CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[21merc7]

Could the x bf coming to town enraged the stalker ?

I dunno'. I was thinking it upset Morgan, perhaps finally realizing that they would not be together "happily ever after". I could be wrong.

I have to agree with others questioning Morgan taking the dog out at night. All I can say is, not in my house! I would be the one doing it, especially if I thought there was any threat to my daughter. My parents would have been the same, actually Dad would have done it. No one else was exiting the house after dark, they were very strict, which is why I note that here.

 

[21merc7]

It doesn't sound like she was fine. But of course, not wanting to worry anyone needlessly, she's going to say she's fine.

Just as a side note, right before my ex-husband committed suicide, he was very upbeat. No one could believe he did it. But, that's actually quite common in people who make that decision. They're finally happy because in their minds, there's an end in sight. Things have been settled, and they can relax and be happy.

I'm not saying that was the case with M . . . I'm just saying.

Being upbeat is also a way to disguise your true intentions.

So sorry for your loss.

 

[NancyA]

Toni talked about 2 things.
her own visit to a therapist and the fact that Morgan did NOT feel the need to visit a therapist. Morgan stated that she was feeling upbeat and confident that they were closing in on the stalker and that he would be caught.
But Toni encouraged an LE contact and her family doctor to discuss with Morgan how she was holding up to all this stalking. Toni thought that Morgan looked tired and worn out with dark circles under her eyes. Both the LE contact and the OB/GYN gave her a glowing report (the doctor saw her 36 hours before she died) and said she was just fine mentally, in their opinions. They both stated she was upbeat.
She got a clean bill of health from the doctor. ETA: the doctor did not reveal the conversation to Toni until after Morgan died. Morgan was an adult and so while they shared the same doctor-she was unable to report to Toni their conversation. After she died the doctor was shocked by the death, in part based on the conversation she had had with Morgan 36 hours prior to her death.

But it was not the mental state that caught my attention. It was the physical description that Toni gave of Morgan, coupled with the fact that she was not hungry the day before she died and that she was getting ill.

Right. Me too. There seems to be a contradiction here with regards to Morgan's mental state which is described as upbeat, positive etc and her physical appearance which even 2 weeks prior to the OB/GYN exam is described as exhausted, dark circles under eyes and, indeed, we can all see that in the pic after she had her hair done. Did the OB/GYN who spoke as to her impression of Morgan's sound mental health not pick up on the fact that the girl looked physically to be in a terrible state??

And I'm a bit concerned that in almost 4 months, never once did M see another doctor of any kind until she saw her OB/GYN at this appointment. So who were all those doctors referenced in the ME's second opinion report? How long had it been since any of them had seen or examined Morgan? How could they speak as to her state of mind - ie no indication she might be suicidal - to the ME if they hadn't seen or examined her during that period?

I'm sorry this just doesn't make any more sense to me than it has all along, the driving alone late at night, the walking the dog in the dark... And nothing described of M's upbeat, happy state of mind adds up. If that was the case why was dad close to tears or crying after his conversation with her?

 

[rollinginit]

I cannot believe you just said that. I have really long hair and over the past few days it has suddenly started to fall out by the handful. As I was reading your post I was -at that moment- pulling out a huge clump of hair.

SBM.

My hair started to come out. The dr. I use to have told me to take some Biotin and it would help. I did and after a few months, it did help. It's also great for nails.

 

[rollinginit]

Not if you've been stalked half to death. Not if you have to coordinate when you're coming home with your parents so you don;t spend one second alone outside each night. Not if your family has made multiple calls to the police, has purchased various motions detectors, infrared googles, cameras and locks that your stalker seems to have been able to evade.

This makes no sense at all. None. :twocents:


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SBM: my post was a joke about my dogs.
I am the first to admit, I don't know why M was taking her dog outside when there was a stalker. Maybe she was trying to be brave?

 

[21merc7]

Right. Me too. There seems to be a contradiction here with regards to Morgan's mental state which is described as upbeat, positive etc and her physical appearance which even 2 weeks prior to the OB/GYN exam is described as exhausted, dark circles under eyes and, indeed, we can all see that in the pic after she had her hair done. Did the OB/GYN who spoke as to her impression of Morgan's sound mental health not pick up on the fact that the girl looked physically to be in a terrible state??

And I'm a bit concerned that in almost 4 months, never once did M see another doctor of any kind until she saw her OB/GYN at this appointment. So who were all those doctors referenced in the ME's second opinion report? How long had it been since any of them had seen or examined Morgan? How could they speak as to her state of mind - ie no indication she might be suicidal - to the ME if they hadn't seen or examined her during that period?

