Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #55

[Squinchy]

@Squinchy Yes, it will end! Please try and get a good night’s sleep and you will feel better in the morning. Also try not to read every doom and gloom click bait report. Many “experts” don’t know what they are talking about and the news will print anything anyone tells them.

Try to put it in perspective. Do you personally know anyone with the virus? I don’t, and I live in Texas, with a doomed F rating lol.

Thank you

 

[Squinchy]

I have had a day now and then where it does feel helpless for the entire day. I wake up the next morning and wonder what was wrong with me to feel so negative. Thing is to enjoy each day that you have for now. Do something new - just for fun.

I got new toys today - find a creative outlet

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I did wake up with a better attitude today, thanks

 

[MyBelle]

I don't know whether we're near each other. I thought you were just making a general statement.

I won't wear a mask for a lot of different reasons. First, I don't think it is necessary or helps. Especially the homemade masks lots of people are wearing. Which leads to the second reason, which is that I don't like the idea of being forced to do something by the govt for no good reason (or even for a pretty good reason, in most cases lol). The third reason is similar, and it's that I won't be shamed into doing something because other people have decided it's what I should be doing, if I disagree with them. Fourth, I don't tolerate breathing behind a mask very well. I don't like the feel of it and it's very inconvenient in a lot of situations. And last, I'm not afraid of catching this at all. I just mentioned elsewhere, I'm pretty sure I've already had it and it was no big deal for me. To be clear, I'm not trying to tell those who are fearful and/or vulnerable what to do.

You asked! lol Thanks for not calling names

I'm baffled. We're wearing masks not because we're being forced or because we feel shamed; we're wearing them to protect ourselves. It isn't rocket science to understand the value of the mask in hindering the transmittal of a respiratory virus. We're doing this not only to keep ourselves healthy but also because we value our relationships with our children and grandchildren.

If you don't believe the virus is a big deal, that's up to you but it really is offensive that you have drawn the conclusion that the virus is "no big deal" to the rest of us.

JMO

 

[cass523]

this is why I don't believe my Dad's negative result
he could hardly breathe!

I am so sorry to hear about your father’s passing. My condolences to you @LadyL

 

[SoCalDavidS]

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/article242507546.html

Social distancing? Young crowds flock to Five Points as restaurant restrictions relax

Yeah, well this projection site I look at is projecting that South Carolina's death total will increase 450% between now & August 4.

 

[SouthAussie]

We are having our first day of relaxed restrictions today in South Australia. It is sunny and pleasant, and I saw several people sitting outside cafes sipping coffee (10 people - properly spaced - allowed at a time, outdoor seating only, no table service).

It is a bit of a nervy time, too, as we wait the mandated three weeks (if all goes well) to see if we can go to the next stage of loosening up.

Coronavirus restrictions ease in South Australia but many businesses will have to wait - ABC News

 

[Midgie2]

IMO Somewhere between being told to shelter in place and the subsequent removal of that order that some people just aren’t computing.
It does not mean that the virus is GONE.
This has nothing to do with our “freedom” as a nation.
The Dr’s and scientists who have told us time and time again how easily this virus is passed, and how to protect ourselves are doing so to protect us.
These protestors are acting like petulant children.
Opening things back up is the only way that we can keep the wheels of the economy going. Grease the wheels before everything comes to a screeching halt. So that those who are hurting can get their livelihoods back, and keep vital supply chains going.
We can open things up slowly IF people follow social distancing, wear masks, make as few trips as possible and limit (or forego altogether) contact with others outside the home for a few months.
It’s the people who thoughtlessly and recklessly put themselves at risk that will keep this virus going. It may be that they don’t give a hoot about themselves or their immediate circle, but when they get sick, they risk healthcare workers and so on down the line.

 

[Squinchy]

I too have had this feeling. Depressing. To move on from this I've been seeking jokes online. Takes my mind off the problems for a while.

I too have had this feeling. Depressing. To move on from this I've been seeking jokes online. Takes my mind off the problems for a while.

 

[cass523]

Whatever it is, it's still not "associated" with the virus. It's "possibly" associated -- not definitely, not even probably. Per the article linked

Yes, some children have CV and some do not. From the last article I posted:

"The 14-year-old, Jack McMorrow, "He was rushed to the ICU and tested positive for COVID-19. John McMorrow is his father."

