Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #6

[Layla123]

I can't imagine a single juror on any jury believing this loathsome killer.

I can’t imagine either, but OJ got off.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Given that he tried to blame this on Shannan, does anyone think he would take a plea deal?

And does anyone think he would be offered one?

*honest, not sarcastic*

 

[gitana1]

If your examples of Borderlines are from Hollywood movies, you might want to actually read legitimate sources about Borderlines.

There's no evidence Shanann had this disorder.
Borderlines are FAR more likely to harm themselves than others.
The only person claiming Shanann would harm her kids is someone who has continuously lied, on top of also dumping her and her daughters' bodies.

Pretty far reach, there.

Yes. My mother in law and an aunt by marriage are border lines. It's nightmarish. They are incapable of sustaining relationships. They are very combative and unstable. They have a hard time maintaining employment. Friendships.

I don't see one sign of that in her.

The most I could see early on was the possibility of a nervous breakdown due to lack of sleep. But that possibility disappeared quickly when the circumstances of the car began to unfold.

None of what that monster says is believable.

 

[Tess Elizabeth]

I think about a family that my daughter and I have known for 6 years, and I compare their response to tragedy with CW’s, and in my mind there is no way he was upset these kids died.

Last year our friends, he a firefighter / EMT and she a trauma nurse, said goodnight to their 11 year old and in the morning she was dead in her bed. She passed away overnight from an undiagnosed medical problem. It was very very VERY obvious she had been dead several hours, probably happened right after she went to bed or close to it, but my friends tried desperately to revive her.

When the fire dept arrived, from the station he works at no less, the mom stepped back to let the EMTs take over and to comfort her other kids, but the dad would not stop. Could not stop. He just kept trying to breathe life back into his little girl. His fire dept brothers had to physically restrain him and in his anguish he ripped out clumps of his own hair and sobbed into the arms of the firemen that were there. I can’t imagine how he would have reacted if he saw someone kill her, but his impulse would have been the same: try to save her. Try to revive her no matter how obvious it was that she was dead.

The fact that C.W. would focus on killing Shanann instead of trying to save his children says everything.

That’s a devastating picture you just told us and my heart breaks for them. I agree. Anyone that truly loves a child would want to save them if possible. Not ever try to stop saving them.

 

[EmilyVan]

Given that he tried to blame this on Shannan, does anyone think he would take a plea deal?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he took the stand.

 

[pocketaccent]

Could he have set that up himself after killing SW by putting SW hands around the girls necks and take her hand and scrape their skin with her nails?

I highly doubt his brain is capable of executing such clever maneuver.

 

[BeachSky]

Absoutely, I would bet he is the verbal abuser, mind game player. Those type make sure you are NEVER living a stable existence. Every time you start feeling comfortable they make sure to knock you down and play mind games with you. That is their form of control, bringing you down mentally. IMHO those abusers are worse then the physical ones as bruises heal. Someone that plays with your mind and does everything they can to knock you down and lower your confidence and self esteem are truly evil. not saying physical abuse is a cake walk and not a manner of control because it is, but the mental abuser imho is a more dangerous predator because they are always thinking of ways to hurt you. They think and think on how best to bring you down and always feel they are smarter then everyone else. The guy who just can't control his rage and hits isn't doing a lot of thinking. He just acts out as he is triggered. The thinker plots and plans all the while the SOB is smiling at you.

A lesser narcissist can’t control their rages. Have zero empathy or guilt.
Feel entitled to cheat & lie. Think of their spouse & kids as merely appliances to give them adoration fuel. When they are done with you,
usually because they have found a new (fuel source)person. It’s over.
I speak from experience.

 

[whitelilac]

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I can't imagine a single juror on any jury believing this loathsome killer.

I can't either, this killer is beyond monstrous.

However, I'm always afraid of a slick defense lawyer concocting some outrageous story, and the one juror with no attention span, an inability to see past his/her nose, and the IQ of a log, falling for it.... (For example that Shannan went crazy due to some ghastly side effect from the Thrive thing combined with pregnancy and lupus, or what have you).

 

[Annlove]

My grandbabie's baby monitor is just a live stream.

I'm brand new... and I have a question. I was on Shannan's fb and I saw a screenshot (I think ) of a monitor on one of the kids at night,while she was asleep. I screen shotted it. Is that allowed to be posted? I need to read the rules. I'm hesitant also because it's so upsetting to even see at this point. The date was March 12th. It appears to look like night vision to me. I'm no expert tho. So upsetting.

