GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

[BabyButterfly]

They are going to be so jealous that the SW parents are going on 20/20. Maybe they'll try to get a gig on a show more oriented towards ppl like them, so they can reiterate that it was all the fault of the woman who was murdered. And that he played sports from 5 to 17 years old.

Jerry Springer, maybe?

 

[BeckyF]

Their income tax return alone (I assume they filed jointly, not seperately) would not show their disposable income. The tax forms, eg 1040 or schedule C, etc, are only used to calculate how much income tax they owe to IRS after subtracting all exemptions, deductions, credits, taxes already withheld, etc. So although it will show their actual gross income for sure, its net income does not equal their disposable income at all.

What I would like to see is their bank statements. At least three consecutive months beginning May 2018. These will show both of their actual paychecks amount and the amount Shanann paid in her quarterly estimated tax to IRS.

I personally believe her 'net/disposable' income was very small. Her gross $65-70,000 per year most likely included the total value of trips, Lexus payment, and commissions, leaving only small disposable income for her to live on.

CW definitely had to pay child support and most likely alimony, in divorce. This is why he opted to kill her instead. IMO

I'm curious why you'd like to see their bank statements. Just wondering. Thanks.

 

[gitana1]

I agree. I am not defending CW at all, but as a father who was paying over $2000 a month in child support for two children up until just this spring, when my oldest graduated from high school and my support for that child ended (though I am still contributing $15k a year to college for her), it is a huge drain on finances, especially when trying to raise a second family like I have with my second wife. It has been very hard on my second wife too, because it hurts our kids together, losing all that money. The percentages paid by state statute were ridiculous compared with what I would actually have spent on those kids if they still lived with me full time. My attorneys said as much. I also spent tens of thousands to my attorneys as my first wife and I kept ending up in court over and over again over issues involving the children. Thankfully, my second wife and I now live a lifestyle that would be considered upper middle class, and we have always been able to provide for all our children, but it was very hard for many years. It is still hard to think about how much better we would be financially if that support was not there. But, the end is in sight, and I remind myself that I supported my children as the law required.

Thankfully, my state finally got on board with most other states and started considering both parents’ incomes in calculating support, so my amount for the remaining child is now lower than it was under the old statutes. I only have a year and a half of support left after paying for 14.5 years. I want to support my kids, no doubt about it, and I always have, but I do not like the family court system, because it punishes loving fathers too harshly. It is horrible when some fathers decide to annihilate their families just to avoid this hardship. This might be a controversial statement, but the court system has to the take some of the responsibility for this. No offense to any of our attorneys here. I can honestly say, though, I never once had any thoughts of hurting my children or my first wife in any way, and especially not to escape paying support. This case is devastating beyond belief. CW is a monster.

No father ever decides to annihilate his family just to avoid such hardship, IMO. It's usually a combination of factors plus an incredible defect of character and the mind.

When it's financial often the annihilator dads kill themselves too. But if it is just to avoid support, crazy dads may just kill the wife.

Typically, however, there's more than just one issue. It's usually loss of control and/or an affair and/or failures or lies that might come to light and/or an unwanted pregnancy, etc.

The family court system is not responsible for the family annihilator phenomena.

 

[NuttMegg]

That must be so eerie, to come forward with video in a missing person's case, and have the actual killer standing in your living room, watching it with you. ugh

At least these ppl who did come forward don't have to track CW parole hearings for the rest of their lives.

 

[Gardenista]

OFFICER DROPS OFF EVIDENCE FROM SHANANN'S GRAVE AND PLACES IN DRYING LOCKER

 

[katydid23]

There does not appear to be any video showing Chris “loading the bodies” into his truck. I know he did, but unsure why LE/DA made it out like you could LITERALLY see Chris do that.

It doesn't really matter. It is obvious that he was the one that placed them in the tanks. How else did he get them there?

 

[Mitch11]

Yes and did all the mothering too. What a saint!

Goes to show how low their bar is for fatherhood. A man who looks after his kids and contributes to the cooking and cleaning, deserves to annihilate his wife and kids.

They really are twisted

 

[NanZDrew]

Hi everyone! I've been reading, but haven't post

Hi everyone! I've been reading, but haven't posted until now. First of all, like all of you, I'm horrified at what that monster did to his family. I get that spouses murder spouses which is bad enough, but to kill your babies with your bare hands and dump their little bodies into dirty, stinky, nasty, toxic crude oil tanks? We treat our household trash with more respect. I don't have the words.

But you people do. I admire your collective intelligence and analytical skills in examining the evil acts that man performed.

I have a tiny tidbit to contribute although at this point it's meaningless.

Remember a while back the discussion over the 401k loan? Some said SW obtained the loan, while others maintained only CW could obtain it, as the account was in his name through his employer.

