CocoaMom's Church Theory

[Truthwillsetufree]

Dry ice would work in a cooler and the Anthonys had plenty of them. Wonder if she bought a cooler somewhere in that time frame.

She bought something at JCPenney that has some significance, so much so LE wanted details and I do not believe it was jewelry.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Bolded by me

Just to add to this, there was also that jogger that was murdered in BP on June 10th. After that happened, LE was patrolling that park pretty heavily to try to find the killer, who they suspect was a homeless person that lived back in the woods. They still haven't caught him. And, this was all over the news at that time, so I doubt she hadn't heard about it. So, with that in mind, it would be incredibly reckless for her to be in that park disposing of a body at night. The likelihood that she would've been caught by LE, or else attacked by the murderer should have been weighing in on her mind. Maybe it was and she just didn't care, or thought she was above being caught. Who knows?

KC knew about it because she mentions it when she is talking to LE at Universal, when they went to go to KC's "office".

 

[Pink Panther]

KC knew about it because she mentions it when she is talking to LE at Universal, when they went to go to KC's "office".

She totally got a "kick" out of mentioning it too and went so far as to suggest that her mother didn't want her going to that area as a result of the murder.

 

[cocoamom]

Oh I love you David918 and your wealth of information but you are such a hard head!!:banghead:

I was there at Blanchard, yes there is a neighborhood and apartments and all that jazz that back up to the park - all bordered by a 5 foot fence with barbed wire on top. I searched Saturday with TES on the East side of the park from Rouse Rd all the way West of the YMCA. During break and down time I kept going. I walked and looked and looked. There is a gate that is locked about when the Y closes I guess right where the Rouse Rd entrance dumps into the Y parking lot area. Not accessible except by foot and nowhere to park. All of the ways in from the opposite side of the river - trails, roads, etc are blocked with high fences with barbed wire. Some cut fences and some areas with poor maintenance of fences but still difficult foot only access.

I was lead to the church by ping maps (gotta give the credit here Georgia PI thank you) up to the 30th. I was pretty much of the mindset that dumping and visiting were complete by then as she had no vehicle other than Tony's and his was clean according to cops and dogs.

I studied (BondJamesBond's) post from a few days ago and saw the excessive -not bouncing from towers - steady time at the West tower, not the East you are talking about on various days - 16th, 17th, 24th and other dates I think? I looked for out of the way areas that she wouldn't be seen where she could talk, text, sleep, etc and found the church. There are other ways in and around the church (easy exit if someone is coming), she was flaunting stolen clothing and sunglasses and I thought the rosary and cross necklace stuff might be some kind of indicator. Wouldn't it just be like her to make Blanchard Park references to throw everyone off but still have them searching like crazy right near where Caylee really is?? THAT'S what started this thread. She's lazy and this is easy and sorta smart!

I personally think the tattoo was nothing more than memorializing Caylee as a beautiful life so she would always think about her (and possibly how cool it was to get away with this). Mom didn't like Hispanics right - so put it there in Spanish just to make mom mad (is it Spanish or another language did we ever figure that out?). Flowers and vine right? Not water, might indicate a flowery/woodsy setting.

I truly believe what she did after the 30th was celebrate her new found freedom (GAG)...

 

[cocoamom]

Everybody go watch NASA TV or the news - LAST NIGHT LAUNCH OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE EVER IN 5 MINUTES!!!!

You will most likely never see this again ! Woo hoo!!

 

[TURBOTHINK]

nope. there are two entrances to blanchard...dean road or rousse rd. both gates are closed during those hours.

I found another road when I was down there. Let me see if I can find it on a map. There was no gate.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Everybody go watch NASA TV or the news - LAST NIGHT LAUNCH OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE EVER IN 5 MINUTES!!!!

You will most likely never see this again ! Woo hoo!!

I love this !! In '99 when we were at the house on Merritt Island we saw a night launch and it lit up the sky like daylight. We had a big party in the yard to watch it and it lit up the sky like daylight.

I had REALLY wanted to stay for this launch but couldn't work it out.

GOOD JOB COCOAMOM!!!!

 

[KellioPSL]

David918,
In Amy's le interview pages 18 and 19 she talks about kc texting her and asking "Can i borrow you and your gas can" Amy thought it had been on the 30th of June, but it was really on 6/29/08 at 10:25 am. Amy goes on in her le interview to say that kc picked her up driving tone jeep, and Amy bought her a gas can at trgt and filled it up with gas. kc's car had already been abandoned and towed to J's tow yard. ga filed a le report on 6/24/08 about the 2 full gas cans. He told le that they were stolen on the 22nd. I think that was just a guess on his part. I believe they were stolen by kc on the 18th that would fit with the neighbor seeing the car backed into the driveway. The le report also stated the lock on the shed was broken, shovel maybe borrowed from the neighbor on this date. Text message #884 and #885. I have always thought the most important days in this case are 6/15/08 dod, 6/18/08 dump date, and 6/29/08 or 6/30/08 burn a second time with third gas can. What are your thoughts?

 

[mom_of_five]

Everybody go watch NASA TV or the news - LAST NIGHT LAUNCH OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE EVER IN 5 MINUTES!!!!

You will most likely never see this again ! Woo hoo!!

We all got to see it -- awesome!