 

[Hope4More]

I can’t imagine either, but OJ got off.

Apples & oranges, or even, apples and rutabagas, or maybe most apt, apples and fish tacos.

Jury nullification versus probable jury revulsion, just for starters.

 

[CJS4]

I think he strangled the girls with the pillowcases. Roll up the long way, put around neck and pull the ends tight. I think this is why they won’t find his DNA on their necks.

That is a possibility........ have to wait for the evidence and the corners report

 

[SuperTmo]

Can you imagine being the woman who was sleeping with him? Yikes.

OMG. No. Truth be told I would probably never date again for fear of inviting that person into my life and would be counting my lucky stars that he didn’t kill me too. I would be so upset at myself for not being able to recognize a monster right in front of me, and my ability to trust would be damaged.

 

[Tess Elizabeth]

He did not mention that he killed his 3rd child. So yes, he is perfectly capable of killing the other two.
I think his plan was like Scott Peterson’s ....convince everyone that his pregnant wife (& kids) went missing.
That didn’t work so now he has this (hero) story.
Disgusting.
JMO

Great point. He claims she killed the other two...and if that upset him so much, he would let her live, she would do time, he would raise the only child he had left. Oops. He must have not thought of the unborn child.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I am trying to imagine how hard this must be for all the family members involved. One day your life seems completely normal. Within the span of a week, there is this horrific brutal murder and your loved one's lives are splashed across media around the world.

It has got to be absolutely traumatizing. I feel for them tremendously. I can't even imagine. They are probably still in shock at this point. This man has caused pain that will last for decades.

 

[Seattle1]

I don’t ever remember him looking like a “fat guy” but I can see him wanting to start caring about his looks to attract someone else or to keep up with his wife.

Yes, they were both noticeably larger in their wedding photos, and IMO they were very good testimonials for marketing their product (not saying that product was responsible for their weight loss).

 

[Francesca]

I think he did. With her plane being late, why else would he have gone through with it? He didn’t HAVE to kill them that night. If he hadn’t already murdered his daughters thinking his wife would be home by 11, why wouldn’t he just put it off til he had more time. My opinion is that he’d started it, so it had to be finished.

Imagine if bad weather had grounded that plane for 24 hours - then he would have been stuck with two little "missing" girls while Shanann is still trying to get home... they would have had arrangements in place for the girls, so he would have really struggled to explain why they weren't at school/ daycare.
He must have been so stressed waiting for her to get home, knowing it was getting closer to daylight every minute, and he had so much to do before morning.

 

[Layla123]

IF she came through the door, kicked off her shoes, placed her purse on the island in the kitchen, headed for the stairs (leaving her suitcase at the bottom for Chris to carry up), proceeded to kiss the girls hello/goodnight (IF they were still alive), then she was accosted by Chris in the "loft" as she left their room...losing her phone in the scuffle on the couch(to be found by police later...thank God he didn't find it first)...she was probably strangled in that loft room (possibly AFTER telling her he wanted out). He grabbed a sheet to wrap her in from his bed.

IF the girls weren't already deceased, they may have awakened at the noise....too horrific to imagine...he would have silenced them at that time...

It would probably have all been over by 2:30 - 3:30 or so (depending on the length of their so-called emotional conversation and depending on what he did to the girls). I don't recall reading if the little girls beds were made...his were completely stripped. What did he do in the time that was left before 5:15? He had to back the truck up, carry three bodies down the stairs and out to the garage.

I guess the DEVIL is in the details. And, that night, he surely was.

This case has got to be one of the worst ones I've come across in a long time. May they rest in peace.

Wouldn’t she have screamed? Wouldn’t the neighbors have heard? Why didn’t the affidavit say Shannan’s COD was strangulation?

 

[Jacquie1]

Here is a chilling thought : When CW was describing how Bella was “sprawled out and blue” on the bed and Celeste was then being strangled by SW he was likely describing what actually happened only he was the one doing it.

My God, those poor children. They deserved so much better.

What’s the saying.....”All the best lies have elements of truth”

 

[Ronso]

Great point. He claims she killed the other two...and if that upset him so much, he would let her live, she would do time, he would raise the only child he had left. Oops. He must have not thought of the unborn child.

Nice catch.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

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