Well. Turns out I actually have an Anadarko 401k, so today I called and asked about the process of getting a loan against an Anadarko 401k account. Obviously it must be initiated by the employee, but it can all be done online. No actual papers to sign, no involvement with Human Resources. Just get on your computer and access the account online, tap some keys, and you're done.

It seems logical to me that Shanann, who to my understanding handled the family finances, would have his login info and could have easily accessed his account and set up the loan.

That's all I have.

I'm retired after a 30+ year career in the oil and gas industry in Denver. I was an office worker but training over the years included rides in crude oil trucks to see how crude oil was gathered from wells and transported to refineries, and refinery tours. Well sites and tank batteries are dirty and noisy and they stink. To dump bodies into that environment is, to me, an act of disrespect or hatred or indifference or a combination somehow. I just can't imagine.

A former employer of mine was bought out by Anadarko who acquired their retirement accounts. That's how I ended up with an Anadarko 401k. I still know a couple former coworkers who are still with the company, but not well enough to get any insider info. I will say, though, that NK's claim (or wishful thinking) that no one in the office knew of her adulterous affair, is bull****. If only one person saw them talking together more physically close than is normal for coworkers, well, that is juicy gossip and in every oil company I ever worked for, it would have spread faster than the speed of light.

ed until nowI

Hi everyone! I've been reading, but haven't posted until now. First of all, like all of you, I'm horrified at what that monster did to his family. I get that spouses murder spouses which is bad enough, but to kill your babies with your bare hands and dump their little bodies into dirty, stinky, nasty, toxic crude oil tanks? We treat our household trash with more respect. I don't have the words.

But you people do. I admire your collective intelligence and analytical skills in examining the evil acts that man performed.

I have a tiny tidbit to contribute although at this point it's meaningless.

Remember a while back the discussion over the 401k loan? Some said SW obtained the loan, while others maintained only CW could obtain it, as the account was in his name through his employer.

Well. Turns out I actually have an Anadarko 401k, so today I called and asked about the process of getting a loan against an Anadarko 401k account. Obviously it must be initiated by the employee, but it can all be done online. No actual papers to sign, no involvement with Human Resources. Just get on your computer and access the account online, tap some keys, and you're done.

It seems logical to me that Shanann, who to my understanding handled the family finances, would have his login info and could have easily accessed his account and set up the loan.

That's all I have.

I'm retired after a 30+ year career in the oil and gas industry in Denver. I was an office worker but training over the years included rides in crude oil trucks to see how crude oil was gathered from wells and transported to refineries, and refinery tours. Well sites and tank batteries are dirty and noisy and they stink. To dump bodies into that environment is, to me, an act of disrespect or hatred or indifference or a combination somehow. I just can't imagine.

A former employer of mine was bought out by Anadarko who acquired their retirement accounts. That's how I ended up with an Anadarko 401k. I still know a couple former coworkers who are still with the company, but not well enough to get any insider info. I will say, though, that NK's claim (or wishful thinking) that no one in the office knew of her adulterous affair, is bull****. If only one person saw them talking together more physically close than is normal for coworkers, well, that is juicy gossip and in every oil company I ever worked for, it would have spread faster than the speed of light.

I was under the impression that they withdrew the money rather than a loan against the 401K. Of course this is coming from CW to NK, and he may not have even understood the difference between the two. With a loan, the money is still there. With a withdrawal it is gone and subject to tax laws and penalties. If their finances were dire, they may have already taken out a loan. One company that I worked for would only allow one or two loans and then you couldn't get one until those were paid. Can you check the process for actually withdrawing money from the 401K?

 

[gitana1]

They are going to be so jealous that the SW parents are going on 20/20. Maybe they'll try to get a gig on a show more oriented towards ppl like them, so they can reiterate that it was all the fault of the woman who was murdered. And that he played sports from 5 to 17 years old.

Yes! They are. They seem well aware and resentful that the Rzuceks were seen as victims by everyone, especially the DA and the court system in general, while they had to fight for that legal status.

They want to be "united in grief" with the Rzuceks so they can get the sympathy.

If they hadn't been such predictably horrible people, spreading lies and dostortions and publicly trashing and denouncing their daughter in law, they would've had a lot of sympathy. They would've had it from me for sure.

 

[MollyDDD]

Wow. That is very damning.
The neighbor saying "he's not acting right" and he mimics the nervous swaying. Then he says he overheard them fighting and that CW "gets crazy" and yells "at the top of his lungs". He says he thought SW went on vacation with the kids because of the fighting.

Poor Shanann. She didn't deserve all this, especially while pregnant. And no wonder the girls were distant with him in NC. The last time they saw him, he was probably screaming at SW. Of course they would be afraid of him. Definitely shows how things built up to him doing this, in addition to his affair with NK.

Ugh. Did you notice the TV screen when it showed a quick picture of the unborn baby and CW suddenly says “you know she’s (Shanann) is p

And the way he was looking at NUA!
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Ugh, she knew he was up to something. Thankfully Shanann made sure her friends were aware and they came through for her. Geez, so many lives are forever affected by this one #$@!# selfishness.

