Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #49

[Deleted member 158085]

Not wishing to offend anybody. I have great respect for all persons in here. But what on Gods green Earth is going on in America?? I am in the UK, and over here, looking from the outside in, I am absolutely horrified at what I see on the News. All my life I have felt like the United Kingdom and the United States are Earthly cousins, bonded by the courage it takes to fight for and save innocent lives. So to see people out on the streets in protest.. totally disregarding their fellow and elderly citizens.. the ones who want to live!!. The ones who have all the correct measures in place to keep themselves from infection. Their actions are criminal. They need to realise, Lockdown is not to punish us but to save us!! Every Country in the World is in the same boat and this behaviour has not been seen in any other Country on this planet! If ever President Trump needed to prove just how great of a power he has, he should exert it right now by hauling every last protestor off to prison! Lockdown is frustrating for all persons of every country. One thing frustrates me more though and that is grown up adults who are unable to abide by simple rules. Especially when lives are at risk X
As ever peeps STAY SAFE. X

Where have you been all my life, Victoria Chambers?

 

[RANCH]

I'm responding to the idea that anyone would think this situation is sustainable, as mentioned in the post I quoted.

So much arguing....when don't we all have the same goal?
jmo

I'm not disagreeing with you, the current situation is not sustainable and our leaders understand that.

However I feel that there will be some citizens who disagree.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

What's the Spoons pub situation?

I'm not familiar with it either.

My husband works in London and he's being affected by how apocalyptic it is feeling. He said its like a ghost town, with just a few homeless people on the street in the evenings.

Where we are, it is v quiet indeed. Everything other than supermarkets shut and few cars on the road.

 

[Henry2326]

NORTH DAKOTA

RX is the highest of all states at 1.7, and was at 1.75 on March 22nd.
Positivity rate is 3.4 (very good)....below 5.
Tests per 1000 people is 15.4....needs to be 50.
Cases have not flattened but very low deaths (10).
Unfortunately, I think they are poised for an increase in cases...IMO.

It will be interesting to see what officials do in the next couple of weeks.


rt.live

No plan in sight: Test troubles cloud Trump recovery effort

Coronavirus Testing Needs to Triple Before the U.S. Can Reopen, Experts Say

COVID-19/Coronavirus Real Time Updates With Credible Sources in US and Canada | 1Point3Acres

 

[Inthedetails]

But, if you listen to the business sector, they are not ready to reopen. They want testing and safety. Leaders can say all is open, but that does not mean business as normal before the pandemic.

I don't think you realize what I'm saying.

My fault, not yours, plus the atmosphere here and everywhere to be ready to fight each other. I get it.

jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

I should have been more specific and said "cannot be sustained [even in the very short term]"

Also, I've seen Fauci say May 1 is "overly optimistic" and then there's this ilk:

Ezekiel Emanuel: U.S. Must Stay Locked Down For 12-18 Months Until There's A Vaccine

BBM The headline doesn't reflect what Emanuel "the ilk" actually said, reflects what he didn't say....."US must stay locked down". No, he didn't say that. Not your fault, but that is not what he said, nor the gist of what he said. Actually he pointed out that 60,000,000 people are still working presently to keep things going for the rest of us.
"Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications. I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice.

If we prematurely end that physical distancing and the other measures keeping it at bay, deaths could skyrocket into the hundreds of thousands if not a million. We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine. Conferences, concerts, sporting events, religious services, dinner in a restaurant, none of that will resume until we find a vaccine, a treatment, or a cure.
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"One thing I've learned as a cancer doctor is that it's wrong to paint an overly rosy picture in order to maintain a patient's hope. It's wrong because it fails. It's false. Biology and disease are formidable opponents that inevitably tell us the truth. We cannot relieve the oppression of this pandemic until we are realistic."

 

[BeckyF]

A Louisiana pastor who defied coronavirus orders is asking people to give their stimulus money to the church

A Louisiana pastor who defied coronavirus orders is asking people to give their stimulus money to the church

Does he have no shame??

 

[Deleted member 158085]

You should hear my allergy cough. I sound like I have some dread disease half the time. Jmo

This is what I fear going back to work. My allergy cough has started. But what if at some point it's not my allergies, I don't realize it, and I endanger my very high risk boss?

Yeah, no stress here.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm not familiar with it either.

My husband works in London and he's being affected by how apocalyptic it is feeling. He said its like a ghost town, with just a few homeless people on the street in the evenings.

Where we are, it is v quiet indeed. Everything other than supermarkets shut and few cars on the road.

Same here. A fair few walkers and horse riders during the day but barely any traffic. I keep hearing the church bells ringing on the hour even from inside - I usually only hear them regularly if I'm in the garden or when it has snowed.

 

[tresir2012]

What's the Spoons pub situation?

I was just going to ask the same? If it's Wetherspoons pubs they've been shut for three weeks.

 

[Henry2326]

Gotcha! Thanks, I had missed that. Most of the graphs here have the source imbedded and we here are familiar with, and I missed that the one you were speaking to did not have such.

Appreciate you taking the time to respond to my query. If I come across one, or perhaps @Henry2326 comes across R0 for canada, it can be posted with a reputable reference in the future to support or dispute. R0 changes DAILY..

@musicaljoke - David Fishman, who I noted, is the Professor of Infectious disease st University of Toronto. It's his chart. He's quite competent to do the calculations.

David Fisman on Twitter

 

[RANCH]

I should have been more specific and said "cannot be sustained [even in the very short term]"

Also, I've seen Fauci say May 1 is "overly optimistic" and then there's this ilk:

Ezekiel Emanuel: U.S. Must Stay Locked Down For 12-18 Months Until There's A Vaccine

If the lock down extends for many many months, arresting people for non compliance with not work.

