Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#3

[LolaMoon08]

Pictures at link: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lementary-school/story-fnddckzi-1226537530317

What a beautiful woman with such a warm and loving face. So sad. R.I.P. Victoria Soto.

ETA: Thank you, Miss (Mrs?) Soto for protecting these children. I hope that your family feels some peace knowing that you died while saving lives. A true hero.

 

[rachaellouise]

One thing that irks me is that he shot his other in the face.that isn't a mercy killing of someone you love, that's a gory painful death to inflict.

 

[tlcya]

My son's school's security sounds very similar to this school's. Buzzer and video at main entry. Other doors locked to be unable to open from outside.

Buzz, state your business, door opens, enter. From there it is quite a distance to the office where you are to report after gaining entry.

I am a known and frequent visitor and often get stopped along the route to office by a teacher inquiring after daughter, who has moved on to middle school. If I dont report immediately to office no one comes to locate me or find me.

Saddens me that to be any safer IMO school would become more like a prison, with the goal being to keep the bad guys out rather than in.

 

[Melanie]

The 4th wasn't at school that day.




Before we get too carried away with this, let's wait to hear the details of the "altercation" or argument. People argue with schools all the time. ALL the time. Over IEPs, punishments meted out, suspensions, grades, attendance, you name it. If LE were called every time someone had an argument at the school they would drown in reports.

Having said that, since AL wasn't a student or a parent of a student at the school, I'd be interested to hear what he was doing there in the first place.

I can't wrap my head around it -- what's a 20 yo doing at a junior school? And what could he possibly be fighting with the staff about. Just speculating, but I wonder if he went there for a job? That's the only thing I can think of since his mom retired.

MOO

Mel

 

[jadejazzkayla]

from link ==> http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...on-with-school-staff-day-before-massacre?lite

bbm...

The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an "altercation" with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before (thursday)...

Three of the four staff members were killed.... The fourth staff member was not at school that day and is being interviewed

Police have also determined Lanza, 20, was not buzzed into Sandy Hook School

the school superintendent told TODAY that she (Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother) wasn’t a full-time staffer and may have been a substitute.

 

[twall]

The pieces - little by little - are being revealed. The altercation - the day before with 4 staff members (3 are now gone - so that tells me the altercation was with the Principal and Psychologist and one other person that is gone). That was Thursday - and Thursday night was the Holiday program for the children and parents. Now, CNN is reporting (don't have a link - watching the live coverage on CNN - reporter was Susan Candiotti) that he tried to buy yet another gun on Tuesday - 2 days BEFORE the altercation at the school. I'm anxiously awaiting the next press conference for possibly more on at least these two pieces.

Another question that arises for me out of this new information was how was he "out and about" alone? Mom had quit to care for him full-time - that means "watching"; knowing where the person is and what he is doing at all times. How was he able to go out Tuesday - to a gun store - to try to buy a gun? How was he able to go out again on Thursday - alone - to the school for that altercation? Where was mom? Is it possible that he had killed her much, much earlier?

And then there's the presser from this morning where it was said that "evidence - GOOD evidence has been found that will assist in the how and, more importantly, the WHY he did this".

Such a sad, dark day - my heart is heavy.





JMHO

The third adult killed was a 1st grade teacher. She died in the process of protecting her students. Saw it on one of the shows last night, either Dateline or 20/20.

Also-Saturday, 1:07 p.m.
NBC is also backing up the AP's report that Lanza had four handguns when he entered the school, plus the rifle waiting outside. CNN is reporting he also had three rifles at a second location.

NBC previously reported Lanza tried to buy another rifle last week at a sporting goods store, but ultimately didn't because of the state's waiting period.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/newtown-connecticut-school-shooting/59999/

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I can't wrap my head around it -- what's a 20 yo doing at a junior school? And what could he possibly be fighting with the staff about. Just speculating, but I wonder if he went there for a job? That's the only thing I can think of since his mom retired.

MOO

Mel

Or...............

maybe mom was trying to go back to work? Had she applied and been denied? Or........... did he NOT WANT mom to go back to work and that was the argument?

To me, it is obvious that there was a serious connection for him with his mom and this school - what his "stand" or reasons for it are still not known.




JMHO

 

[jjenny]

So, on the possible "altercation with four school staffers" (and thanks for the link you guys) thing, would the school have neglected to notify LE about it? Interesting.

There are lots of altercations nobody notifies LE about.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Most recent New York Times article:

Nation Reels After Gunman Massacres 20 Children at School in Connecticut

It says the Nancy Lanza worked at the school and the principal buzzed him in because she recognized him as Mrs. Lanza's son.

This is incorrect info, as it has been confirmed that Adam Lanza either shot the glass window out, or used a piece of glass to break the window, to gain access to the school.

 

[jjenny]

Or...............

maybe mom was trying to go back to work? Had she applied and been denied? Or........... did he NOT WANT mom to go back to work and that was the argument?

