Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

[froginTtown]

Actually, its just the gang way of holding a gun...It's in the movies too...lol

 

[Elphaba]

unless this is flattery to get Ron off-guard and make him think Cobra's gonna blame CS for it I'm guessing Cobra doesn't read on WS because I could point him to a zillion cases of daddies killing babies.

Without a doubt, IMO, it was a sly move to get in good with Ron... we have to remember: secondary to Cobra being down there for the publicity, he was also working under the direction of KP, Crystal's lawyer at the time.

 

[Chablis]

Without a doubt, IMO, it was a sly move to get in good with Ron... we have to remember: secondary to Cobra being down there for the publicity, he was also working under the direction of KP, Crystal's lawyer at the time.

Exactly, and if you listen to these tapes, you hear Cobra stroking Rons ego so much, that there are times where Cobra wont understand what Ron is even talking about but Ronald asks him questions, and Cobra answers in ways that make Ron look big and bad, and Ron actually has to correct him and be like, no man, and explain what he is even talking about.
jmo

 

[Elphaba]

Joe and how he is holding the gun: I've heard it called "peacocking"... it's all show in an attempt to look like a "bad a$$". This hand position has long been glamorized by the movies... and when people in the real world do it to try to look all "cool" like they see in the movies, they just end up looking plain silly. In reality, the recoil would probably kick his scrawny tail, and his hitting accuracy would be off.

 

[SoSueMe]

ron: you know what?

cobra: huh? I AM. I AM… I work for (unintelligble) boys.

ron: well were gonna be um, everybody is gonna subpeoned to court
including john merchant who is the lead detective in this…

cobra: yeah, what did he do?

ron: he has no… he is the lead detective in this case.

cobra: which one got caught with some pot and coke in his car and got
pulled of the case and put on desk job, is that merchant?

ron: no

cobra: no, who was that, do you know who that was?

ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know

Funny, I can't find any information of someone taken off the case due to their involvement with drugs. Imagine that.

 

[Concerned Papa]

"I know who my friends are," he said. "Three of my best friends are helping me. Terry Shoemaker, Dan Mowrey and Brandon Beardsley."

http://staugustine.com/news/2009-09-23/waiting-haleigh

ron: you know what else, my best friend is black.

Uh........Never mind.

 

[Chablis]

It seems to me Ron, him crowing about his 3 best friends, I mean give me a break, do they go way back to high school or something? I get the feeling that Ronald seriously wants the murder trial to begin. Hes hiring criminal defense lawyers, he has to know Misty is going to break eventually and implicate him, I am sure Ronald has played out the what is he going to do situation everyday in his head for 16 months now or so, because he will take this to trial I suspect if he is arrested for anything related to HaLeigh. And I really do think he knows its coming.

jmo

 

[1Chump]

Just was bringing this post over to show that the fight over stolen gun was NOT day before Haleigh went missing(as some were stating it was) but rather a couple weeks before. Which I believe would be easy to figure out by just whats said in these Cobra tapes. Ron states it occurred the 1st time he met him, I think said within the 1st 3days of Joe's visit&his visit was for a couple weeks... Regardless by reading this post below it seems to have been misconstrued in the beginning also(that it occurred the day before Haleigh missing).. Just thought this may shed a little more light onto when it took place...

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According to Ron, the day the gun was stolen and the day the fight over the gun happened were two different days. The gun was stolen within 3 days of Joe getting there but the fight happened the day Joe left. Ron found the gun in the culvert, retrieved it but did not tell anyone. The fight was over Joe leaving with the gun because no one knew that Ron had it back.

ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after.. i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?

 

[gngr~snap]

It seems to me Ron, him crowing about his 3 best friends, I mean give me a break, do they go way back to high school or something? I get the feeling that Ronald seriously wants the murder trial to begin. Hes hiring criminal defense lawyers, he has to know Misty is going to break eventually and implicate him, I am sure Ronald has played out the what is he going to do situation everyday in his head for 16 months now or so, because he will take this to trial I suspect if he is arrested for anything related to HaLeigh. And I really do think he knows its coming.

jmo

~BBM
if RC was raised in Putnam Co. it is odd that he does not have some friendships that go way back.. maybe not...

 

[Concerned Papa]

These Cobra tapes are yet another venue for Ronald Cummings to push his tale of “Joe and the Alligators” which he alleges to have occurred during the coldest time of the year in Putnam County, Florida:

ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr. tommy… and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son… at that dock… it got dark… that dock got swamped with alligators… he told me, he said holy ** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!

ron: you know what?

ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect **ing place to kill somebody…

ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.

He even goes so far as to tell Cobra he thinks this is where his daughter is probably at:

ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.