I'm sorry this just doesn't make any more sense to me than it has all along, the driving alone late at night, the walking the dog in the dark... And nothing described of M's upbeat, happy state of mind adds up. If that was the case why was dad close to tears or crying after his conversation with her?

IDK how many docs she had seen. However, if Mom was taking her, she would fake happiness so as not to have to "hear about it" later at home. I did that in my teens, talked with school therapist. They brought parents in even after I begged them not to b/c it would mean a whole lot more issues for me. I then changed my story fast, fast, fast, even went so far as to say I found God and I was happy now. I still got the expected corporal punishment at home, but the depression was dismissed and never looked at. In fact, we were told to never discuss our problems as people would label us "crazy". Small town, parents were just doing what they knew, so....

 

[rollinginit]

did Morgan ever sit down alone with law enforcement one on one and discuss any of the things her mother is blogging about?

Marshmallow, I think mom said in the interview that M had an appointment with LE the next week. (but she died before making the interview) Mom said that M was suppose to look over time sheets and other things they had on somebody they suspected.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Ok,im still lurking.
Id like to thank Mr I for coming to the forum and participating and for trying to help us understand things.Id also like to apologise if i come of as rude or harsh in my questions but they have to be asked unfortunately..

Im catching up so i apologise if im all over the place.

The jewellery,am i right that some went missing,the next day a certain person was caught with some stolen jewellery but the police wont confirm or deny to the Ingrams if any of it was Morgans?.i dont understand that,unless theyre saying nothing because LE are trying to gather evidence?..

Someone posted about how a person can seem really happy before commiting suicide.Yes i can agree completely with that,lived it.

The picture of the stalker could be measured to get an idea of height,width and maybe weight,maybe measure hood of cars in drive to work with.unfortunately i dont know how to do that,if know one else can then let me know and ill ask someone..

Sorry ive got lots to ask and say but just cant get the words out so ill leave it just now.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

IDK how many docs she had seen. However, if Mom was taking her, she would fake happiness so as not to have to "hear about it" later at home. I did that in my teens, talked with school therapist. They brought parents in even after I begged them not to b/c it would mean a whole lot more issues for me. I then changed my story fast, fast, fast, even went so far as to say I found God and I was happy now. I still got the expected corporal punishment at home, but the depression was dismissed and never looked at. In fact, we were told to never discuss our problems as people would label us "crazy". Small town, parents were just doing what they knew, so....

I still doubt M was telling her Mom everything,know matter how close they were.Was there not also something where M shouted at her mom?.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Right. Me too. There seems to be a contradiction here with regards to Morgan's mental state which is described as upbeat, positive etc and her physical appearance which even 2 weeks prior to the OB/GYN exam is described as exhausted, dark circles under eyes and, indeed, we can all see that in the pic after she had her hair done. Did the OB/GYN who spoke as to her impression of Morgan's sound mental health not pick up on the fact that the girl looked physically to be in a terrible state??

And I'm a bit concerned that in almost 4 months, never once did M see another doctor of any kind until she saw her OB/GYN at this appointment. So who were all those doctors referenced in the ME's second opinion report? How long had it been since any of them had seen or examined Morgan? How could they speak as to her state of mind - ie no indication she might be suicidal - to the ME if they hadn't seen or examined her during that period?

I'm sorry this just doesn't make any more sense to me than it has all along, the driving alone late at night, the walking the dog in the dark... And nothing described of M's upbeat, happy state of mind adds up. If that was the case why was dad close to tears or crying after his conversation with her?

Most of the doctors named by Dr. Doberson in his letter were from UCLA, pediatricians, pedi. neurologist, pedi. neuroscientist, GI specialist etc.


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[twinkiesmom]

It doesn't sound like she was fine. But of course, not wanting to worry anyone needlessly, she's going to say she's fine.

Just as a side note, right before my ex-husband committed suicide, he was very upbeat. No one could believe he did it. But, that's actually quite common in people who make that decision. They're finally happy because in their minds, there's an end in sight. Things have been settled, and they can relax and be happy.

I'm not saying that was the case with M . . . I'm just saying.

Mom said she was upbeat because her state of mind was that the stalker was about to be arrested the following week. This is huge. If she passed that info along to someone in her inner circle, it would possibly get back to the stalker if he was someone in her outer circle.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Which brings me to another point. I don't see someone killing her with so many different medications. Especially the odd ball Dalmane.

