dixiegirl1035
I will do it, but I won't like it
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The Best briefing ever. Must watch!
I don't have 2 hours..... summary? Highlights?
The Best briefing ever. Must watch!
Yes, UV rays, summer, sunshine. As well as humidity. But, UV rays most significant.I think it is UV light from the sun that was specifically mentioned. Not sure it was just "heat."
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.
jmo
Maybe the Red Cross could check as part of their blood donation processing.
I thought Australia was moving into fall right now. It’s not the dead of summer, anyway, from what I remember an Aussie posting.
ETA From my google search, actually, it says it is autumn March-May.
Most doctors consider giving placebos to very ill patients unethical and immoral. So, you will either have to accept these various closed-cohort retrospective studies or wait some nation decides to undertake this. HC has already been tested in completely non-sick people, but the study you are asking for would require everyone in the study to be equally sick (which is what happened in the Veterans study, more or less). Even better, would be good to take some mildly symptomatic people and put them in the study (with symptomology - this takes combing through medical records, often done by medical students and grad students - who are currently not permitted into CoVid heavy environments right now). Photocopying all those records is not a use a resources that most hospitals can sanction right now.
So, the only studies we have are of "CoVid patients" (sick) and no placebo group (CoVid patients - sick - given NOTHING." Doctors simply cannot "give nothing" to sick people in a pandemic to see if they die.
Have you listened to the podcast on the Guardian? It would help you understand the problems with HC. Here are some other studies, but again, no one is just testing CoVid patients who are sick and then putting them in a hospital bed and doing nothing other than watch them (and give them a known placebo, such as a sugar pill). Since the mechanism of this virus is better understood today than 10 days ago, it's unlikely you'll see many HC studies (as it is associated with more deaths and not fewer in the study we're discussing). That's not a positive indicator. People who got merely antibiotics did better. See the problem?
HC + Zinc seems to be doing better than HC + Zpac, but still not great.
BTW, since HC may actually be harmful, it would be interesting to back and back out all HC patients from every hospital study and see the stats. That'll get done and if it turns out that HC was actually upping mortality rates, then it's really been a bad idea for someone with a bully pulpit to tell people to take it.
The NIH says the data from all the studies that are published says there's neither data for OR against HC.
Therapeutic Options Under Investigation | Coronavirus Disease COVID-19
So rather than ask for the individual studies (all of which will have the problem you're pointing out), why not just go with what the experts say? If doctors do elect to prescribe HC, they need to monitor for specific heart problems, as that side effect seems to be significantly negative for CoVid patients (it's predictive of an increased risk of heart attack).
If there were *any* studies that gave HC a positive outcome, then perhaps the heart issues would simply mean that some patients couldn't take it, but the rest could
However, the NIH review of the literature shows absolutely no evidence that HC works, and the VA study shows that it might actually encourage a more severe course.
There is, however, a pharmaceutical company that has received FDA permission to conduct a test with placebos. The design calls for the patients to be pulled out of the placebo test if they worsen or if a doctor for any reason thinks they need something else. There's nothing in the design that would prevent, for example, those placebo patients from getting plasma. All patients will receive "standard of care," which means they may actually get some other drug in addition. This will take the placebo patients out of the placebo group, of course, and if the HC group and the HC+Z group also gets some other drug, they'll be out of the study as well.
In one study, ALL of the placebo patients were removed from the placebo group, so we shall have to see how this study goes.
Here are some links to studies about HC:
No Hydroxychloroquine Benefit in Randomized COVID-19 Trial
This is a 150 patient study where the non HC patients simply received basic standard of care (SoC). There was no difference in quality of symptoms, except that the HC group had a 10% chance of an added symptom that none of the non-HC group had (diarrhea). Two patients in the HC group progressed to more serious symptoms while that was not true of the non-HC group.
For the study where they had to stop the HC because of side effects, etc, see here:
Coronavirus drug chloroquine – touted by Trump – has test halted
The last study, while without placebo groups, was double blind (nurses and attendings did not know which patients were getting HC, but as they had to treat more symptoms, the researchers had to reveal that fact and in all cases, the attending doctor d/c'ed the HC).
The heart issues with HC are now well-documented and alarming enough to some doctors, that they recommend against it:
French officials report heart incidents in experimental coronavirus treatments with hydroxychloroquine
There were no studies of comatose, ventilated patients who all of a sudden started receiving HC on their last day of life. At least, I can't find any and naturally, those would be of little therapeutic or scientific value unless the patient made a miraculous recovery, which would likely be reported in Lancet and JAMA as anecdotal.
It's of interest that among the many trial drugs out there, physicians at university hospitals conducting such studies aren't studying HC. The one big study is sponsored by a big pharma company. Given that stark divide in research motivation, I don't think you'll see any large scale studies about HC except that one, in the near future.
The Zinc + HC guy in Los Angeles is facing federal charges regarding his claims.
? I wasn't referring to tracing and tracking. Sorry I wasn't clear. Just a regular volunteer organization, not having to do with covid.Cannot imagine why tracing and tracking people would be rejected for age...............
Yes, UV rays, summer, sunshine. As well as humidity. But, UV rays most significant.
Maybe even tanning beds.
Gotta stop using so much sunscreen, not 24/7..... use on the face though
Hey, even my orthopedic surgeon recommended getting in the sun, in addition to Vitamin D supplements. Not just for bones, but for the immune system as well.
I thought Australia was moving into fall right now. It’s not the dead of summer, anyway, from what I remember an Aussie posting.
ETA From my google search, actually, it says it is autumn March-May.
It is correct, it is Autumn in Australia, and numbers are going down.
INDIANAPOLIS —
Indiana officials announced Thursday that the state will be one of the first to start testing people at random for COVID-19.
Officials said the new study of random samples will provide a greater understanding of the true spread, and will in turn, help make better decisions about the state's response.
Indiana now selecting Hoosiers at random for COVID-19 testing
why are they still not social distancing? is it because they wanna be on tv with Trump?
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I don't have 2 hours..... summary? Highlights?
GEORGIAI can't remember which state now but the National Guard went in and disinfected the nursing homes. Anyone else remember that?
I have a feeling that after his absence, he's now towing the party line. jmoWell great. Let's get some independent scientists to interview him, and find out where this really started, and we will not have to worry about conspiracy theories.