Later, in a conversation somewhat reminiscent of a Laurel and Hardy movie, Mr Cummings proceeds to attempt to “educate” Cobra with the extent of his “knowledge” about alligators:

ron: let me tell you this… did you know that gators… burrow?

cobra: yes.

ron: they make burrows?

cobra: i know exactly what gators do man, I`m from Miami!

ron: …and well th-th-they make burrows where there`s air pockets on top...

cobra: …and they`ll push that mud back in their house.

ron: and they will push their prey (cobra talk over) even if it was a…. thank you, thank you!

cobra: …i know brother, man, i am a hillbilly, bro… i`m 52 years old… i`ve been doin` this a couple days. (laugh)

Closing out this conversation is, what has become, my favorite Ronald Cummings quote:

ron: well, i`m half your age and you can see that i have…

ron: i have a lot more knowledge than most mf`n fools.

To try and get a better understanding of the in-depth knowledge professed by Mr Cummings and the role it could have played in this gruesome tale being implied by him regarding Cousin Joe and the alligators, I did a little research. Imagine my absolute shock when I read what the State of Florida Wildlife Commission has to say about alligators and temperatures below 70 degrees:

Alligators are ectothermic -- they rely on external sources of heat to regulate their body temperature. They stop feeding when the ambient temperature drops below approximately 70° F (21° C). Alligators are dormant throughout much of the winter season. During this time, they can be found in burrows (or "dens") that they construct adjacent to an alligator hole or open water

http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/alligator_facts.htm

This tells me all I need to know about Ronald Cummings and his tale.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Concerned Papa, This means that the dock couldn't have gotten swamped with alligators at that time of year, therefore Jo wouldn't have made such a statement - right?

 

[Wendy101]

According to Ron, the day the gun was stolen and the day the fight over the gun happened were two different days. The gun was stolen within 3 days of Joe getting there but the fight happened the day Joe left. Ron found the gun in the culvert, retrieved it but did not tell anyone. The fight was over Joe leaving with the gun because no one knew that Ron had it back.

ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after.. i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?

BBM: Oh My!

cobra: hank, who is hank?

ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad. he said mf you piece of s*** i know you got that gun

cobra: to you?

ron: nah, to joe. if you got that gun, you`re not leavin… cuz he said i`m leavin for for tennessee… i`m getting the f outta here. he said well you mf if you got it, you aint taking it with you, i`ll promise you that. wherever it`s at is where it will be.

cobra: oh joe confrontated his … i mean, uh hank got on his

ron: hank was already on his … hank had been on his all night. 5:30
in the morning, and hank… powwwwww! give it up b**** where is the gun?

cobra: no s**** da*n! x-man X-man mf`r

ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…

cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?

ron: big hank in a wheelchair.

cobra: oh! he`s a bad mf`r, yeah… he`s alright, he`s a cool dude man…
i bought him a pack of cigarettes.

ron: here`s the thing came in the house at 6 o clock and told joe…

unknown: ( unintelligible interruption )

Sorry I had to post all that BUT wasn't HANK SR in the hospital the day Joe left town?

 

[bessie]

Concerned Papa, This means that the dock couldn't have gotten swamped with alligators at that time of year, therefore Jo wouldn't have made such a statement - right?

Actually, nomoresorrow, Ron attributed that statement to Tommy. I know CP will answer for himself when he comes back around, but the answer is no. Alligators would not have "swamped the dock" in February. That's ludicrous, and here's the link to the "alligator" thread with numerous references that explain why.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103670&highlight=alligator

BBM: Oh My!

cobra: hank, who is hank?

ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad. he said mf you piece of s*** i know you got that gun

cobra: to you?

ron: nah, to joe. if you got that gun, you`re not leavin… cuz he said i`m leavin for for tennessee… i`m getting the f outta here. he said well you mf if you got it, you aint taking it with you, i`ll promise you that. wherever it`s at is where it will be.

cobra: oh joe confrontated his … i mean, uh hank got on his

ron: hank was already on his … hank had been on his all night. 5:30
in the morning, and hank… powwwwww! give it up b**** where is the gun?

cobra: no s**** da*n! x-man X-man mf`r

ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…

cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?

ron: big hank in a wheelchair.

cobra: oh! he`s a bad mf`r, yeah… he`s alright, he`s a cool dude man…
i bought him a pack of cigarettes.

ron: here`s the thing came in the house at 6 o clock and told joe…

unknown: ( unintelligible interruption )

Sorry I had to post all that BUT wasn't HANK SR in the hospital the day Joe left town?

He was released from the hospital on the day Joe left.

 

[Wendy101]

Actually, nomoresorrow, Ron attributed that statement to Tommy. I know CP will answer for himself when he comes back around, but the answer is no. Alligators would not have "swamped the dock" in February. That's ludicrous, and here's the link to the "alligator" thread with numerous references that explain why.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103670&highlight=alligator

He was released from the hospital on the day Joe left.

So according to Ronald Hank Sr was there at 5:30 in the morning, Joe was saying he was leaving town- and Hank Sr. told in in not so very nice words that he wasn't, until he gave that gun back.

Joe went home the same day that 911 call was made, I assume after he hung flyers. That would have been the 10th.

