Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[Ruby Sue]

These are my neighbors,

Too close for comfort IMHO

I hear you. I lived in near there too for a short bit. :grouphug:

 

[tiredblondy]

I wanted to post excerpts from the following article.

I think this is what is wrong with our nation. We have to improve the mental health care! We have too. I remember being in Graduate School in the 80's. The head of the dept was sitting there reading the paper and said what a crisis it will be when those services where cut and these people were put out on the street. His words have haunted me for years..

This is an article written by a lady who has a child who will could be a danger to others at some point . This is what she lives with daily.please read the whole article...this is just a small part..think about this child's siblings pray for this mother and all the others who are going through this...thanks to palaminodee for posting the link here the other day.

http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.
“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid *****. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid *****. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to.

I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated .....

Another small part. of the article..

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

please read the rest of the article it is truly enlightening!

 

[rolltidemom]

BREAKING NEWS:

Connecticut police say Newtown shooting's school pupils being moved elsewhere,
school unlikely to be used again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

It should be demolished and a memorial park built for the victims

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[JBean]

Which laws make it illegal to give any information that doesn't come straight from the LE department?

I think the reference is to those perpetuating online hoaxes or intentionally misleading the public. Using different hats to present themselves as others and give out bad information.

 

[wfgodot]

Wonder if he was on a social media site?

You're right. Specific threats in social media should always be attended to. But editorial speech and opinion in general, no matter its coarseness, should always be protected.

 

[Trident]

Who knows why some kids thrive under certain environments, while other kids sink in the same. It's interesting, though, isn't it? Because she does have other kids who aren't suffering in this way, so we can't blame parenting style alone in her case, can we? Should we dismiss one more mom who needs help as simply a bad mother? I think that's the new flavor of mental illness: where did mom go wrong? No wonder we, as mothers, are so likely to be in denial about our own child's challenges.

I have a step brother like described in that article. We all had very similar life and discipline. He was diagnosed as bipolar at 8, which is very young. He was in and out of mental hospitals. Now, as a young man, he's on anti-psychotics and his diagnosis is schizophrenia, just like his biological father he's never met. He does so very well with the support of his church family, as long as he stays on his medication. What's the explanation there, if his siblings were all able to manage and thrive with our shared disciplinary background, if not mental health?

I understand you are saying that in YOUR case it is behavioral and not physiological. I respect that because I don't know your situation, and I've certainly seen that happen myself. Trust me, I have, especially when I was teaching. When I read that article, my knee jerk reaction was to scream at her re: what *I* would have done differently. I get it.

I don't think it's fair of you (or me) to summarize that every family who has these struggles is dealing with a purely behavioral issue, though. Mental illness IS real. It happens to families of all walks of life, and all parenting models.

BBM, well, yes I can. My grandson has two other siblings without the same problems - BUT - they WERE treated differently, maybe because they were girls and not as rambunctious. I also do not recall them being driven to the jail as a scare tactic. I also don't remember them being taken to a psychiatrist when they were about 7, then beaten and sat in a corner. At that point the parents enjoyed beating the child. A little tap would have worked when he was young, but, not, they didn't believe in it, they only believed in it when he got older and totally out of hand.

None of us live with the children we know or teach. Teachers, especially, can only go by what they are told by the parents, or God forbid, a social worker. No one lives in that home, so no one knows. I believe a lot of children are ruined early on by a lack of love, or discipline, or attention.

Sometimes I would presume to tell people what I would do differently. They can take it or leave it. What I really object to is blaming the child when it's really too late to do much about it except wail, whine, or pay the doctor.

Not all of my kids turned out well, but they didn't act out until they were grown and out of my house. I may have been a horrible parent, who knows, but they all survived, and none of them had the cajones to threaten me.

Yikes, I do sound angry. I am angry. I'm angry about this whole mess, just not sure who I'm angry at. Fate/destiny maybe.