I don't see a suicide being likely with so many medications on board, several of them being date rape medications. This was overkill by manyfold....In my mind, there is great spite involved in loading her up this way.

This death occurred last year. She could have googled all these medications and picked up one that would just put her to sleep permanently...Ami would not be a drug of choice because you could end up in a long-term coma...other side effects are painful/scary.

I hear what you're saying but can't get past this is someone who had an enemy.

 

[Marshmallow]

Marshmallow, I think mom said in the interview that M had an appointment with LE the next week. (but she died before making the interview) Mom said that M was suppose to look over time sheets and other things they had on somebody they suspected.

this, among many other things, concerns me. if these parents were so scared that they took all these precautions why did they not take that young lady down there the first week? not only did Morgan not talk to them one on one, there is no record of Morgan's thoughts and concerns that isn't coming from her Mom's remembery. I worry that things may be skewed or altered unknowingly due to her grief and heartbreak and now anger. It is so easy to have happen.

 

[NancyA]

I don't see a suicide being likely with so many medications on board, several of them being date rape medications. This was overkill by manyfold....In my mind, there is great spite involved in loading her up this way.

This death occurred last year. She could have googled all these medications and picked up one that would just put her to sleep permanently...Ami would not be a drug of choice because you could end up in a long-term coma...other side effects are painful/scary.

I hear what you're saying but can't get past this is someone who had an enemy.

BBM. See, I have a problem with all these drugs being dubbed 'date rape meds' - I have a problem with the term 'date rape' per se but that's a whole other debate - none of these drugs was ever formulated or prescribed with an end to facilitating rape. Yes, they can be and are sometimes used to facilitate rape but they were originally formulated and prescribed to address specific medical complaints and that is why they are to be found in any number of medicine cabinets in any number of homes so there is nothing to say M did not avail herself of numerous opportunities to acquire a few here and a few there surreptitiously or even ask friends if they had anything that might help her sleep. It happens. Mom keeps emphasising that M was never diagnosed with this or that condition but if she didn't see a doctor during that time frame she couldn't be diagnosed with anything or indeed cleared of anything could she?

 

[cluciano63]

I am so confused. Have just spent a very long time reading this entire thread. Is it a FACT that Morgan had a stalker or stalkers? If so, how was it determined to be a fact?

Also I had no idea that flexeril was considered a date rape drug. I have taken that several times over the years, and it seems to be one would have to be slipped several in order to ensure they would pass out. I take narcotics for pain every day and sometimes muscle relaxers, etc...so I guess I would be full of "date rape" drugs if I am ever found "un-wake-up-able."

HAS this case been reopened? And was it stated why she was cremated with so much controversy over her death?

Those are just a few questions I have...that I believe I can ask.

 

[Marshmallow]

Not if you've been stalked half to death. Not if you have to coordinate when you're coming home with your parents so you don;t spend one second alone outside each night. Not if your family has made multiple calls to the police, has purchased various motions detectors, infrared googles, cameras and locks that your stalker seems to have been able to evade.

This makes no sense at all. None. :twocents:



I find this somewhat close to the version we heard from a poster here in which Morgan was feeling low, expressed that she was "done" and that her dad went to bed crying as a result.



Excellent point.



This is insane. If this is the truth then someone or two or three needs to be fired.



Man, you said it. I am hoping for a flood of calls demanding info from the police.



Yes, the parents were home and sleeping when Morgan died. I can't say whether the parents heard noises but Morgan was in her room. (All from the blog).



Here is one heck of a good piece of sleuthing.

The family should hire an attorney yesterday who can work in conjunction with a good PI and get everything they need from the police, asap.

as I've said all along: we are only getting one version of anything, the Mom's. We do not know what is true and what may be skewed. We do not really know Morgan's state of mind or how the LE is looking at this, we get inconsistancies and a biased point of view. This case is an oddity for WS, we have never been allowed to only see one side and to not discuss the entirity of a case before.

 

[Marshmallow]

One morning M let the dog out at 5 to pee and this person was standing there with a black hoodie on. After that M got a long leash and let him out that way while she remained inside the door. M recognized the person.

why did no one take her to the LE at that point to have a one on one with law enforcement?

 

[cluciano63]

Who else saw the person in the black hoodie out there?

 

[concernedmother]

I laid in bed last night thinking about this case thinking how horrifying it must be to have someone tapping on your window at night. If it was a few incidences or 4 long straight months it would be horrible.

 

[concernedmother]

Who else saw the person in the black hoodie out there?

I believe M told her but no one else saw.