CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #3

[iluvmua]

a couple questions that go off your's:

q: were either of her parents in her room in the time between her going to bed and her body being found?
ex: did they enter but assume she was sleeping and tippytoe through lest they wake her?
q: if so, how many times and for what amount of time each time?
q: were the dogs in the room at all during that time period?

these questions are important, in my view.

I believe her aussie puppy was in the room.

 

[hambirg]

I have a question that I haven't seen addressed on the blog. Why did her mom go into Morgan's room at 5:30 a.m.?

Idk, but according to the floor plan of the house, there is a second bathroom accessible through Morgan's room. Maybe the Dad was up using the master bathroom and she went to use Morgan's. It was just a thought. Maybe we should just ask her. :dunno:

ETA-there is a third bathroom off the study, so that seems less likely now. But I still think just asking would be a good idea.

 

[keeponsearching]

It is really easy to post questions to Toni on the blog.

Morgans dog slept with her, the door was closed. The older dog was in the hallway but the mom made the dog go into the parents room, and then the shut the door which I believe they don't usually do.

 

[keeponsearching]

Maybe Morgan had plans that morning, and had to be up early?? Maybe mom was use to checking on her. I doubt my habit of checking on my kids will ever end. But I think Morgan had to get up, because wouldn't mom have to say something to her to learn that she had died? Unless something looked unusual.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I found this article about toxicology tests. I thought I would share it in case there are others like me that don't understand how it works. It doesn't answer all my questions but it's a beginning.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests

 

[keeponsearching]

Was the dad not in Morgans room talking to her about being late? I know they talked, and mom sent dad to room to talk to her, right? It was late too, I can see why she would be tired.

 

[Ravynne]

According to the very beginning of the blog...

http://morganingram.com/murder.html

There was a deer in the yard sometime around 3:45.

 

[nursebeeme]

According to the very beginning of the blog...

http://morganingram.com/murder.html

She was discovered sometime before 3:45 NOT 5:30.

when I looked at that link it would seem that was when the deer walked by her window :moo:

 

[hambirg]

According to the very beginning of the blog...

http://morganingram.com/murder.html

She was discovered somewhere around 3:45 not 5:30.

No, that is the time the camera took the picture of the deer outside her room. It doesn't say anything about her being found dead at 3:45am

 

[Ravynne]

Ok my bad, it's confusing the way it's listed under the murder, I shall fix. Apologies.

 

[keeponsearching]

Somewhere it says mom found her at 5:30. It must be in the comments of the blog.

 

[nursebeeme]

Ok my bad, it's confusing the way it's listed under the murder, I shall fix. Apologies.

it IS confusing! I agree.


I want to add on here so eta: It confused me as well because the time with the animal and the words that were written do certainly intimate that the deer knew morgan was dead already which, given the medical info we have, may well not be true. I agree that it was very confusing.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

why is she talking down the blog in December?

man, this would be such a good story for dateline or 48 hours to do.

I feel like those shows would not touch this case until it's confirmed that Morgan was killed. For one, they are walking a thin line if they start making accusations about friends, neighbors, the police, etc. Everything on the show would have to come from mom's blog, and I don't think that's ethical journalism. They would probably want some MSM articles to get information from. Lastly, I believe the majority of cases those shows spotlight are solved.

 

[raine1212]

BBM

But covering for what? I will have to go back to look, but I believe that it's been mentioned before about Morgan spending the night at friends'. Mom knew Morgan was on birth control. I don't know that having her boyfriend over was something she had to cover up and hide from her parents.

MOO

i was just thinking about who I dated in my 20's, my parents did not approve so we had to sneak,,.. I covered my behind so I would not get into trouble. JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

thought on birth control: there are other reasons to take it besides preventing pregnancy:

(cramps, irregular cycles, acne, etc etc etc)

just throwing that out there... it may have nothing to do with relationships and what the parents may or may not have approved of.

:moo:

 

[laurafairlie]

why is she talking down the blog in December?

man, this would be such a good story for dateline or 48 hours to do.