 

[JBean]

Please- don't post links to the sites that are perpetuating the very information that LE is trying to squash.
TIA

 

[BunnyHop]

I think the reference is to those perpetuating online hoaxes or intentionally misleading the public. Using different hats to present themselves as others and give out bad information.

MSM has posted much disinfo---------

Where do we draw the line?

 

[Donjeta]

in thread #3 there was a quote posted by one of AL friends along the lines of "When we'd play baseball, we'd have to make sure he didn't fall and hurt himself b/c he can't feel pain."

Has anything else came out about that?
My first thought was cipa, but there are very few people with that disorder. I suppose other things could cause someone to have a very high tolerance for pain...

There was also a quote from someone who worked at one of the schools he attended that said he wouldn't have known if he burned or cut himself.

Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, of which Lanza was a member, said he clearly "had some disabilities."

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia said in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that."

At least to some extent, sensory hyposensitivity may simply be a feature of Asperger or autism if he in fact had that.

Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders such as autism or Asperger's syndrome see their world in a very different way. The filtering mechanism in their brains often works in a different way in assimilating the senses such as touch, smell, hearing, taste and sight. They may be extremely sensitive to some senses and find seemingly routine events fascinating - the patterns of light on a wall, or the rustling leaves in the wind. The autistic child may also be unresponsive to sensations that their parents find unpleasant, such as extreme heat, cold or pain.

http://www.autism-help.org/comorbid-sensory-problems.htm

 

[legalmania]

Which laws make it illegal to give any information that doesn't come straight from the LE department?

You have to hear his entire statement. If you are acting like you are somebody else that is illegal, if you are threatening people that is illegal. If you are giving false information that is illegal. So it is would be wise to check your facts before you start repeating rumors, by going to the website you can check your facts.

 

[trigger]

I can't stop weeping~~~~~~~~~~~

Hugs to you.....I cried all day yesterday even when I found out my grandson is coming home for the Holidays. He is offically a Marine now!!


:seeya: Oh and im your neighbor.


Heres a group hug.....:grouphug:

 

[Donjeta]

You have to hear his entire statement. If you are acting like you are somebody else that is illegal, if you are threatening people that is illegal. If you are giving false information that is illegal. So it is would be wise to check your facts before you start repeating rumors, by going to the website you can check your facts.

Okay, I get all that but I don't think that giving information that doesn't come straight from LE is synonymous with fraud, threats, pretending to be somebody else or even giving false information or repeating rumors.

 

[BunnyHop]

Hugs to you.....I cried all day yesterday even when I found out my grandson is coming home for the Holidays. He is offically a Marine now!!


:seeya: Oh and im your neighbor.


Heres a group hug.....:grouphug:

Best to you and yours!

:great:

 

[jjenny]

Which laws make it illegal to give any information that doesn't come straight from the LE department?

I don't know. And is far as I know, giving out false information (lying) is only illegal if you are filing a police report or under oath.

 

[wfgodot]

Okay, I get all that but I don't think that giving information that doesn't come straight from LE is synonymous with fraud, threats, pretending to be somebody else or even giving false information or repeating rumors.

^ this

Agreed a hundred percent. If we are no more than mouthpieces for government agencies we indeed have surrendered our rights of speech.

 

[JBean]

MSM has posted much disinfo---------

Where do we draw the line?

Stick to MSM, but read the substance of the report too. There is a difference between creating bad information intentionally and reporting erroneous information.

In an effort to get our news out there 24/7 many news agencies scour the internet for information and post what they find. There is no time or mechanism to fact check because the information has not been released yet by LE.

So for facts we need to stick to the reports by the Chief and DIRECT LE Quotes- not "sources say" or "LE says". Those comments have to be taken with a grain of salt and information will be proven true- or not-as the story evolves.

If an MSM site is reporting on a hoax site- leave it off the board. We don;t want to perpetuate and create fact from fiction.

