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This post is about BM and BM only. On Saturday May 9 did SM start to wash sheets and see something she wasn't expecting? JMO.
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Been married 40+ years, 3 daughters, never ever has my hubby "clipped" me. Talks with his hands a mile a minute. No pass for BM in my opinion. True accidents don't get recalled, guilty situations do. mooAs described by BM it was an accident. He talks with his hands so I do happen to believe him.
@clearskies1 bbm More clues please?This post is about BM and BM only. On Saturday May 9 did SM start to wash sheets and see something she wasn't expecting? JMO.
And the pillow was in the waste basket atop the document/mail - thinking that means it was in an envelope.Yes - I recall that JP confirmed with LS that it was one piece of property insurance mail that he found in the hotel waste basket (although the preliminary cites he found the document under a pillow).
Maybe.MOO. Clipping happens when swinging hands around fast and a hand lands a glancing blow. As an accident between less than amicable spouses, it means "I am not being careful of you."
Okay. Either that or he's a liar who's on trial for murdering his wife.As described by BM it was an accident. He talks with his hands so I do happen to believe him.
I am disturbed by any parsing of potential domestic violence.
Either it was or it wasn't. Either we know or we don't.
My comments are not directed at this specific post but to all posts that want to try to explain this particular evidence that we know so little about.
Because there are DV survivors in this forum, I find it disturbing to either discount or classify behavior not defined by the prosecutor as DV either way.
We have Barry's statement and we know his character. That is all we have, right?
Please correct me if I am wrong about the facts. All the rest is MOO.
Excellent post @MassGuy.
As you may recall, in Colorado, domestic violence is not a standalone crime.
Colorado defines domestic violence as an act of violence or threat of violence against a person with whom the aggressor has or had an intimate relationship.
Domestic violence also includes any other crime or municipal ordinance violation committed against a third party or against property for the purpose of coercion, control, punishment, intimidation, or revenge directed at a person with whom the aggressor has or had an intimate relationship.
For example, an aggressor who vandalizes an ex-spouse's car with the purpose of intimidating the ex-spouse is guilty of a crime involving domestic violence.
In order for the offense to be considered a crime involving domestic violence, the parties must be in or have been in an intimate relationship. "Intimate relationship" means a relationship between one of the following groups:
(Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-6-800.3.)
- current or former spouses
- current or former unmarried couples, and
- parents of the same child, regardless of whether the parents were ever married or resided together.
Colorado Domestic Violence Laws
Thanks, @marylamby! That's a new one on me: BM throwing away a pillow in his hotel room.And the pillow was in the waste basket atop the document/mail - thinking that means it was in an envelope.
I still wonder if it was a hotel pillow or one from home.Thanks, @marylamby! That's a new one on me: BM throwing away a pillow in his hotel room.
If I had to guess, I would think that a pillow from their home would have been disposed of during one of his many trash runs.I still wonder if it was a hotel pillow or one from home.
I still wonder if it was a hotel pillow or one from home.
Thinking about those stops in Broomfield...one stop was at a "hotel" where Barry claimed he was waiting for someone to let him in so he could get a free breakfast? That one is interesting for a couple of reasons...first, there should be cameras at that hotel, which I would like to know which one it is...it obviously wasn't HIE. Second, breakfast normally ends at a set time, like 9am or something...so what time was Barry at that hotel? There are a lack of videos while Barry was making these stops...but that "hotel" stuck with me because it wasn't identified. And it was reported that he stopped at Mickey Ds but didn't eat there.
Thanks! Doing a little research, I have found that they are allowed in civil cases as usually there is a compensatory 'award' for the winning party.Bringing this over from previous thread, post 669 by @Nikynoo
@Nikynoo sbm for focus on only part of your post.
Atty Fees? No Win, No Fee?
Per my read of Colorado Rules of Professional Conduct,* Not permitted, not like civil cases.
Rule 1.5. Fees ….
“(c) A ‘contingent fee’ is a fee for legal services under which compensation is to be contingent in whole or in part upon the successful accomplishment or disposition of the subject matter of the representation.”
“(4) No contingent fee agreement may be made (i) for representing a defendant in a criminal case,…"
Why not permissible?**
my2ct. As always, welcoming comment, correction, esp'ly from our legal professionals.
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*https://www.coloradosupremecourt.com/Current%20Lawyers/FlatFeeAgreement.asp
Click on “contingent fee arrangements” link to pdf. Rule1.5, eff. Jan 1, 2021
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Rule_Changes/2020/Rule%20Change%202020(30).pdf
This ^ CO Rule tracks American Bar Association Model Rules of Professional Conduct** eff. 2020.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_5_fees/
** An explanation about why state prohibits contingency fees in criminal cases. Private NC law firm website.
Why Don't Criminal Defense Lawyers Work On Contingency? | Speaks
This post is about BM and BM only. On Saturday May 9 did SM start to wash sheets and see something she wasn't expecting? JMO.
I understand where @RIPRM is coming from. Many people don’t “recognize” domestic violence unless it’s proven with “Nicole Brown Simpson” photos w/black, swollen eyes & lots of bruises. Imo, that’s one of the reasons it continues to be tolerated, lack of awareness of what DV entails. The day to day “subtle” abuses are overlooked or explained away as “all couples have problems or differences.” I think it’s a pretty common problem. Unless the Prosecution starts out with an expert to educate the jury, in my opinion, I’m not sure the domestic violence claims will be fully understood by the jury. MOOI mean, I think murder is a pretty good example.
She told him she wanted a divorce, and he threatened suicide. That is not in dispute.
Suzanne told Sheila that Barry had threatened suicide on another occasion, going as far as to point a gun to his head.
Normal well adjusted men, do not threaten to kill themselves to keep their partner in a relationship. I can’t tell you how many cases I’ve followed where a spousal killer has threatened suicide before ultimately resorting to murder.
It’s about control through manipulation.
I’m curious as to why you are so fixated on this, as how would previous physical examples matter here?
The psychological stuff tells you as much as the physical.
I’m not seeing the connection other than the sheets were in the dryer with shorts BM wore on Saturday according to the Prosecution. I think SM had washed MM1’s sheets (checked off SM’s to-do-list) and had put them in the dryer, then BM washed his shorts & threw them in the dryer without removing the sheets. I don’t think the sheets are of any evidentiary value since they were found in the home and apparently no biological evidence was found on them. MooI thought the sheets were from her daughters bed - so why/how would this relate to BM?