I must have missed this. Where does she say this? I think I also missed the stuff about the book/documentary. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[raine1212]

thought on birth control: there are other reasons to take it besides preventing pregnancy:

(cramps, irregular cycles, acne, etc etc etc)

just throwing that out there... it may have nothing to do with relationships and what the parents may or may not have approved of.

:moo:

I agree I had to take the pill for my cycle two a day until my hysterectomy

 

[SoBeCzar]

I agree. I know of several people, all had mental health or life issues they had been dealing with, who attempted or committed suicide. There were no notes left, nothing said to anyone, no giving away of material possessions. They all were dealing with their torment privately.

I lost a family member to suicide. No note either, but he did give away possessions and sell some too. There were signs he was depressed even though many close to him did not recognize it.
I think if Morgan was going to kill herself she would have had signs, that upon reflection, were obvious. Things that if family missed, friends would have caught. I don't mean just looking gaunt and tired which clearly could come from being stalked. She was young and would have had a hard time not crying, having over the top emotions, showing complete disinterest in life, etc. Morgan seemed to have a good relationship with her parents in that she could have expressed her feelings and received support. She didn't stop going to class, stop socializing, start coming home intoxicated, become preoccupied with death, lose interest in her hobbies and so on. In fact, despite what she was going thru she seemed to have a positive outlook and plans for her future.

 

[MindMountaineer]

So you're thinking perhaps they just want to brush it under the rug so tourism won't be affected and the wealthy homeowners won't get scared. I can buy that. There's still the issue of no real evidence being released to us, tho. It's not the police holding back.

Well, not quite that simple. Perhaps it started out that way in this valley, but then what happens when such a skew towards denial and wanting to appease the wealthy continues for decades? The system begins to go corrupt.

Because the valley as a whole can be thought of as one small town (since most people who live in the valley, even if they don't live in Aspen proper, commute to work in Aspen--tiny Aspen has 4,965 commuters each day coming from as far as Rifle, Eagle, and Newcastle as well as Glenwood, Carbondale and Basalt to work in Aspen), it's not professional relationships that drive the social fabric of this down, but personal relationships. I come from a big city where because things are so impersonal, potential employers rely upon your professional and educational credentials as well as demonstrated skill to determine your fit for a job. Here in this valley, professional and educational credentials and skill/talent matter far less than the extent and kind of personal ties you have in the valley. It's very, very political in that sense. Add to that the transient nature of part of this community (people coming here to work only seasonally, people only coming here seasonally to their vacation homes, etc.), and the fact that understandably those whose strong personal ties (and likely weak professional qualifications) elevated them to some sort of Big Cheese status in this valley want to maintain their status, and there is a very strong distrust of outsiders.

Also, add a transient community to years of insiders doing "favors" here and there for one another, and you have a recipe for people so inclined to be able to get away with almost anything.

And lastly: the denial I mentioned. It's not just denial to appease the very rich. It's also denial along the lines of, "I live in this beautiful place; how can I possibly have any problems?" I cannot tell you how many times I have heard people talk like the mountains' beauty somehow mitigates their very real-world problems. People have a mentality here--many people, anyway--that nothing "bad" can happen. It's a kind of willful denial that I suppose makes the average local feel that their lack of fulfilled career aspirations, or lack of career aspiration, period, or mediocrity, is made up for by living in the mountains.

Add all these elements together, and I can very well understand how the Ingrams could have wound up in the predicament they are in in relation to local LE.

All this is just one person's opinion/observation. This is a wonderful place to live in many ways; don't get me wrong. The very fact of the "personal relationships" that I mention will likely prove the greatest solace to the Ingrams, and I think we're seeing evidence of that on the blog: the local restaurant owners creating a sushi roll in Morgan's name and the many locals more than eager to go in and buy it. I'm going to go have one next week It's just that the reality is that if someone wants to get away with murder in this valley, they can.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I know that if I lived in a place that had an inordinate amount of suspicious deaths that I felt weren't being addressed properly, I would notify the F.B.I.

The F.B.I. has jurisdictions for each area of the country and it is their job to handle issues like this.

****Also, has anyone else notice the picture of Tinkerbell in the poster behind M where she's looking in the mirror in Mom's blog "September 22"???***

WoW!