GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #67

[cybervampira]

I agree, however I don't know how much of this really comes from CW, or instead from Cindy and daughter, how they (and MRS) want him to be portrayed.

Could also come from the attorney who allegedly told Trent Bolte that CW will put him on the visitor‘s list.

(Just kidding!).

 

[NuttMegg]

After the MRS split, I see that the one that stayed with murder rap sesh hosts a bunch of snarky people (IMO) who can't wait to diss SW (although passive aggressively). (The one we were talking about, ie session 17 above.) Now J4justice (the other half of the ex duo) put out a live Q/A session and I have to say that she has put together a group of well-spoken professional women on the show, from various corners of the world, and they go into a lot of the things we have questioned here but with no ragging on SW. J4 is doing a decent job in this respect, IMO. She is moderating it so that no one speaks over the other, each person has time to fully express their POV. Until about an hour in that flake onely or wonly, whatever his name is comes on. Then I'll turn it off no matter who else is participating.

 

[book-thinker]

After the MRS split, I see that the one that stayed with murder rap sesh hosts a bunch of snarky people (IMO) who can't wait to diss SW (although passive aggressively). (The one we were talking about, ie session 17 above.) Now J4justice (the other half of the ex duo) put out a live Q/A session and I have to say that she has put together a group of well-spoken professional women on the show, from various corners of the world, and they go into a lot of the things we have questioned here but with no ragging on SW. J4 is doing a decent job in this respect, IMO. She is moderating it so that no one speaks over the other, each person has time to fully express their POV. Until about an hour in that flake onely or wonly, whatever his name is comes on. Then I'll turn it off no matter who else is participating.

I listened to the MRS debut show, announcing a special surprise at the end of the show (persuading viewer by dangling the carrot), it switches gears with a twenty minute discussion, with a detailed timeline, how the former co-host betrayed her.
The forty minute discussion about CW and SW, with the special surprise, a statement expressing he is sad beyond
belief , this is a destroyed and devastated person, he knows about SM, and appreciates the support of the corners of people,
how he wants a picture of the girls and reading daily to them, the need to embrace the christen faith.

I have given my opinion on the last forty minutes of the podcast.
Such a bias opinion from this podcast. I'm disappointed with MRS and unlikely to listen again.

 

[kiwilaura]

If he wanted to read to his babies, he could have started by not $*@!#%& killing them.

 

[book-thinker]

I doubt he’s even so much as called his mother once since his sentencing. This all reeks of Cindy.

Manipulation at it best! I imagine Cindy believes she can seek a appellate lawyer. Pleading with the lawyer CW received ineffective legal representation and grounds for challenging the conviction.

 

[kaykay543]

She knew by ALL the info on FB (discussed here in detail), other social media, by what CW told her, probably from co-workers, etc. How could she not know?

IMO she didn't know. I only say this because in CW's first porch interviews he is desperately trying NOT to say anything about SW being pregnant. Most people would be screaming from the rooftops my PREGNANT wife is missing! He knows NK is going to see these interviews so hes trying not to say it.

I do think the pregnancy was the catalyst for the murders. I think originally he thought no way would she get pregnant without fertility treatments. You can see this in the pregnancy video when he says "I guess when YOU want it to happen it does" and shakes his head.

Now if his girlfriend finds out then she knows he was having sex with both of them. And that he was of course lying to her and SW. And it makes a divorce much more difficult and costly. And it make him look much worse to leave a pregnant wife for a girlfriend. We all know how he wants everyone to know what a "good guy" he is.

One of the leading causes of murdered women in the US is being pregnant. So sad.

FOund it. OMG. What she said about her podcast - "It should be fun!". So the murder of a woman and her 3 children should be fun and entertain us? "He's devastated beyond belief". Just, no words.

Just an FYI every time someone clicks their youtube videos they get paid.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Sickening they are being paid off of the barbarity of CW

 

[NuttMegg]

Just an FYI every time someone clicks their youtube videos they get paid.

