Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #7

[Jennifer17]

I also don't think there was much time of pre-meditation, I think that's why he changed the "emotional conversation" timeline to 4:00. Sadly, I think that may have been the actual time of death for all three, which will make it harder to disprove Cw's theory. I also think the neighbor that saw him BBQing is weird, unless he did that to throw the neighbor off. If you planned to kill your kids, why make them dinner first?

I think CW really messed up by showing no emotion at court. If your wife really killed your kids, how could it be possible to not fight back tears? It shows he really doesn't care that much.

I also wonder if CW could have gotten his girlfriend pregnant, just trying to figure out any possible motives.

The neighbour didn't see the children, so who knows if it was his dinner or their dinner he was making?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Exactly!
LE has access to your FB account, they can read everything your friends can read, so nothing you think is private or "friends only" is actually private and they also have access to your messages if need be. If you close your FB down it's still all recorded, everything you ever write is accessible by LE if they ask FB for it. I am talking YEARS here, since you opened your FB account--- not trying to create paranoia here, but it's true. I won't reveal how I know this but I will say I have seen that access.
I am sure he was corresponding with his mistress via social media and I would imagine that LE easily found it. They probably had her name before he confessed, wayyy before.

The Facebook was closed down a week before this happened. In my opinion, he did it not to hide from law enforcement, he took it down so that other people could not post on his Facebook or send him messages through it?

 

[Deleted member 117120]

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

Couple of thoughts when reading this affidavit:

1. The report states that an officer contacted CW for code to enter the house through the garage but CW said he was 5 minutes away so officer had to wait for CW to arrive to let him in. If I was worried about my wife and children are injured inside my home, I would beg the officer to break the door or window down rather then have to wait 5 more minutes until I arrived. It could have been life or death if they were in need of help.

2. A pair of woman's shoes were located near the front door and a suitcase at the bottom of the stairs leading upstairs bedrooms. To me that indicates SW wasn't ambushed at that point on initial entry into her home.

3. CW says they discussed a marital separation at 5 am. So if this was true and he stated he texted SW from work several times that day and she didn't respond and he thought that was odd. Why would he think that would be odd that his wife whom you just told only hours before that you wanted a marital separation from doesn't answer your calls or texts. It doesn't fit. He is trying to cover himself.

4. Why did CW put the latch on in the house at the front door? Did he not want anyone but himself to enter home before he would return to stage it? Or did SW do that the night before when she returned home as a routine occurrence?
I think that is the likely scenario and CW forgot to unlatch it in his rush to move the bodies.
Did NU-A have a key for the front door? She must have to have opened it and saw the latch inside preventing her from entering the home. Obviously the key was given to her by SW.

5. NU-A stated that she discovered SW's car and car seats in the car in the closed garage. Some on WS were wondering about the car and car seat discovery so it is confirmed that both the car and car seat were observed by NU-A.

6. It would be interesting to know if SW and CW always had their home windows closed and "locked" because it was noted by LE that all the windows were locked. Did they use an air conditioner or did they typically like having fresh air via a open window? I assume it was hot there in Colorado. I wonder if CW had the windows closed so neighbors could not hear anything going on inside the home that night and locked so no one could enter.

7. Further to the fitted bed sheet that was recovered at the burial site.
It states it matches the sheet set ~ "several pillow cases and top sheet recovered from kitchen trash can".
So basically what was in the oil field was the fitted portion of that actual sheet set in the garbage can. For women who make beds, we all know that fitted sheets go around the actual mattress and has elastic corners to hold the sheet in place around the mattress. I am thinking that it would be plausible that CW removed from the fitted sheet and gathered the fitted sheet around the victim (SW) and then moved the body in it. I am thinking that the "bedding laying on the floor" could have been duvets, bedspread, accent pillows etc and they could have easily been uncontaminated by a crime if CW removed, kicked off the bed prior or during the murder. This lends to the belief that SW went to bed alive and she or SW likely removed the coverings from the bed as most of us do which left the fitted sheet, top sheet and pillows remaining on the bed.
We know this fitted sheet refers to the master bedroom set because of the reference in affidavit that there were several pillow cases and a top sheet found in the kitchen garbage can that matched the fitted sheet found in the oil field. We know that only queen and king sheets sets typically have 4 pillow cases which is considered "several".
8. CW states in affidavit that he woke around 5 am. Later in the affidavit it states CW informed SW at around 4 am that he wanted to go through with the separation. So right there is a contradiction in times. How can CW awake at 5 am and tell SW at 4 am he wants a separation. He then apparently leaves at 5:27 am to go to work. If he woke at 5 am and leaves at 5:27 then it was a short conversation for an important subject.

9. Timings:
CW states to one officer that SW arrived home at 2 am then he states to another officer SW arrived at 1:48 am.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[Sleutherfly]

What do we make of the point the friends make that SW told her friend that CW had told SW he wanted to have a third baby and that SW was 100% on board?

If SW was telling the truth to her friend..... what to make of it?

