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On day 37. This stalker doesnt sound like a kid down the street or he would have been caught. This guy is much more professional to evade so many people.
 
it wasn't a bird who broke the wildlife cam after the camera snapped a picture of him. Morgan's jewelry (all of it) was missing, the K guy (suspect stalker) sold a bunch of jewelry the day after Morgan's murder. Police still have not allowed the family to look at the list or photo's of that jewelry he sold. Read that on the blog. (click home) it should be there.
 
Motion lights will go off with animal movement.
Image on cam could have been curious neighbor.
Cam wouldnt have been smashed tho.
Footprints of someone being by the windows.
If hiding place was the roof they would have had to been able to get around the whole house without being detected since some of the tapping was done in other parts of the house besides Laurens room.
This stalker probably was inside the house maybe several times. Was the house ever checked to see if it were bugged or a hidden cam somewhere?
Just some brief thoughts.

Are their details about the day of her death somewhere because I didnt see it on the blog?
 
Lera213 said:
it wasn't a bird who broke the wildlife cam after the camera snapped a picture of him. Morgan's jewelry (all of it) was missing, the K guy (suspect stalker) sold a bunch of jewelry the day after Morgan's murder. Police still have not allowed the family to look at the list or photo's of that jewelry he sold. Read that on the blog. (click home) it should be there.
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Honestly, I'm seeing nothing but a light blur in the pic supposedly showing the breaking of the camera. Yes, it's very possible the stalker spotted and broke it but that pic is not conclusive to me.

And yes, I just read about the jewelry but once again, and making every allowance for the mother’s heightened emotional state, the pain and frustration in the aftermath of her tragic loss and now reliving it, I’m having problems following what actually happened. She says ‘all Morgan’s gold jewelry had disappeared the day her body was discovered’ did she notice and report this at the same time as the police were investigating the death? Was it a few days later she noticed? When? I just get the feeling I’m only getting half a story in some of these entries. Did Morgan have a jewelry box she kept the stuff in? Did she wear some or all of the items regularly? When had been the last time Toni had seen any of the stuff? She seems very indignant that the cop asked her for descriptions and positively incensed that he said photos would be preferable if possible. Why? It seems like a reasonable request, you report stolen property and LE wants descriptions and photos if possible. I’m pretty sure he didn’t suggest she spend hours trolling through 50000 photos but she and her husband, maybe understandably in the early stages of their grief, inferred this from the very request and took it very personally. Fact is she wanted them to act but you can’t demand LE ‘do something!!’ in one breath then refuse to provide them with what they need to proceed on the grounds you're too grief-stricken in another.

And the arrest - where did she get the info K had been arrested? Was he actually arrested or was it just someone hearing neighbourhood rumours told her he’d been arrested? And I’m confused, if he was arrested, was it because he sold some gold jewelry? The store alerted the cops? How did they find out? There's also something about outstanding warrants and in the process they found drugs and drug-dealing paraphernalia in his car? And what happened as a result of the arrest? Was he charged, brought to court?

I’m sorry but it’s very difficult to follow events and reach conclusions when she doesn’t fully explain all the events and intersperses conspiracy theories and diatribes about the inefficacy of LE in the midst of the narrative.
 
LadyL said:
HC - you're partially right about my not believing ... it's not that I don't think it's possible their daughter was stalked - I've been there and know that horrible reality

it's just that when something doesn't feel right in my gut, I start looking for reasons why ... and in this case, I'm finding little clues here & there

I'm struggling with it because I want to believe and support this family ... but I have this overwhelming feeling of ... idk ... I don't want to say 'hoax' because I
need to finish reading the blog and let it settle but it's true that right now I'm very suspicious

I may change my mind later

as always, you know I <3 you HC (-;
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BBM: ditto, darlin. Ditto.

And I get why you're feeling something in your gut. I do. And I LOVE that you're asking yourself why, and looking for reasons; that's how we learn about ourselves. And friends can disagree with friends...that's the interesting part about the world...and it makes us question ourselves (like you're doing) and learn more. Never a wasted effort!

I am not sure that she was "murdered" in the traditional sense. I don't understand how/why she died; it's definitely something I'm looking at from a clinical aspect. Yes, stress and anxiety can cause severe changes in one's body, as would adding medication onto a stressed system. In that case, it probably not take the "usual" dose to create an overdose - if the system is worn down, meds will take affect faster and with more vigor than in a normal system.

I am fairly sure that whatever happened, it wasn't suicide.