It's quite a ways until they get monetized, they have to have over 1000 subscribers and 4000 viewing hours (per youtube rules I just looked up). Which is why most of the channels constantly beg for subscribers. If you subscribe, I think they can send out auto emails soliciting even more participation. Not sure how they count the viewing hours, seems like that could be manipulated. Anyway, just don't subscribe or "like" (thumbs up) and you won't help them much.

Some sites are great for my hobbies, and a few are interesting re the Watts case.

 

[kaykay543]

It's quite a ways until they get monetized, they have to have over 1000 subscribers and 4000 viewing hours (per youtube rules I just looked up). Which is why most of the channels constantly beg for subscribers. If you subscribe, I think they can send out auto emails soliciting even more participation. Not sure how they count the viewing hours, seems like that could be manipulated. Anyway, just don't subscribe or "like" (thumbs up) and you won't help them much.

Some sites are great for my hobbies, and a few are interesting re the Watts case.

Unfortunately I don't think it will take them long to get there. By clicking and watching it adds to their viewing hours. They have only had this new channel a week. I suspect she has another channel under a different name too (from what I have seen.) I have several youtube channels--they take the totals of all your pages.

If you look at her ex partner she is already over the requirements. (10,552 subscribers) I wouldn't add one penny to either of them. They both make me sick. I am in no way against making a living but these 2 go way over the line imo.

I do get why someone would want to watch. So just putting this out there for the ones that maybe didn't realize how that all works

 

[riolove77]

FWIW, I suspect that deep down inside Cindy, knows darned well that her son murdered Shanann, Bella, CeCe and Nico, in cold blood. I also suspect she's very well aware that there was absolutely ZERO justification for him to do so. She's never going to admit it though, as she also exhibits some of the traits of her son - for starters, complete self-absorption, and inability to feel any sadness for these four innocent souls. She has to be "right", and anyone who challenges that will feel her wrath. (Which is why poor Shanann had such a hard time with her - Shanann dared to stand up to her.) Nevertheless, Shannon, due to her decency and care for all involved, still tried hard to make things workable. RIP beautiful souls.

I completely agree. She knows. They all do.

 

[castilloisno1]

Chris Watts’ Frederick home to be auctioned off

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Manipulator and catalist are two words that I saw mentioned and something that I viewed and it portrayed a hypothetical situation where Chris Watts had assistance, if you want to call it, in this Horror. What struck me was the use of these words and I thought that's exactly what I think did contribute to these murders with somebody who may have played the role of a catalyst, and manipulated him as well, to go forward with his sick plan to restart his life, which I hate to even call it !!. I want to refer to it as selfish/narcissistic time he invited the devil into his playground of a psychotic mind!!!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

If he wanted to read to his babies, he could have started by not $*@!#%& killing them.

And I wonder if he mentions reading to them because NK was so impressed that the girls had books in their playroom and in his sick mind he's showing her that he's reading to them , you're right he should have thought of his babies and reading to them Above All Else and before he annihilated his family!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Manipulator and catalist are two words that I saw mentioned and something that I viewed and it portrayed a hypothetical situation where Chris Watts had assistance, if you want to call it, in this Horror. What struck me was the use of these words and I thought that's exactly what I think did contribute to these murders with somebody who may have played the role of a catalyst, and manipulated him as well, to go forward with his sick plan to restart his life, which I hate to even call it !!. I want to refer to it as selfish/narcissistic time he invited the devil into his playground of a psychotic mind!!!

He's too dumb to think for himself and always needed somebody to tell him what to do and that's the proof that there was somebody manipulating him and directing him what to do with his life and that's why he always came across as a nice guy, Shanann brought out the best from this , and then all of a sudden everything changed cuz he had somebody else directing this puppet of a human being if you want to call him that! In a Nutshell!!!

 

[kiwilaura]

In all honestly, I think the whole thing is made up. I highly doubt he has called his mother, and I highly doubt that anyone is reporting back to mom that he is reading to his babies. It's all BS designed to build sympathy.

 

[gregjrichards]

Potential home buyers in Frederick, Colorado will be able to get a home valued at $550,000 for a steal this coming April, there is just one catch.

The home where Chris Watts murdered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, and their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, has gone into foreclosure.

