying her escalating makes some sense

just oh i need a break

that kinda fits

through all the movie shooting he had to go thro his love for kids appeared to me like less than a show --

i believe he loved his kids

i believe they both were very destructive to each other for quite some time

he did not have fantasy bond stuff going on

knew he was increasingly miserable

tired of working all the time to find out she had spent whatever to buy the two of them more patches (they had them on in every shot) i sure don't think he was buying them

there had been some confusion - from what we all learned the thrive thing does require cash outlay

for a family of four living on clear after taxes 38000 is pretty rough

but there is 200 a month of patches for both of us every month

might be concerning

they had patches in everything

someone is paying for them

jmo

 

[mountainguy777]

He didn't admit to first degree murder from what I saw on the affidavit. At all. He admitted to a heat-of-the-moment murder. First degree murder is premeditated. There's a reason the prosecution isn't buying what he's selling. He's trying to get out of the first degree murder charges by blaming it all on SW.

Boom.

 

[illumin8ted]

In his press interview he said he hopes his kids come and ‘barrel’ him over.

His unconscious verbal is so telling!!!