In my opinion it will cause major acts of violent disobedience by a large number of people. JMO

 

[firebird]

BBM The headline doesn't reflect what he "the ilk" actually said, reflects what he didn't say....."US must stay locked down". No, he didn't say that. Not your fault, but that is not what he said, nor the gist of what he said. Actually he pointed out that 60,000,000 people are still working presently to keep things going for the rest of us.
"Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications. I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice.

If we prematurely end that physical distancing and the other measures keeping it at bay, deaths could skyrocket into the hundreds of thousands if not a million. We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine. Conferences, concerts, sporting events, religious services, dinner in a restaurant, none of that will resume until we find a vaccine, a treatment, or a cure.
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"One thing I've learned as a cancer doctor is that it's wrong to paint an overly rosy picture in order to maintain a patient's hope. It's wrong because it fails. It's false. Biology and disease are formidable opponents that inevitably tell us the truth. We cannot relieve the oppression of this pandemic until we are realistic."

No, he said that. He said we can't go back to normal until there's a vaccine, and "the experts" agree that that will take 12 to 18 months, and some say much longer:

From my link:

"Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications," e said. "I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice."

We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine.

Also, from Covid-19 vaccine in 18 months? Experts are skeptical. - CNN

Eighteen months might sound like a long time, but in vaccine years, it's a blink. That's the long end of the Trump administration's time window for developing a coronavirus vaccine, and some leaders in the field say this is too fast -- and could come at the expense of safety.

The estimated time made headlines last month, when Trump remarked at a televised Cabinet Room meeting with pharmaceutical executives that a vaccine could be ready in "three to four months." There, in front of TV cameras, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), poured cold water on Trump's estimate, saying it would be more like a year to a year and a half.

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Ever since, that estimate of 12-18 months has become gospel, its appearance in media stories ubiquitous. But medical experts and scientists with firsthand experience developing vaccines are skeptical. "Tony Fauci is saying a year to 18 months -- I think that's optimistic," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a leading expert on infectious disease and vaccine development at Baylor College of Medicine. "Maybe if all the stars align, but probably longer." Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly. "When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

 

[pocketaccent]

The ONLY good thing about this virus, is the lack of election coverage. MOO

I know with 100% certainty that I won't sweat the small stuff after this pandemic. I think the majority of people won't either. That's a very good thing.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Rulebreakers caused a lot of problems back on April 19, 1775 also according to my American History book......moo

Not remotely comparable IMO. This pandemic and everything around it is not comparable to much. Trying to glorify these protesters as akin to what our founding fathers did is disingenuous IMO.

If you support them, fine. But for goodness sakes, none of them are an Adams or a Hancock.

Again, all my opinion and not based on politics but simply this incredibly terrible and difficult situation we are in, that we are in together, as a nation, and not at war with anything but this virus.

 

[NuttMegg]

But, if you listen to the business sector, they are not ready to reopen. They want testing and safety. Leaders can say all is open, but that does not mean business as normal before the pandemic.

IMO there will be a law absolving corporations from any liability if an employee (or customer) contracts COVID 19 in their establishment.
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"Whether a company can be held liable if one of its employees infects others may depend on whether that employee can prove the virus was contracted at work, contends Daiquiri Steele, the Forrester Fellow at Tulane Law School.

“This will likely be difficult for employees because the employees bringing the claims would have to prove they contracted the virus on the job,” she says. “Because this is a pandemic, it would be difficult to ascertain where the virus was contracted.”
Can companies be held liable when their employees fall ill with the coronavirus?
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[LadyL]

These Hamilton animal charities will take care of pets of hospitalized COVID-19 patients

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/animals-1.5534867?__vfz=medium=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR0jwfNSCimO6FVWiBdxH3255LMjs_33Au0HrBle790JRTOCHx213NOhvzQ

 

[firebird]

If the lock down extends for many many months, arresting people for non compliance with not work.

In my opinion it will cause major acts of violent disobedience by a large number of people. JMO

I don't know about violent. Maybe. But there will certainly be some significant civil disobediance if things don't start easing up in the next two weeks. imo, I think that's why we're seeing some states make ever so slight adjustments already. They hope to appease in baby steps. jmo

It will be interesting to see what happens now that a lot of the protestors don't have to or can't go to work every day.

 

[pocketaccent]

There will be a White House Briefing today at 5 PM ET.

Live | The White House

 

[NuttMegg]

No, he said that. He said we can't go back to normal until there's a vaccine, and "the experts" agree that that will take 12 to 18 months, and some say much longer:

From my link:

"Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications," e said. "I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice."

We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine.

Also, from Covid-19 vaccine in 18 months? Experts are skeptical. - CNN

Eighteen months might sound like a long time, but in vaccine years, it's a blink. That's the long end of the Trump administration's time window for developing a coronavirus vaccine, and some leaders in the field say this is too fast -- and could come at the expense of safety.

The estimated time made headlines last month, when Trump remarked at a televised Cabinet Room meeting with pharmaceutical executives that a vaccine could be ready in "three to four months." There, in front of TV cameras, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), poured cold water on Trump's estimate, saying it would be more like a year to a year and a half.

* * *

Ever since, that estimate of 12-18 months has become gospel, its appearance in media stories ubiquitous. But medical experts and scientists with firsthand experience developing vaccines are skeptical. "Tony Fauci is saying a year to 18 months -- I think that's optimistic," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a leading expert on infectious disease and vaccine development at Baylor College of Medicine. "Maybe if all the stars align, but probably longer." Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly. "When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

No, "not returning to NORMAL" does not equal ="lock down". He never said, nor implied "lock down". He listed some events drawing crowds and closely packed venues that he thinks will not return to "normal". He said, like most other reputable scientists addressing COVID 19, that return to normal requires a vaccine that will take 12-18 months.