GUILTY Conrad Murray Trial - Verdict Watch
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Most criminal defense lawyers will refer the appeals to an appellate specialist. Remember in the OJ case, where Alan Dershowitz was on hand as the "God Forbid" lawyer? As I posted a few days ago, in cases of re-trial (whether by mistrial or reversal on appeal), the first set of defense lawyers usually are not around the second time around. Mostly this is due to $$ considerations.
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I just re-watched the verdict and the Judge's speech why CFCM will go to jail before sentencing and why he chose without bail.
The woman host ("Christie") on InSessions just said that Conrad Murray is on suicide watch. Was that said earlier?
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Wow, Just showed a friend of CM's who says the real killer is out there somewhere.
I guess someone snuck in and knew how to murder MJ with propofol. Now that is goofy. Or other words that would get me a time out.
That's what OJ said. I believe that most celebrities make dr.appts. just like the rest of us. Only a very few have their own doctors and I believe it's for the purpose of have drugs prescribed legally. MJ's constant surgeries are evidence that he was messed up mentally and sooner or later he would have OD'd.
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InSessions Interview with C Peckman, CFCM's civil atty:
Peckman says it should have been a civil suit all along and gone to civil court (first).
Peckman said that he will call Dr Klein for the civil suit. He should have been called in the criminal suit for all he did to MJ.. the demerol, etc.
Christie: He claims those records are not his.
CP: Of course they're his. Whose else would they be? MJ was shown to go into Klein's office...
The Medical boards will take a serious look at this & will take CM's license, but we're fighting / hoping that he will be able to practice again.
Christie: Is there any way CFCM will not spend time in jail?
Peckman: Well, he's in jail now... but what a horrible cost to the CA tax payers. He should not be in jail. He is not a danger...
(Then there were technical difficulties & the interview ended abruptly.)
I missed some of the interview cuz I can't type fast & keep up.
Peckman says it should have been a civil suit all along and gone to civil court (first).
Peckman said that he will call Dr Klein for the civil suit. He should have been called in the criminal suit for all he did to MJ.. the demerol, etc.
Christie: He claims those records are not his.
CP: Of course they're his. Whose else would they be? MJ was shown to go into Klein's office...
The Medical boards will take a serious look at this & will take CM's license, but we're fighting / hoping that he will be able to practice again.
Christie: Is there any way CFCM will not spend time in jail?
Peckman: Well, he's in jail now... but what a horrible cost to the CA tax payers. He should not be in jail. He is not a danger...
(Then there were technical difficulties & the interview ended abruptly.)
I missed some of the interview cuz I can't type fast & keep up.
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Some Brilliant statements by Flanagan during his interview with Christie.
Christie: Was CM expecting this verdict?
Flanagan: Well, uhhh... it could've gone either way.
(Goes on to praise CFCM and what a great man he was in Texas, CA, etc.)
Flanagan: CM was trying to help MJ. It was hard to hear the people cheer outside when the verdict was read.
I don't they should have cheered. It was very inappropriate for them to cheer when this man was suffering. He lost his best friend.
Christie: Was CM expecting this verdict?
Flanagan: Well, uhhh... it could've gone either way.
(Goes on to praise CFCM and what a great man he was in Texas, CA, etc.)
Flanagan: CM was trying to help MJ. It was hard to hear the people cheer outside when the verdict was read.
I don't they should have cheered. It was very inappropriate for them to cheer when this man was suffering. He lost his best friend.
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More Flanagan Brilliance:
CM saved more lives than.... uhmm... errrr... the average person on the street.
He can't even make a diagnosis now.
He is not a threat ... no more a threat than... ummm... a client charged with a misdemeanor.
This should have been a civil suit only. It should have been just a malpractice suit.
Appellet argument will be about Walgren being very good at convincing the Judge to not allow
a financial statement (MJ's?), for the gag order, for some of the toxicology reports.... (and other stuff)
CM saved more lives than.... uhmm... errrr... the average person on the street.
He can't even make a diagnosis now.
He is not a threat ... no more a threat than... ummm... a client charged with a misdemeanor.
This should have been a civil suit only. It should have been just a malpractice suit.
Appellet argument will be about Walgren being very good at convincing the Judge to not allow
a financial statement (MJ's?), for the gag order, for some of the toxicology reports.... (and other stuff)
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OFGS, poor cm killed his best friend and we should feel sorry for his suffering?
:banghead::furious:
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Jean Casaras: "I was upset about the gag order too, becasuse I felt you did a very good job
and I wanted to talk to you each day and to ask you questions and compliment you... blah blah blah."
Christie: So, what was your biggest hurdle?
Flanagan: "First I want to compliment Jean (Casaras).
She understood the case & did a very good job covering the trial.
She was there and knew what she was talking about, unlike other reporters... blah blah blah.
"We have sentencing on 29th. We may or may not go for another trial."
Goes on to argue about propofol... A.G.A.I.N
Flanagan: "Was it an infusion or was it a bolus? blah blah blah"
Me: I'm sure InSessions will be showing clips of the interviews through-out the day.