 

[LI_Mom]

Hope for the Best[/B]

Just to add to this, there was also that jogger that was murdered in BP on June 10th. After that happened, LE was patrolling that park pretty heavily to try to find the killer, who they suspect was a homeless person that lived back in the woods. They still haven't caught him. And, this was all over the news at that time, so I doubt she hadn't heard about it. So, with that in mind, it would be incredibly reckless for her to be in that park disposing of a body at night. The likelihood that she would've been caught by LE, or else attacked by the murderer should have been weighing in on her mind. Maybe it was and she just didn't care, or thought she was above being caught. Who knows?

Or.... if she is totally diabolical & SO angry at her mother.... could she have dropped Caylee off at this dark & dangerous park & walked away a free woman??

But then we're back to the dead body in her car. Nevermind.

And didn't her friends say she WASN'T a big drinker or drug user? I don't think she would be 'bold' enough to enter a dangerous park if she was straight... she's too needy & dependent on males to keep her company to do something like that, I would think.


I keep coming back to her going to a private but safer area to dump her baby. And maybe visiting various other sites in the coming days for other reasons.

 

[passionflower]

Since LP not allowed back at Blanchard Park.........wonder if they will try the church area???

 

[KellioPSL]

cocoamom,
When I saw the church pix I almost had a heartattack. This is exactly the type of place where I think this occurred. When I was a kid and skipped school with friends we waited in a wooded type, close area, that we knew well, for the parents to leave for work and then back to the house and let the party begin. With kc she had to have somewhere to go she wasnt just telling her parents that she worked but all of her friends also. I really wish le would search the church area and hawks hollow. I really think this is important.

 

[cocoamom]

You can technically get in on the South side of the Econ river at Econ Trail and at Harrel Rd. I believe, HOWEVER I am most sure that these would both ping the Western tower I have been talking about because once you enter, you can only go so far and you have to park. Still no positive proof though of the range of these towers or the strength of her phone battery at that time though. I could be completely wrong, and if I am, I will join others in the humble pie party!

You can't drive on the "path". I used to live at the Colonial Pointe Apartments just North of the river on Econ trail. It's really DARK and scary at both of these places after sunset. Probably why they never worried about fencing it.

The parking areas are very close to the underside of those bridges and sadly, the homeless abound. You drive up (like stupid me did in my 20s) and they run up and knock on your window asking for money!! I got a flat tire getting out of there (it's dirt and rocks and still is - checked last weekend) and drove on the rim all the way home!! I took some pics of the Econ Trail area while I was there too. Might not be a bad dumping place either if she did it during the day but that would mean LP is searching very hard in the wrong place - frustration!!

I wish we had just a few more clues from LE so we could narrow down this huge City of Orlando a BIT!! I still am very warm and fuzzy on the church though...

 

[cocoamom]

I hope I didn't make David918 mad, I was just joking and ranting - that's me! He does have some really good points even though they differ from my opinions. I was wondering if he shouldn't maybe get a Bella Vida/Blanchard Park thread going? There seemed to be a lot of interest in his points!! Way to go David918...

 

[tfrohning]

does anyone know where amy car was tow?

 

[LCoastMom]

I have always thought the most important days in this case are 6/15/08 dod, 6/18/08 dump date, and 6/29/08 or 6/30/08 burn a second time with third gas can. What are your thoughts?

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You think she returned to the dump site on 29/30 to finish/re-burn remains? An average size adult takes 2 to 3 hours to cremate in a crematorium. I'm guessing this is 'ideal' conditions. Where do you think she went to pull this off? It would have to be far enough away from civilization that the odor wouldn't attract attention but not so remote that the smoke would alert authorities.:waitasec:

How in Gods name does a woman who carried a child for 9 months, not only let the child die without calling authorities, but BURN HER CHILD'S BODY? If this theory proves true there is no punishment we can dole out that fits the naked evilness of this crime or the person who carried it out. We can only hope there is an afterlife where she will have to answer to God and everybody what she is guilty of and let her relive her time on earth in a 3rd world country where mothers routinely lose their babies due to lack of clean water and simple medicine. Let her learn what life and death is really about with no nite clubs, cell phones or laptops to distract her.rayer: or :cursing:IDK.

O/T I can't get over how after all this time, with the trunk stripped, the car still reeks! Is this Caylee's way of saying don't forget me? :cry:

 

[concentric]

Maybe she's as cold as the cement cell and slabs that are her environment. Do you think she can last without breaking before the trial?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Okay there may be a sign that says park is closed but the park is still accessable from the adjoining "neighborhood" and a road to the east. I seriously doubt KC would wait until the park was open and had people around to dispose of a very small body. A child of this size would fit in some rolling suitcases or duffle bags so transporting 35 pounds while walking wouldnt really be that hard to do.

That is IT !!! I knew I found a way in which did not go through where the gates were but not knowing roads there, I could not describe how to get there. I am sure if someone like me can find a way in, someone who lives there KNOWS it.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

They were not, in his statement he said he would fall asleep while she was talking to him on the phone and it would pizz her off.

Sounds like she was "crackin" during that time.

 

[LCoastMom]

I hope I didn't make David918 mad, I was just joking and ranting - that's me! He does have some really good points even though they differ from my opinions. I was wondering if he shouldn't maybe get a Bella Vida/Blanchard Park thread going? There seemed to be a lot of interest in his points!! Way to go David918...

Oh well you know what they say if he can't take a joke! (insert I'm kidding smiley) Seriously, you didn't sound like you were attacking him so I wouldn't worry!

What a rush it must be to see this project you've worked on light up the sky and know you helped do that!!:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Have you had a chance to contact the church leader/land owner to get a search going?