To me, it is obvious that there was a serious connection for him with his mom and this school - what his "stand" or reasons for it are still not known.




JMHO

Maybe mom was trying to get him some job there? I haven't heard anything about him working or going to school.

 

[flipflop]

From the article:
I don't mean to be harsh because the mother is a victim, but I can't deny my opinion: you shouldn't take a mentally disturbed kid target shooting.

Or let them play violent video games like Call of Duty....but he was 20 yrs old and could have done any of these things on his own.

 

[JBean]

I saw an interview this morning with a guy who was a very high up security specialist. He said this school was very secure and that system was about as good as it gets for schools.

IMO it's hard to stop evil.

I concur kimberlyd125.

The sad irony is that the principal herself implemented the new security system.
All reports say he forced his way in- so all security systems are only as strong as their weakest link. This system is to keep people from wandering in and to have a good idea who is on your campus at all times. It is not designed for mass murderers that are willing to break windows,jump fences or otherwise invade the campus in the most aggressive and brutal ways. I don't think there is any school set up to fend against this kind of attack.
jmho of course

She also dove into her work, quickly asserting her leadership and implementing a number of initiatives affecting the school's nearly 700 students from about 500 families.
One of them was overseeing the installation of a new security system requiring every visitor to ring the front entrance's doorbell after the doors locked at 9:30 a.m. If they were buzzed into the front office, parents would be asked for photo identification

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ok-principal-security-measures_n_2303520.html

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

If he was in an altercation at the school the day before then there is going to be a lot of questions and potential finger pointing from that.

AND lawsuits. Which is exactly why LE has to take painstaking measures when processing the crime scene. It's unfortunate, but the bodies could only be removed when all the processing was done.

 

[tlcya]

While initial reports suggested principal Mrs Hochsprung buzzed Lanza into the building - bypassing the newly-installed security system - police have confirmed that the shooter forced his way in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...acre--dead-fourth-wasnt-school-yesterday.html

Wondering how you force your way ithrough a locked commercial door.

Awaiting more details.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Or...............

maybe mom was trying to go back to work? Had she applied and been denied? Or........... did he NOT WANT mom to go back to work and that was the argument?

To me, it is obvious that there was a serious connection for him with his mom and this school - what his "stand" or reasons for it are still not known.




JMHO

This makes the most sense to me at the moment. Mom tried to go back to work (whether son wanted her to or not) and was either refused a position in some way or was going back to work. Son shows up at the school to get into a verbal altercation with staff members (for whatever reason; though it seems to be related to mom in some way). Goes home. Gets into an altercation with mom. Kills mom. Then goes back to the school, blaming them for his killing his mom, and going on a rampage.

Why he turned on the children, I don't know? He obviously came armed to do maximum damage. What I can not understand is what the children/mom connection is? If there was even one?

 

[flipflop]

Thanks for the bolded part. Maybe LE was called and they showed up to his house and that turned into a argument with his mother and he killed her. Then, realizing what he did, he blamed the school for his killing her and went back to make them pay for what the did (in his mind).

MOO

Also heard he was trying to buy a gun 3 days prior....hmmm

 

[gngr~snap]

I can't wrap my head around it -- what's a 20 yo doing at a junior school? And what could he possibly be fighting with the staff about. Just speculating, but I wonder if he went there for a job? That's the only thing I can think of since his mom retired.

MOO

Mel

He very well may have???

Substitute teacher maybe?
Even then he would have to go through the school system.
Not just go to the school and apply?
hmm...
http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/Employment/tabid/5663/Default.aspx

 

[ami]

While initial reports suggested principal Mrs Hochsprung buzzed Lanza into the building - bypassing the newly-installed security system - police have confirmed that the shooter forced his way in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...acre--dead-fourth-wasnt-school-yesterday.html

Wondering how you force your way ithrough a locked commercial door.

Awaiting more details.

There was apparently a glass window next to the door.

 

[SwampMama]

With all of the talk about securing the schools and entrances and exits and bulletproof glass, you also have to keep in mind that many of these "safety precautions" could also become a deadly firetrap if there is a fire at the school.


As for the "altercation" at the school, with Adam before the shootings.... could he have been scoping the place out, observing what he would need to do and when??

Also HOW did he get to the school on the day of the "altercation"? He drove his mom cars when he did the shooting but did he have a car or driver's license? Not that we have heard of.

 

[Donjeta]

The third adult killed was a 1st grade teacher. She died in the process of protecting her students. Saw it on one of the shows last night, either Dateline or 20/20.

Also-Saturday, 1:07 p.m.
NBC is also backing up the AP's report that Lanza had four handguns when he entered the school, plus the rifle waiting outside. CNN is reporting he also had three rifles at a second location.

NBC previously reported Lanza tried to buy another rifle last week at a sporting goods store, but ultimately didn't because of the state's waiting period.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/newtown-connecticut-school-shooting/59999/

I wonder if he might have been planning this for a while...