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When it comes to the gun and Ron directing Misty to it, it just seems like a big set up by Ronald who probably heard Joe was crazy, to produce drama and show the Croslins that Joe was really bad, probably just for Ronalds own amusement, I think he thrives on drama, I heard how he sounded talking to Teresa Neves in jail and the tone of his voice when he was telling her about Misty crying over him, and when the lady judge was going to Misty the whole 100 years, he sounded like a gossiping hen.

And actually what intrigues me the most, is where was Joe when Misty was out with Greg Page and Nay Nay? It seems this fighting thing with Joe and Ron went on when Misty was gone, doesn't it?

~BBM~

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Can any of you fine folks provide a link to the RC/TN jailhouse convo? I looked through all of the media links listed last night and couldn't find it, nor did an extensive google search pan out. I would be forever in your debt...TIA!
 
So true... but really, Ronald going to the extent to tell how he would mess someones hands up for the rest of his life for stealing a gun, and then him hanging and marrying the key to finding out his daughter, the one cops say are lying, and she has been unscathed is just unbelievable. Hes either all talk, or really a passive person, but his reputation kinda refutes that. I guess the point is, hes just not consistent.
Not so unbelievable to me, Chablis. The world is full of (special people) like Ronald Cummings.
 
Oh heck Papa. I don't know lol. That's just the way I took it and the way I feel RC would make himself feel more important by saying HE found it. As I stated before it's all just my opinion from the way it was said--tone of voice, etc. I think I'll go back to just reading lol.
 
Just was bringing this post over to show that the fight over stolen gun was NOT day before Haleigh went missing(as some were stating it was) but rather a couple weeks before. Which I believe would be easy to figure out by just whats said in these Cobra tapes. Ron states it occurred the 1st time he met him, I think said within the 1st 3days of Joe's visit&his visit was for a couple weeks... Regardless by reading this post below it seems to have been misconstrued in the beginning also(that it occurred the day before Haleigh missing).. Just thought this may shed a little more light onto when it took place...

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Ok, they had a local reporter on Fox News this morning, can't remember who he worked for, and he said he had talked to Misty and the fight happened several weeks ago and he didn't know where everyone was getting it happened the day before Haleigh disappeared. He also said it was a minor fight, whatever that means. He also said Ron was a legal gun owner, which means he had to pass background check.
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I think this whole gun ordeal is much more than Joe wanting to steal it for him self..I believe that gun was used in a much more sinister way with Joe and Ron...such as a drug related robbery gone bad...I have a feeling that the gun that Ron "turned over to the LE" is not the same gun they were fighting over...It was said that Ron and Tommy and Joe were drinking beers one night, and Ron was showing off his guns..That had to have been the first night Ron met Joe, because Ron said Joe stole his gun on the first night he met him...I personally think that they went and robbed a dealer, someone died.. I don't think Joe ever stole that gun, but I do think he may have fired it...killing someone..I think a retaliation against Ron happened...This "gun" situation has been thrown around since the begining.. I really wish that Cobra could have contained himself a little more and let Ron talk.. I find it ironic that Ron knows Joes address but not his daughter B-day... I think Ron was very aware of Haleighs death and pointed to the river because he knows nothing could be found there, alligators and all..What better way to end an investigation..That's why he was so calious..
 
Just was bringing this post over to show that the fight over stolen gun was NOT day before Haleigh went missing(as some were stating it was) but rather a couple weeks before. Which I believe would be easy to figure out by just whats said in these Cobra tapes. Ron states it occurred the 1st time he met him, I think said within the 1st 3days of Joe's visit&his visit was for a couple weeks... Regardless by reading this post below it seems to have been misconstrued in the beginning also(that it occurred the day before Haleigh missing).. Just thought this may shed a little more light onto when it took place...

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So then you are saying the "fighting" over the gun took place around Feb 1st - 4th?
 
I think this whole gun ordeal is much more than Joe wanting to steal it for him self..I believe that gun was used in a much more sinister way with Joe and Ron...such as a drug related robbery gone bad...I have a feeling that the gun that Ron "turned over to the LE" is not the same gun they were fighting over...It was said that Ron and Tommy and Joe were drinking beers one night, and Ron was showing off his guns..That had to have been the first night Ron met Joe, because Ron said Joe stole his gun on the first night he met him...I personally think that they went and robbed a dealer, someone died.. I don't think Joe ever stole that gun, but I do think he may have fired it...killing someone..I think a retaliation against Ron happened...This "gun" situation has been thrown around since the begining.. I really wish that Cobra could have contained himself a little more and let Ron talk.. I find it ironic that Ron knows Joes address but not his daughter B-day... I think Ron was very aware of Haleighs death and pointed to the river because he knows nothing could be found there, alligators and all..What better way to end an investigation..That's why he was so calious..

I don't think Joe stole anything. I think Ronald was right there beside him as that gun went off.. I think Joe was the triggerman, Ronald the innocent bystander. Now they both have a HUGE secret they must share, they MUST protect eachother.
If anyone finds out that Joe and Ronald murdered some "dopeboy" they both go down.

There is definatley a reason Ronald is going against his own Mothers words. She says a fight took place regarding the gun, and Ronald says "no fight". Why? Why is Ronald busy protecting Joe as everyone else has him half-way under the bus??
 
I don't think Joe stole anything. I think Ronald was right there beside him as that gun went off.. I think Joe was the triggerman, Ronald the innocent bystander. Now they both have a HUGE secret they must share, they MUST protect eachother.
If anyone finds out that Joe and Ronald murdered some "dopeboy" they both go down.

There is definatley a reason Ronald is going against his own Mothers words. She says a fight took place regarding the gun, and Ronald says "no fight". Why? Why is Ronald busy protecting Joe as everyone else has him half-way under the bus??

oops think wrong thread maybe going to gen theories...
 