I am leaning away from hoax because of the way this is coming out. If it was a hoax, then I'd say that there would be a lot more denial from LE/SO; "no stalker", no reports, et cetera. That's not happened.

And one of the more interesting aspects of the blog, for me at least, is that Toni is doing her absolute best to educate, teach, and inform people about stalking, and about steps that need to be taken (which are not taken) to solve issues, to protect the victim, and to inform the victim of potentialities.

I think that the motive is pure - educate, prevent, and change SOPs - so that what the Ingrams have experienced isn't wasted, and can change the future for other people who find themselves being stalked.

And yes, I'm sure some of her motive is to put pressure on those agencies so that things can be changed...or at least evaluated and looked at.

Because I can't find a "reward" for Toni Ingram in terms of monetary value or fame or personal attention, I'm leaning towards this is a real, accurate (as best she can) portrayal of what she, her daughter, and her husband went through, with a "pure" motive of education and investigation into the circumstances of her daughter's death.

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What was the motive for the stalking? Did she receive threats, love texts etc? Usually a stalker will rape and murder their victim. I dont see someone going to this extreme to steal jewelry when a burglary would get the job done. Did she have any enemies? A jilted ex? Did someone want to punish the family for something? Just from what Ive read so far they have only carried this out at the house and no where else Lauren was. Seems more to me someone used Lauren to taunt the parents.

Why taunt for months and then kill unless you wanted to make your victims suffer? If he just wanted to kill her there were plenty of opportunities to do that.
 
I wish the whole story was put out there and maybe it is and I dont know where to find it. Truthfully, reading the blog is like reading a novel except you cant get to the next chapter to piece it together until it is written. Still, very fascinating.
Right now Im leaning toward it being someone that wanted to get back at her family.
 
concernedmother said:
What was the motive for the stalking? Did she receive threats, love texts etc? Usually a stalker will rape and murder their victim. I dont see someone going to this extreme to steal jewelry when a burglary would get the job done. Did she have any enemies? A jilted ex? Did someone want to punish the family for something? Just from what Ive read so far they have only carried this out at the house and no where else Lauren was. Seems more to me someone used Lauren to taunt the parents.

Why taunt for months and then kill unless you wanted to make your victims suffer? If he just wanted to kill her there were plenty of opportunities to do that.
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Stalking doesn't always have a motive to "start". Yes, a lot of the time it's an ex, or a jilted wanna be lover. But sometimes, fixation/stalking just happens.

(And BTW, the victim's name is Morgan, not Lauren...)

I, too, think perhaps the parents are the target...tormenting their child, without being able to do anything about it, would drive most parents batty.

But I'm not ruling out some random fixation from the stalker toward Morgan.

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Does anybody think the stalker in the picture looks like Ken? Ken from Barbie? I swear, his hair looks stiff.

He does not look like an LE offical. One thing I do notice....he's not wearing a hoodie.

I'm pretty sure in one of the future blog post, it will be told that there was some kind of hidden device they find in their house. Something ends up happening to make this a federal stalking case. I have no doubt the evidence is not over. The mom makes many post saying "they didn't know how bad it would get but would find out later" types of post. Just like when she talks about the keypad door lock thingy. Mom wrote about them getting the new keypad thing, but now she realizes it was a bad idea b/c of what would end up happening.

When I think about stalking...I always think about "my sister sam" and Rebecca Schaeffer. It was the first time I have every heard about stalking.
 
A comment on K.

Jan, 2012:
article about the arrest of K (and others; seems like a police news kind of thing)

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120113/VALLEYNEWS/120119952

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"Theft by receiving: Officers received a report on Dec. 23 of theft from a home. At 5 p.m. that day in the 1400 block of Grand Avenue, officers stopped a car driven by Keenan James Vanginkel, 19, of Carbondale and arrested him on a $1,000 warrant for theft by receiving. He was also found to be in possession of less than 6 ounces of marijuana, and was charged with possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia and intent to sell marijuana."

That would seem to be the arrest that folks are referring to.

Now, my questions would be the following:
1. "theft by recieving" CO statute is:

"§ 18-4-410. Theft by receiving

(1) Except as provided in subsection (6) of this section, a person commits theft by receiving when he receives, retains, loans money by pawn or pledge on, or disposes of anything of value of another, knowing or believing that said thing of value has been stolen, and when he intends to deprive the lawful owner permanently of the use or benefit of the thing of value"

Seems to me that K. was suspected of stealing the jewelry he sold to the gold shop. I am wondering how suspicion came to be with K. Was it the proprietor of the shop who suspected K? If so, why? Seems there was enough info on a warrant (with $1000 bail) to arrest K.

this leads me to believe that either the SO had him on surveillance for something else, and followed him into the store and got the details from the owner, *or* the owner became suspicious, and reported it.