And I'm sure you get the idea of what Flanagan said. Same old stuff that a lot of loser teams say!
We've been there - Done that.
Saw the movie - Have the T-shirt.
Have the posters all over my bedroom, in fact.
and I wanted to talk to you each day and to ask you questions and compliment you... blah blah blah."
Christie: So, what was your biggest hurdle?
Flanagan: "First I want to compliment Jean (Casaras).
She understood the case & did a very good job covering the trial.
She was there and knew what she was talking about, unlike other reporters... blah blah blah.
"We have sentencing on 29th. We may or may not go for another trial."
Goes on to argue about propofol... A.G.A.I.N
Flanagan: "Was it an infusion or was it a bolus? blah blah blah"
Me: I'm sure InSessions will be showing clips of the interviews through-out the day.
And I'm sure you get the idea of what Flanagan said. Same old stuff that a lot of loser teams say!
We've been there - Done that.
Saw the movie - Have the T-shirt.
Have the posters all over my bedroom, in fact.
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Dang it, I was watching another channel. If anyone saw the whole interview with Dr. White I would love to hear your impressions. TIA
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Holy Moly!
1. Flanagan needs to spend a few bucks and get his teeth fixed;
2. All these defense folks (Flanagan, White, and now the "expert" on addiction) should not be blabbing. You can bet your bottom dollar that old Dave Walgren is recording these interviews. White's interview sure did reveal a lot of interesting stuff: Murray was using saline bags as trash receptacles! OMG. If the unimaginable happens and there is a re-trial, these defense "experts" have caused some problems from themselves. Maybe they have no intention of being involved in the future. Dunno.
1. Flanagan needs to spend a few bucks and get his teeth fixed;
2. All these defense folks (Flanagan, White, and now the "expert" on addiction) should not be blabbing. You can bet your bottom dollar that old Dave Walgren is recording these interviews. White's interview sure did reveal a lot of interesting stuff: Murray was using saline bags as trash receptacles! OMG. If the unimaginable happens and there is a re-trial, these defense "experts" have caused some problems from themselves. Maybe they have no intention of being involved in the future. Dunno.
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Well, Dr. Waldman isn't coming off as arrogant as he was at trial, but then again Walgren is doing the interview.
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Vinnie Politan: Dr. are you comfortable with Dr. Murray ever praticing medicine again in this country?
Dr. Robert Waldman: No, I am not.....he should not be allowed to practice, his medical license should be revoked!
Wow, with experts like him, who needs Dr. Steinberg???!!!!
Dr. Robert Waldman: No, I am not.....he should not be allowed to practice, his medical license should be revoked!
Wow, with experts like him, who needs Dr. Steinberg???!!!!
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and 80 percent of those were written to Rush Limbaugh!!!
J/K
:floorlaugh:
(or Rush's maid)
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Just in case anyone else is curious to know how tall CM is , here ya go:http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/conrad-murray-booking-sheet/#.Trl9enJxVqg
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But remember he told police he couldn't get MJ on the floor by himself to perform CPR correctly. :furious:
MJ weighed around 135! GRRRR
Good afternoon all
There is no evidence he was "sick" though. Seems he may have slept through rehearsals from all the benzos and propofol CM was giving him. Ortega described one afternoon where he did not feel well and sent him home (6/19) and Murray basically told him to butt out so seems to me Murray knew exactly what was going on. Ortega just mentioned a couple of days he missed the week before; prior to his death and those were on days he did NOT see Dr. Klein. It was not until that week that AEG became concerned as evidenced by the phone call Frank DiLeo made to CM on 6/20.
Dr. Conrad Murray's involuntary manslaughter conviction, handed down by a Los Angeles jury Monday, carries an automatic suspension of his medical license.
"Most every state in the country will recognize that (suspension)," said FOX5 legal analyst Bob Massi.
Murray practiced cardiology at several offices nationwide, including Las Vegas. His medical license in Nevada expired on June 30, 2011 and was not renewed.
Ed Cousineau, deputy executive director of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners, told FOX5 that Murray can re-apply for his medical license; however, a felony conviction related to the practice of medicine is grounds for denial by the board.
Prior to the expiration of his Nevada license, Murray was ordered on restricted practice by the Board.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15982561/dr-murray-unlikely-to-practice-medicine-in-nevada
"Most every state in the country will recognize that (suspension)," said FOX5 legal analyst Bob Massi.
Murray practiced cardiology at several offices nationwide, including Las Vegas. His medical license in Nevada expired on June 30, 2011 and was not renewed.
Ed Cousineau, deputy executive director of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners, told FOX5 that Murray can re-apply for his medical license; however, a felony conviction related to the practice of medicine is grounds for denial by the board.
Prior to the expiration of his Nevada license, Murray was ordered on restricted practice by the Board.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/15982561/dr-murray-unlikely-to-practice-medicine-in-nevada