I think Tn was repeating what misty said. She had no kge of anything in this case accept through another party. RC is a story teller, likes to be the big shot and know-it-all. He speaks and acts so emotionally, one can't discern truth or his reality. The man is a mess.

Everything in this case is the wrong time, the wrong day and the wrong place as far as I'm concerned.

If I could put myself in JO's shoes, I would probably try to murder him not his daughter...the only way that happened if is JO is psychotic. OTOH rc should have no rhyme or reason to dismiss JO as a suspect and should have turned him in for theft two weeks prior to Haleigh missing. Those two weeks gave JO time to cool down which would relieve him of immediate vindictivenss against rc.

There has to be a good reason why rc is not pressing for JO. I noticed he is telling Cobra but LE didn't appear to be very convinced. It has been sixteen months now and JO is still walking around free. He should have been one of the easiest ones to include as a suspect IF the crime occurred in the MH.
 
I feel that this gun thing is the center of this investigation...I'm happy that Cobra pressed him about it..Unless I'm wrong, the LE didn't take in an assult rifle...
 
I'm not sure where the crime occured, but I believe it did occure because of Ron and others "knocking off dope boys..
 
I think Tn was repeating what misty said. She had no kge of anything in this case accept through another party. RC is a story teller, likes to be the big shot and know-it-all. He speaks and acts so emotionally, one can't discern truth or his reality. The man is a mess.

Everything in this case is the wrong time, the wrong day and the wrong place as far as I'm concerned.

If I could put myself in JO's shoes, I would probably try to murder him not his daughter...the only way that happened if is JO is psychotic. OTOH rc should have no rhyme or reason to dismiss JO as a suspect and should have turned him in for theft two weeks prior to Haleigh missing. Those two weeks gave JO time to cool down which would relieve him of immediate vindictivenss against rc.

There has to be a good reason why rc is not pressing for JO. I noticed he is telling Cobra but LE didn't appear to be very convinced. It has been sixteen months now and JO is still walking around free. He should have been one of the easiest ones to include as a suspect IF the crime occurred in the MH.

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That's what I was thinking... if JO had a gun he'd have shot RC if the circumstances allowed, not taken his little girl the night before he left. (In an area he didn't even know! are we supposed to believe an entire family covered for a child killer?)
AND this is a big AND of the two men... who is behind bars ?and who is living in TN?
If JO is SOOOO big and bad why is he free? LE seems very unimterested with JO IMO
 
Was the culvert at Chelseas? Wasn't Joe staying there?
Good luck on locating that! I just found a legal document that Tommy jr lived on Sunglow in 2007. I would lkie to know when he moved from there to Tyler. And why did HC gave a Magnolia addy to the hospital in Feb 2009. When did he move there and when did he leave? Ithought he was at tommy's. I know Chelsea lived in Daytona Beach/Bunnell with her in-laws but can't track her after that in 2006. If we can't even track where the players were located at the time of the crime, I doubt we can get anywhere near to figuring this out.

Anyway, the entire gun story is crazy. Jo was staying with tommy; then he moved on to Hank Sr.s house; then when Hank was injured by the drunk driver; JO moved in with 'Chelsea....okiedokie. to top that, Chelsa now tells us timmy was recovering from a wreck on Feb8th. You can all color me confused. We need a spreadsheet for the vehicles they drive, the places they live and the car accidents they are involved in.

It is time to go all the way back to Ocam's Razor and trim down the insanity.
 
I think that the shooting occured when Ron FIRST met Joe...and if someone shot someone in a drug heist that would be enough to keep them all at bay...and if Misty said something at the wild party at WBG's cuz she was pi$$ed ad Ron, for curling her up in a ball and whooping her a$$ at the thought of being pregnant..surely she spilled her beans...
 
yeah.,, where Chelsea and Tim lived is the million dollar question....I've looked too..including the archives...
 
and in the archives, someone looked up B.O. face book and seen that Chelsea was talking to him...she left a phone # which came back to Tommy Croslin...She said they where looking for a place to live...He said that he'd been in Florida around tax time...
 
I think that the shooting occured when Ron FIRST met Joe...and if someone shot someone in a drug heist that would be enough to keep them all at bay...and if Misty said something at the wild party at WBG's cuz she was pi$$ed ad Ron, for curling her up in a ball and whooping her a$$ at the thought of being pregnant..surely she spilled her beans...

"Ron this is my cousin JO."
"Hey nice to meet you! wanna go kill a dope boy?":waitasec:

If MC was runnin her mouth I just don't see why she wasn't taken out... even thugs have kids... and IMO they have a lower opinion of their B^*@!s than their babies...

it just does not compute!:snooty:

nothing against you in any way! :)
 
In the two days of interviews recently she stated she lived within three miles of Green Lane. that could be Sunglow or Magnolia (4.5mi). Paradise Shores where some think she lived is much further and could not be considered 3 mile range.

tommy and lindsy, chelsea and timmy may have taken turns living with Lisa and Hank. Tommy jr definitely lived on Sunglow (San Mateo) before he moved to Tyler. Lisa and Hank share that addy too as Lisa has her DL listed with that addy and the neighbor who used to let them use the phone confirmed they were his neighbors at one time.

You have to check other counties to find records of these players and sometimes you get the addresses if your'e lucky. There are liens, injunctions, evictions, etc. from the counites outside of Putnam. That is where I just found Tommy llived on Sunglow..
 
No offense taken...but listen how Ron talkes in the 911 call...I've got better people to talk too...Oh ,,really...who...??? His boys.... nahh...not Ron... Talks to Cobra about putting Joes hands under a Jack... They just met... People like him I've known, If you were to put Ron and Joe at a table I'll bet stories fly on who's badder...seriously...
 

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