I can't think of another way that K. was on the radar with this warrant...
Was this Morgan's jewelry? It's worth finding out. If it was, then there is a clear indication he was present sometime in her room...or clear evidence thst she met with him and gave over the jewelry for some reason.

Somehow, if this is Morgan's jewelry, it came into his possession.

And apparently, he also had drugs in the car with "intent to sell" and possession. I wonder what happened to that charge?

Actually, I wonder what happened to any of the charges? Can someone check the courts in Carbondale Colorado for a disposition of this? Seems like there should have been a hearing somewhere...and I haven't got the foggiest notion how to find that info.

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Everyone's bringing up great points, and a special thanx to NancyA, who spelled out my concerns so well.

For me, things don't add up. If this person was fixated on Morgan, why did he just inject her with an OD or slip something in her morning juice? After so much "foreplay", that seems rather anticlimatic. As I said originally, if there was a stalker, it sounds to me like she wasn't the focus of attention, but rather one or both of the parents were. Someone wanted to terrorize mom and/or dad.

Where were the personal attacks on Morgan, the emails, texts, presents, phone calls, etc.? Knocking on windows and watching from the woods is more of a peeper thing. Peepers can escalate, but usually to rape, then murder (Ted Bundy is a good example). Have there been any other accounts in the area?

The police did respond an amazing amount from what I get from the reports. There were even people hiding in the woods, waiting, including Dad, yet this guy was never caught in the woods, never even seen? It doesn't add up.

And I, too, wonder why they left windows open after finding footprints outside. They were frightened enough to have their daughter sleep in the closet, but not enough to lock the windows at night? They got motion detectors and not a shotgun? Some guy came knocking on my windows at 3 in the morning the other day, yelling for "Tara". Scared my daughter, who texted me (I was upstairs). I came down with my shotgun. He saw me through the window and teleported across the street, he was gone so fast. He hasn't come back. I named my shotgun Tara. Now, I know he wasn't a stalker, but this shows how quickly proving you have weapons and will use them can change someone's behavior.

Another thing that bothers me is in the telling of this tale. Most of the account is told in the form of text messages. They texted her they were on their way home, she texted she would be late, etc. Yet there seems to be nothing urgent about those texts. In fact, often times Morgan seemed embarrassed about her parents' concern, not terrified like we're led to believe.

It almost reminds me of Paranormal Activity in how it's told.

Like everyone keeps saying, we need to wait and see what unfolds in the story, but that, too, is odd. If this family wants the case solved, why tell the story in bits and pieces? It keeps people coming back their way, which provides a large number of hits on their web page, and from an web page analytic standpoint, shows a large number of repeat visitors, as well as unique visitors. To me it sounds like pre-SEO for a future book or movie deal, or something along those lines.

I know people who've had murdered children, and they don't tell their stories in fits and starts. They blurt everything out, wanting everyone - anyone - to listen. They don't spin a tale of intrigue and suspense. They want answers. They want help.

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rollinginit said:
Does anybody think the stalker in the picture looks like Ken? Ken from Barbie? I swear, his hair looks stiff.

He does not look like an LE offical. One thing I do notice....he's not wearing a hoodie.

I'm pretty sure in one of the future blog post, it will be told that there was some kind of hidden device they find in their house. Something ends up happening to make this a federal stalking case. I have no doubt the evidence is not over. The mom makes many post saying "they didn't know how bad it would get but would find out later" types of post. Just like when she talks about the keypad door lock thingy. Mom wrote about them getting the new keypad thing, but now she realizes it was a bad idea b/c of what would end up happening.

When I think about stalking...I always think about "my sister sam" and Rebecca Schaeffer. It was the first time I have every heard about stalking.
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What's interesting about that photo is that it's clearly not one of the SO deputies. They have reflective writing on the back of their uniforms, and there is no such thing on the stalker photo.

Additionally, Toni states that three deputies came by, and you can clearly see one leaving, and then two others leave, and then comes the photo of the stalker.

Between those two, it seems to me that this *is* a photo of the stalker...or of someone who should not have been there.

Other observations:
I don't know that he is actually 'leaning'. It seems as if he came from the right of the photo, as his movements (arms, and movement of shirt) seem to indicate a relatively fast pace from right to left on the photo.