So wouldn't that mean that Ronald is saying Hank Sr was there on the 9th at 5:30 in the morning? It can't be the 10th cause Haleigh was already reported missing.

Somebody, please help me make sense of this...

p.s. IIRC, there was an insurance letter here, regarding Hank Sr's stay at the hospital, I thought it said he was released on tht 13th.... does anyone have that letter?

 

[bessie]

So according to Ronald Hank Sr was there at 5:30 in the morning, Joe was saying he was leaving town- and Hank Sr. told in in not so very nice words that he wasn't, until he gave that gun back.

Joe went home the same day that 911 call was made, I assume after he hung flyers. That would have been the 10th.

So wouldn't that mean that Ronald is saying Hank Sr was there on the 9th at 5:30 in the morning? It can't be the 10th cause Haleigh was already reported missing.

Somebody, please help me make sense of this...

p.s. IIRC, there was an insurance letter here, regarding Hank Sr's stay at the hospital, I thought it said he was released on tht 13th.... does anyone have that letter?

The case calendar shows Hank's accident as Feb. 7th and his release from the hospital as Feb. 11th. If Ron was telling the truth, then the incident obviously occurred prior to Feb. 7th. Joe might've said he was leaving town, but he didn't. Why? Who knows.

Maybe he was angry because he felt like Ron and Hank, Sr. were ganging up on him, so he said he was getting the * out of there. Maybe he didn't take Ron's gun. Maybe Ron was setting up Joe to take the fall for a crime he committed with the gun. Maybe Joe handled the gun when Ron showed it to him, so his prints were on it. Maybe Tommy's prints were on it, too. Maybe Ron didn't hide it in the culvert, but planted it there. He wouldn't report the gun stolen because he didn't want to involve LE. But if anything came up later, he'd have all the Croslins saying that Joe stole Ron's gun. Those are just some thoughts I have about the gun.

I tend to believe an altercation did take place because Hank, Jr. makes reference to it in the first of the Tommy tapes released on May 22nd. What I do not believe is that the incident with Ron, Joe, and the gun had any direct bearing on Haleigh's death.

 

[Concerned Papa]

It seems to me Ron, him crowing about his 3 best friends, I mean give me a break, do they go way back to high school or something? I get the feeling that Ronald seriously wants the murder trial to begin. Hes hiring criminal defense lawyers, he has to know Misty is going to break eventually and implicate him, I am sure Ronald has played out the what is he going to do situation everyday in his head for 16 months now or so, because he will take this to trial I suspect if he is arrested for anything related to HaLeigh. And I really do think he knows its coming.

jmo

Well now. FINALLY! After almost 16 months, you've found something that I can completely agree with Ronald Cummings on.

I'm ready for his trial to begin also.

 

[TrialAddict]

Maybe I missed them, but are there any tapes, of Cobra and Ron that have Ron talking more about finding Haleigh, then about all the a gun? Are there any that Ron talks about how much he is hurting and needs everyone's help finding her? Are there any tapes anywhere with Ron talking to anyone that have finding Haleigh as his main interest?

Other then his media interviews, where he really only says he needs to talk about finding his daughter or this is about finding her, when he is asked a question he doesn't want to answer. IMO

 

[Chablis]

Maybe I missed them, but are there any tapes, of Cobra and Ron that have Ron talking more about finding Haleigh, then about all the a gun? Are there any that Ron talks about how much he is hurting and needs everyone's help finding her? Are there any tapes anywhere with Ron talking to anyone that have finding Haleigh as his main interest?

Other then his media interviews, where he really only says he needs to talk about finding his daughter or this is about finding her, when he is asked a question he doesn't want to answer. IMO

I have seen an interview where he says he wants closure! What a terrible thing to even say when there wasn't even a body, or a confession, its like he done gave up!

But, I already knew he gave up because I listened to this tape, and listened to a Dad of a missing 5 year old toss it out there that his daughter is "probably" with the gators, and he seemed pretty unaffected by that terrible thought that would bring most parents to their knees.

Its really terrifying to me, I cringe when I think of his kids and what they saw.

jmo

 

[Beatrice]

BBM:

cobra: no s**** da*n! x-man X-man mf`r

ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…

cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?

ron: big hank in a wheelchair.

Hank...X-Man? Ecstacy dealer?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=x-man

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

Well now. FINALLY! After almost 16 months, you've found something that I can completely agree with Ronald Cummings on.

I'm ready for his trial to begin also.

ITA with you on this CP! I really have to wonder if Florida's DCF has followed this case; if they've heard these tapes then they would certainly have to know that Ronald lived a lifestyle that endangered his children's lifes, contrary to what he depicted to them (lies, lies, lies). It must be evident to them at this point that Ronald lied to them when questioned about HaLeigh and Jr's home life and living arrangement. At the very least, Ronald should be charged with endangering his children. These children lived in a terrorist war zone for God's sake and a little girl who didn't do anything to deserve this lost her life because of it! Where is the accountablity here?!
JMHO ~