Watts was notified of this development in a letter sent last month by the Weld County Public Trustee.

Other documents obtained by DailyMail.com show that Watts purchased the home in May 2013 for $392,709 but almost six years later still had an outstanding principal balance of $349,938.09.

Colorado murder house where Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife and two daughters up for auction | Daily Mail Online

It will be interesting to see what it sells for. If I was a parent I don’t think I could raise my kids in this house.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO she didn't know. I only say this because in CW's first porch interviews he is desperately trying NOT to say anything about SW being pregnant. Most people would be screaming from the rooftops my PREGNANT wife is missing! He knows NK is going to see these interviews so hes trying not to say it.

I think if she knew, she would have told her friend. She told her everything else.

I do think the pregnancy was the catalyst for the murders. I think originally he thought no way would she get pregnant without fertility treatments. You can see this in the pregnancy video when he says "I guess when YOU want it to happen it does" and shakes his head.

Now if his girlfriend finds out then she knows he was having sex with both of them. And that he was of course lying to her and SW. And it makes a divorce much more difficult and costly. And it make him look much worse to leave a pregnant wife for a girlfriend. We all know how he wants everyone to know what a "good guy" he is.

One of the leading causes of murdered women in the US is being pregnant. So sad.

Sadly yes. In many respects this case is more obvious and mundane than people care to admit.

Just an FYI every time someone clicks their youtube videos they get paid.

Almost all these channels are blaggers.

I loved Juror 13 back in the day because she posted very detailed blog coverage of each trial day

Lots of these others are just wild speculation or conspiracists/spammers like van der Leek, cutting and pasting stuff they stole from elsewhere along with "scientific analysis"

 

[Thepoet]

Since there has been no news regarding CW in prison, I guess he's adjusting, with few problems.

Do you think he's slothful and becoming out of shape?

Do you think he's comfortable or lives in a state of worry or fear?

Do you think that he has thoughts and/or regrets about his murdered family? What thoughts and/or regrets?

Do you think he has thoughts about NK? What thoughts?

Does CW thinks about; "would of, should of, could of?"

Do you think CW is happy in prison?

I believe CW is gaining weight, seldom working out, and cares little about his appearance. I also believe he is comfortable most of the time, though there are probably threats and bullying. He finds some happiness, no doubt, in the structure of prison and having others make his decisions. I doubt he thinks about his family at all, unless it's thoughts of what he could have done different to have kept from being caught. I have no doubt he plays the "blame game" in his mind. The sheer monstrosity of all he did, from the murders to what he did with the bodies, leads me to believe he is incapable of sadness, regret, or any type of mourning. That's all pure PR and BS. He murdered his loving, trusting, vulnerable daughters with his bare hands! So, he doesn't read to them, talk to them, care about them. He's incapable!

I do believe he thinks about NK, and what he sees as the heroic acts and sacrifices he performed for her. In his sick, twisted, evil mind, he is a Sir Galahad! He's not, of course, he's . . . . . . . we all know what he really is!

I'd like to let this horrible case go, but I keep coming back to it. I guess because the victims were so good and special and the murders so hard to understand. Like so many here, I keep wondering; WHY?

 

[NuttMegg]

I do believe he thinks about NK, and what he sees as the heroic acts and sacrifices he performed for her. In his sick, twisted, evil mind, he is a Sir Galahad! He's not, of course, he's . . . . . . . we all know what he really is!

Ha ha I wonder if he is so out of it that he thinks NK will stay devoted to him. Just wait until she hooks up publicly with some guy.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think if she knew, she would have told her friend. She told her everything else.



Sadly yes. In many respects this case is more obvious and mundane than people care to admit.



Almost all these channels are blaggers.

I loved Juror 13 back in the day because she posted very detailed blog coverage of each trial day

Lots of these others are just wild speculation or conspiracists/spammers like van der Leek, cutting and pasting stuff they stole from elsewhere along with "scientific analysis"

Well, one less to peruse (Murder Rap Sesh, which last week just posted those 16 old sessions, where it looks like the ownership was contested).
"This account has been terminated because we received multiple third-party claims of copyright infringement regarding material the user posted."