In his college presentation, he said having a child can help fix a bad relationship. Maybe that was the thinking, which is crazy, babies do not fix a relationship. I think he changed his mind and that is why he wasn't so thrilled when she told him.

 

[molly1255]

You know what I did when I found my dead child in the room with my husband*? Although he'd clearly been dead for a while, I called 911 and started CPR and then left with the ambulance. I didn't strangle my husband and dump my child's body in our well. Although I was not in my right mind, either, I still behaved pretty much the way you are meant to. I realize that people react in diffetent ways during trauma but few desecrate the bodies after.

*FWIW, he went into cardiac arrest from an illness we didn't know he had and died in his sleep. My husband didn't kill him; he was asleep on the other side of the room.

I cannot even imagine. My sincerest condolences.

 

[tara joan]

Hopefully I haven’t ruffled too many feathers with my comments. I believe it is good to argue both sides, hence the name DAdvocate = Devils Advocate

i feel like the devil is doing just fine on his own :/

 

[Rayleengale]

New tweet/article about C.W.
Christopher Watts may have killed daughters before wife returned home | Daily Mail Online

 

[KALI]

Are you a member of the defence team

You are correct, he chose to do those things after SW killed them and CW killed her. Clearly not thinking clearly when entire world has just been turned upside down. Hence his reaction when hearing the charge in court about placing them in the tanks. Also, when describing the girls on video in one interview, for a split second he nearly broke down describing the one like him. A split second. Take another look.

 

[Allabouttrial]

In his college presentation, he said having a child can help fix a bad relationship. Maybe that was the thinking, which is crazy, babies do not fix a relationship. I think he changed his mind and that is why he wasn't so thrilled when she told him.

Right? I did a double take on that one. As you say it's the complete opposite.

 

[Sabrina1011]

Maybe Dadvocate is someone's Dad?

And maybe I am someone’s Mom.... but I am not and I agree with Dadvocate.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It makes sense for him to go into a rage when he saw her killing the children. No one knows how we would react in that situation, we can speculate, but not know precisely.

His reaction was rage, likely not even remembering his wife was pregnant. Afterwards he had the choice of calling the police or doing something else. In that situation, he very quickly realized that everyone was strangled and he was the only one alive, he would of course be blamed.

The entire removal of bodies was quick because none of this was planned. Any chance of freedom, he had to put on a show, but it was extremely difficult knowing the the events that had occurred in his house. He was scared and didn’t want to stay in that house again knowing what had occurred in there.

None of this was planned. He is in shock.

:floorlaugh:

Yep, that explanation I am sure is just a sarcastic scenario, and it is unbelievable if ever put forth by the defense. Thanks for stating it so we can see how ludicrous it it looks.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

New tweet/article about C.W.
Christopher Watts may have killed daughters before wife returned home | Daily Mail Online

Well if that's true, and can be proven, then there goes CW entire defense.

That article says detectives believe they were killed between 8/12 and 8/13. When was the last confirmed sighting of the children by someone else?

 

[DAdvocate]

New tweet/article about C.W.
Christopher Watts may have killed daughters before wife returned home | Daily Mail Online

The timeline of their deaths I believe will be a huge part of whether a jury I finds him guilty or innocent.

 

[Allabouttrial]

New tweet/article about C.W.
Christopher Watts may have killed daughters before wife returned home | Daily Mail Online

Thanks. I'm thinking maybe LE were hedging their bets with the dates

 

[Sleutherfly]

The neighbour didn't see the children, so who knows if it was his dinner or their dinner he was making?

I did think this too but BBQing seems odd if your cooking for just yourself but maybe that's something he normally does. I'm hoping the children's stomach contents help nail down a somewhat accurate time of death.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

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this might have already been mentioned also but if the dogs hit in the house then that would definitely mean someone was killed there. I'm leaning towards thinking he for sure killed the girls there, maybe he somehow tied shanann up and (ugh) strangled his daughters, put all three in the car, and killed her at the oil field? kind of like to torture her even more... 'look what you made me do?'

I don't think he tied Shanann up and put her in the car alive and killed in oil field. Too risky for him to do. SW was killed inside their home as was their daughters IMO.

 

[Jennifer17]

I did think this too but BBQing seems odd if your cooking for just yourself but maybe that's something he normally does. I'm hoping the children's stomach contents help nail down a somewhat accurate time of death.

My neighbour grills for himself nearly every evening.

 

[osuprincss]

Borderline personality disorder. Sorry didn't read that he had been diagnosed with that?

It’s been speculated by some forensic psychologists and a masters professor of psychology at a Colorado University. He exhibits a lot of traits of a sociopath or psychopath.

 

[DAdvocate]

It’s been speculated by some forensic psychologists and a masters professor of psychology at a Colorado University. He exhibits a lot of traits of a sociopath or psychopath.

Or someone in complete shock over what has happened.

 

[Jennifer17]

Or someone in complete shock over what has happen.

He gave no indication of shock when he was lying and giggling the next day.