HTH.

 

[legalmania]

Okay, I get all that but I don't think that giving information that doesn't come straight from LE is synonymous with fraud, threats, pretending to be somebody else or even giving false information or repeating rumors.

If your saying I don't think the kids should go back to school tomorrow of course not, but if you say something that is going to lead to an active investigation than don't say it. It's basically use common sense.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

BBM, well, yes I can. My grandson has two other siblings without the same problems - BUT - they WERE treated differently, maybe because they were girls and not as rambunctious. I also do not recall them being driven to the jail as a scare tactic. I also don't remember them being taken to a psychiatrist when they were about 7, then beaten and sat in a corner. At that point the parents enjoyed beating the child. A little tap would have worked when he was young, but, not, they didn't believe in it, they only believed in it when he got older and totally out of hand.

None of us live with the children we know or teach. Teachers, especially, can only go by what they are told by the parents, or God forbid, a social worker. No one lives in that home, so no one knows. I believe a lot of children are ruined early on by a lack of love, or discipline, or attention.

Sometimes I would presume to tell people what I would do differently. They can take it or leave it. What I really object to is blaming the child when it's really too late to do much about it except wail, whine, or pay the doctor.

Not all of my kids turned out well, but they didn't act out until they were grown and out of my house. I may have been a horrible parent, who knows, but they all survived, and none of them had the cajones to threaten me.

Yikes, I do sound angry. I am angry. I'm angry about this whole mess, just not sure who I'm angry at. Fate/destiny maybe.

I'm trying to understand- you live with your daughter and grandchild then? Because you're saying nobody really knows or understands unless they live what the child lives. And, fwiw, I did live with my step brother of whom I spoke. Until he was about 16 or 17 I was the only one who could calm him.

Listen, I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you. I acknowledged and validated your experience. What more can I do? What position are you wanting me to concede on?

Want me to say that all issues a child has is 100% behavioral and disciplinary? I can't. I'm a grad student studying neuroscience. I would never make such a definitive statement, there are too many variables when it comes to the human brain and experience.

I've acknowledged and validated your experience. I've only suggested that we consider mental health a real issue, that can effect even the very best of parents. If you disagree with that, and think it's entirely the parents' fault, than we simply disagree. And that's ok.

 

[flipflop]

Maybe most of any time left in classes this year will be spent in counseling the children and staff? :therethere: I can't imagine that any real school work can be done in the next week.

JMO

Wow, going back this week. If this is really happening, parents should attend school with the children this week. It would be theraputic for the families to try and discover a bit of security together. Baby steps I know. I really don't know if I could drop off my child at school after this tragedy. I would want to stay with them, to see that he or she is safe. Im not sure how many kids could leave their parents side to return to school. It is just one more week until christmas break, hopefully these families can find peace.

 

[believe09]

Okay, I get all that but I don't think that giving information that doesn't come straight from LE is synonymous with fraud, threats, pretending to be somebody else or even giving false information or repeating rumors.

Intentionally or not, perpetuating false information obstructs the investigation. In this particular case, when you have all hands on deck, diverting resources to run down the origin or intent of the false information wastes time, energy and money.

So if people dont do it, they wont be prosecuted. Typically, at least in my experience, LE lets it go. In this case, they dont want to let it go. They want it to stop.

They are horror stricken and pissed off as well. They are dealing with multiple immense crime scenes and a huge number of victims. On top of that, they need to brief the media, threaten civilians who are perpetuating misinformation and deal with a presidential visit...not to mention the governor and the LT governor who have chosen to be on scene.

They have families. They have children, nieces, nephews and grandchildren. They may know the families of the victims, and if Mom was a survivalist, you can bet they already know her. ATF is probably working these crime scenes as well-of course they want to know the origin of the weapons and whose hands touched them before AL did.

Hats off to them for all that they are doing and all they will be doing during this investigation. I hope they have love and support too.