 

[MollyDDD]

And the way he was looking at NUA!
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If looks could kill! That is one brave and loving friend.
I sure she’s suffered many sleepless nights too.

 

[pocketaccent]

I'm curious why you'd like to see their bank statements. Just wondering. Thanks.

To look into their financial situation and to see if CW had a secondary motive for killing Shanann, in addition to NK.

 

[hylianquinn]

My apologies if this has already been shared, but here is a link to a scribd upload of discovery documents. (Way easier to navigate on my iPhone)
Christopher Watts discovery file | Garage (Residential) | Bathroom

 

[Jupiter05]

He about messed his pants when the dogs were searching the house too.

I am sure by the time he was deposited at the Weld County Jail he smelled pretty rank....in the same clothes for a few days. Sweating and the other unmentionables.

 

[NanZDrew]

It doesn't really matter. It is obvious that he was the one that placed them in the tanks. How else did he get them there?

He said he put them in the back seat, but I don't believe that. That just sounded nicer. He backed the truck part of the way into the garage. I think he lowered the tailgate, and sled them into the bed of the truck. You wouldn't be able to see that occurring because he would be doing it inside the garage. Really don't think he would put urine soaked bodies in his cab. They girls were in trash bags so if he were stopped he could have said that he was hauling trash from the jobsite to the dumpster. Most likely he put SW in first and put the trash bags containing the girls on top of her. Then loaded some gas in and some tools. If he got stopped by the cops for something, this would not seem suspect. Dead bodies in the cab would get the cops attention.

 

[tmar]

Wow, so RW made it up that CW told him that. When did CW say that in the interview room? Or was the trip from the airport completely misrepresented and CW at that time discussed with RW killing SW and where he buried all of them. That would make sense given the near complete lack of emotion shown by RW in the interview room when they were alone, and who immediately started prompting CW...strangle...smother... And it would explain why, when RW came into the interview room, one of the first things said by CW was "I don't want to protect her, I don't want to protect her" (paraphrased). I have been thinking that the "protect her" concept was helicoptered in, connected to nothing. RW just repeated it. I think RW had cameras/microphones in mind. I lean towards a completely different conversation in the car than has been represented to us. (by Cindy, for one)

Also, CW had asked his father, if his father, had told his mother.
So what did CW tell his father on ride from airport.?????
I would think, that CW stated he killed them all.

THEN at next interview, the suggestion was put by LE, having CW now state he killed Shan'ann because she killed the kids.
RW was well aware, after ride from airport, from the way, he presented at interviews.
He was not shocked by any news.
MOO.

 

[stg]

No father ever decides to annihilate his family just to avoid such hardship, IMO. It's usually a combination of factors plus an incredible defect of character and the mind.

When it's financial often the annihilator dads kill themselves too. But if it is just to avoid support, crazy dads may just kill the wife.

Typically, however, there's more than just one issue. It's usually loss of control and/or an affair and/or failures or lies that might come to light and/or an unwanted pregnancy, etc.

The family court system is not responsible for the family annihilator phenomena.

Thanks for your insights, and in this case, you are right, if finances were a motive, which have not been proven, it seems wanting to start fresh with the other woman was a motive too. Finances have been a motive in some familial killings though, haven’t they?

I am just still not a fan of the family court system, having been locked in it for as long as I have. It is my least favorite place to be on the face of this earth, because it so adversarial and sad. I cannot wait until it is over. I completely respect the attorneys and judges, had both in my family lineage, but the money I have had to spend to stay a father to those two kids is just ridiculous. It cost me over $3000 just to cease the child support for my eldest child this spring and determine my college contribution. At least I have usually won in court when I was respondant, so my rights were protected. I know you are an attorney, and probably have a different view than I, but those are my views as a father after a divorce. Still not defending CW in any form or fashion.

 

[PommyMommy]

I swear to God, if NUA had gone inside with SW that night, she'd be dead too. JMOO. But tell me I'm wrong...

You're not wrong. He looked LIVID. He told her NOT to call the police! MOO

 

[Bothsides]

When will 20/20 air?

 

[NuttMegg]

Also, CW had asked his father, if his father, had told his mother.
So what did CW tell his father on ride from airport.?????
I would think, that CW stated he killed them all.

THEN at next interview, the suggestion was put by LE, having CW now state he killed Shan'ann because she killed the kids.
RW was well aware, after ride from airport, from the way, he presented at interviews.
He was not shocked by any news.
MOO.

Agreed. Ronnie, as he met with CW in the interview room was basically tying up the package so that CW would be more coherent. It seemed as though Ronnie was asking which details CW had decided on. RW even seemed to be bypassing CW in subsequently talking to the agents, ie speaking for CW.