There is a shadow on the left SUV (the Rover, I believe) that is present in the deputies' photos but not in the stalker photo. I think that the shadow may be the stalker, again off camera to the right, watching as the deputies leave.

And yes, I agree. The hair seems to be upswept somehow - reminds me of the "faux-hawk" I gave my nephew last Christmas with wax and hairspray. LOL.

There is a mower of some sort (at least it looks like that to me) in the middle plane on the right of the photo. I think that's something that needs to be looked at more closely for reflections or something.

The shirt looks more to me like a long sleeve tee shirt, probably midweight. It doesn't strike me as a button down (which the LEOs would wear). The way it moves, and the absence of certain seams/lines on the shoulders and across the back seem to confirm this.

I am going to save those photos, and do some playing around on them. I think that shadow warrants further investigation, as does a small light in the left bushes, and other reflections the hood and the back of the cars seem to have caught.

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Oh, and one last thing before I stop and wait for the rest of the story (at which time, I might have to remove my foot from my mouth!):

Am I the only person who thinks the picture of the intruder above looks really strange? The police in the pictures above are nearly crystal clear, even tho they're walking away, yet the picture of the intruder is blurry, altho he's presumably leaning on the car. The reflection on the hood also looks strange, as does the figure's shape in general. His back seems to wide in comparison to how thin he appears to be, especially when compared to the two cops.
 
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MayraMM said:
It almost reminds me of Paranormal Activity in how it's told.
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It does sound that way. I read the cops were called over 50 times, neighbors watching etc this had to be one professional stalker. And it does sound like the makings of a book. I dont buy the kid down the street. This person took way too many chances of getting caught. I believe there was a stalker or something going on or why call LE that many times. But there is alot untold and it dont add up right now.
 
Another thing. Morgan was so scared she was sleeping in the closet but not about going off my herself where anyone could catch her alone and do something. If you have a stalker arent you going to be afraid he is following you? And wouldnt he follow you? She was taking her puppy out for walks and the one day she was somewhere walking alone. It just really seems someone was out to terrorize that family in their home. And so far in this story thats the only place Morgan seems afraid.Why?
 
I really looked at pictures of KJV that everybody keeps bringing up. Sorry, I just don't see where in the world he looks anything like that stalker picture on the hunter's cam. I really don't see anything that looks like that boy at all. I also clicked on his mom's page...and let me tell you, from some of those pictures she posted (you know how people always post those funny pictures with quotes) she is pretty POed about people messing with her son. Can't say I blame her. I really could see a slander suit from them against Morgan's parents.

Now, this boy may be no angel and what the parents are saying MAY be true. JMO.

It's amazing how we all feel different things about this story, but IMO, that's what makes it a great story to figure out.

I like Morgan's mom and I like the way she is telling her story. Both of my teenagers are now reading it.....and IMO, that is great. They are learning about things they have never known about. Maybe Morgan's story will save a life somewhere down the road by what another person reads on that blog.

I guess money could be why they are doing it....but why? They (both the parents) seem to be pretty well off. They both have careers. I'm pretty sure most normal people don't want to air the family business on a blog. For whatever reason, right or wrong, mom is doing what she feels is the right thing for her. Maybe, just maybe...she is doing it to get LE to take another look at the case.

This web site tends to make some of us a little jaded about people. I work hard to NOT be jaded. I like to believe that most people are decent.

That's it. as always, JMO.
 
MayraMM said:
Oh, and one last thing before I stop and wait for the rest of the story (at which time, I might have to remove my foot from my mouth!):

Am I the only person who thinks the picture of the intruder above looks really strange? The police in the pictures above are nearly crystal clear, even tho they're walking away, yet the picture of the intruder is blurry, altho he's presumably leaning on the car. The reflection on the hood also looks strange, as does the figure's shape in general. His back seems to wide in comparison to how thin he appears to be, especially when compared to the two cops.
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There is a simple explanation for that. I shouldn't say simple. LOL
Hunters cams give off a light blink when they take a picture. I'm not sure what model they have, but some are more advanced. I do find it weird that the police didn't look towards the blink, but it could be bc their backs were not facing it..so they didn't see it.

I personally think the stalker walked into frame and the camera blinked.......he saw it and turned his head towards the camera...which ended up making his face blurry. Then he destroys the camera in the next shot.

I will have to go back and see if the list what type of camera they got. My hubby is an expert in hunters cams and I can get some spec. for that camera.
 
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