mysterygirl
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Yes I've read Phenergan several times when I was looking up date rape cocktails.
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Thanks. Now how would she know to take that too?
This causes me to question if the dose of the main killing drug was administed by someone who researched and wanted it to stay down.
What do you think?
In the bleakness of the report, this detail stood out![]()
I don't think there's a mystery here, only a tragedy.
I hope the Ingrams find the answers they are looking for though -- and if not answers, peace.
Thanks. Now how would she know to take that too?
This causes me to question if the dose of the main killing drug was administed by someone who researched and wanted it to stay down.
What do you think?
in your experience, would it be normal for EMS to contact the doctor and get permission to pronounce WITHOUT LE there? or is it law for LE to be present when a person is pronounced?
My take: She either came home drugged up or she left and came back drugged up. Okay: CONFESSION TIME: I used to drink and drug a lot. There were many nights I came home too drunk to change into my night clothes. I didn't even take off my earrings. Just passed out.
I'm sorry, so sorry for this possibility, and liklihood, but I think this might be the reason for the clothes on M. the night she died. God rest her soul.
Did I see guaifenesin too? Or did I imagine that?
You don't find it odd that with the exception of elavil, there is no other sign of any of those other drugs available in her location?
so, did anyone else notice the possible promethazine in the gastric fluid? (that is phenergan)
it was inconclusive but I found it a little interesting myself. (well, more than a little interesting I must admit)
It is an that also has sedative effects (other words used for nausea generally) It's drug class is an antihistamine.
As for the fully dressed bit: I was really surprised by that and it doesn't fit with what I had taken away from previous blog comments and the radio interview.
Did I see guaifenesin too? Or did I imagine that?
You don't find it odd that with the exception of elavil, there is no other sign of any of those other drugs available in her location?
She was tired, she was drugged, she was drinking----I repeat: I did it all the time when I was her age. There is nothing suspicious about falling asleep in your clothes--
I think we would find some research on her computer.
I think it's odd she made a date/breakfast for the morning and then killed herself and no pill fragments.
I think it's odd she was fully dressed.
It just doesn't feel right to me...........I'm probably the only one...........lol....but I'm not convinced. I'm just not.
Thanks for the honesty. But did you take crazy combinations such as this one? Back in my day we had ludes combined with drinking - dangerous. Oh angel dust could be dangerous too. Coke combined with drinking. Pot and hallucinogens but is it a new trend to take this type of a combination? If you were attempting to kill yourself, how would you know to take a stomach settler type drug? Seems pretty out there to me but what do I know?
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link please
I've been going nuts trying to find where I had read about the video from the night she died. and I've had absolutely no luck. Since I can't find a link for it and it's too late to edit my own post, is there a way to have the comment removed by someone else? If so, who would I contact about it? TIA
I think we would find some research on her computer.
I think it's odd she made a date/breakfast for the morning and then killed herself and no pill fragments.
I think it's odd she was fully dressed.
It just doesn't feel right to me...........I'm probably the only one...........lol....but I'm not convinced. I'm just not.
That's what I'm wondering. Because if LE did find searches related to that, then that may be why they drew the conclusions they did. But wouldn't they have pointed that out to T and S? Or they'd see it themselves as well.
I think the EMTs were there earlier, but from the Sheriff's Report, it sounds like the police themselves weren't informed until after she had been pronounced dead and they had done a check for drugs, etc.
I agree that he doesn't sound as unethical as he had been made to sound, but I'm still not 100% sure it was suicide. He did say that if there was any proof that someone else had been in the house, he'd change it to homicide. I just wish there was a way to know without a doubt that she didn't have the drugs in her system, or at least most of them, before she got home. It sounds like she was only home for about 1/2 hour or so before her parents went to bed. There's also still the possiblity that she had been given something that was supposed to help her sleep, but whoever mixed it (her or someone else) didn't know what they were doing. Accidental death by OD isn't totally unheard of.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8390401#post8390401"]****NO DISCUSSION****Morgan Ingram's Autopsy Report - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] Emphasis mine.If objective information is produced indicating that the decedent was somehow forced against her will to consume an Amitriptyline overdose and observed until incapacitated the manner of death may be reclassified as homicide.
I dont suppose there is any way to get a report from paramedic or LE about the scene that night? Pill bottles in M bathroom etc?
That would be part of her medical record with EMS and likely HIPPA protected = except in the circumstance we discussed a thread back.
The corresponds with the math I did about a million years ago when I noticed the ng/mL, but everyone told me I was doing it wrong, so I assumed I was doing it wrong, too. Guess not.
yes it was, CO has open public law
also i am typing in the dark again...lol...hubby in bed
It was stated that the EMT checked out the pills in her prescription bottle/s and they were all accounted for. Of course, that doesn't mean that she had been taking them as prescribed before she quit taking them completely; I recently went through my "med drawer" and got rid of the partial bottles I had left from previous years. I had a hard time in the past being "medically compliant" and actually threw away over 30 bottles, some full, some partially full; I'm sure it was at least 500 pills that were in there, not counting my current prescriptions that I kept - and do take as prescribed now! Not everybody is like me, luckily, but she could have actually just added old prescriptions to the new bottles when she got them; I'm not sure there's any way to know for sure if ALL pills were really accounted for. MOO
When a person dies (and I've been there WAY too many times) they might or might not empty their bladder. Depending on how full it is. The may evacuate their bowels. Vomiting because of fewer than 20 pills? Probably not.
Shoot, I know adults who take that many a couple times a day.
It is completely within the range of normal that no fluids were expelled.