Some of the other children I post over the last week also tested positive

Kawasaki Disease From COVID-19 in Kids: How Common?

The first known published case of classic Kawasaki disease associated with COVID-19 was reported in Hospital Pediatrics in late April. A 6-month-old seen in Stanford, California, screened positive for COVID-19 after presenting with fever, blotchy rash, and minimal respiratory symptoms. She had initially been sent home from urgent care.

This week, the New York City Health Department announced finding 15 cases between April 29 and May 3. The "full spectrum of disease is not yet known," it noted. "Only severe cases may have been recognized at this time."

On Wednesday, the New York State Department of Health expanded that to 64 cases statewide and issued an advisory on what is being called "Pediatric Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome Temporally Associated with COVID-19."

Two children are now known to have died in New York with the syndrome, a 5-year-old boy and a 7-year-old boy.

Italy, Spain, and the U.K. have noted an uptick in Kawasaki-like disease among children coincident with the COVID-19 outbreaks there.

British health authorities warned about a small rise in children with severe COVID-19 and features consistent with toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki disease. "Abdominal pain and gastrointestinal symptoms have been a common feature as has cardiac inflammation."

Even under normal circumstances, it can be difficult to sort out Kawasaki disease from other childhood diseases that cause similar symptoms given that there are no definitive blood tests, noted Michael Portman, MD, of Seattle Children's Hospital and a member of the American College of Cardiology committee that set benchmarks for care of Kawasaki disease.

"What's really unusual about this particular presentation is that they are older," noted Deepika Thacker, MD, medical director for the cardiac inpatient unit at Nemours Children's Health System in Wilmington, Delaware. Kawasaki disease typically affects children age 5 years and younger, but many of these cases reported have been in teens, she pointed out.

In the NYC health department report, the 15 cases in children ages 2 to 15 years were hospitalized with typical or incomplete Kawasaki disease, some with shock. All had fever and more than half had rash, abdominal pain, vomiting, or diarrhea. However, less than half have had respiratory symptoms.

Some cases have even been described where severe abdominal pain sent these children to surgery but nothing was found, Thacker noted in an interview monitored by her institution's media relations. Bloodwork has also been following a "very different pattern," she said, including markers of cardiac injury higher than typically seen with Kawasaki disease.

"Whilst it is too early to say with confidence, features appear to include high CRP [C-reactive protein], high ESR [erythrocyte sedimentation rate] and high ferritin," Britain's Pediatric Intensive Care Society said in a statement.

The New York state alert also pointed to myocarditis and other cardiovascular changes that may be seen. "Additionally, some patients have developed cardiogenic or vasogenic shock and required intensive care. This inflammatory syndrome may occur days to weeks after acute COVID-19 illness."

Missed Cases

While most children who develop Kawasaki disease recover without incident, "there's still that 25% out there that if they get late treatment, they could have serious illnesses. And some of those children, the fever goes away and they're walking around with a coronary artery aneurysm and they don't even know it," Portman noted.

(and the article continues to this info)

One community-based study is the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)'s 6,000-person HEROS study looking into the rate of SARS-CoV-2 infection in U.S. children and their family members, which collects nasal swab and blood samples from participants every 2 weeks.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86393

The Heros Study

Study to determine incidence of novel coronavirus infection in U.S. children begins

NIH-funded study also will ascertain percentage of infected children who develop COVID-19.

The study, called Human Epidemiology and Response to SARS-CoV-2 (HEROS), also will help determine what percentage of children infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, develop symptoms of the disease. In addition, the HEROS study will examine whether rates of SARS-CoV-2 infection differ between children who have asthma or other allergic conditions and children who do not. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health, is sponsoring and funding the HEROS study.

“One interesting feature of this novel coronavirus pandemic is that very few children have become sick with COVID-19 compared to adults,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “Is this because children are resistant to infection with SARS-CoV-2, or because they are infected but do not develop symptoms? The HEROS study will help us begin to answer these and other key questions.”

“So far, data on the extent of SARS-CoV-2 infection in the U.S. population have been limited to people who physically interact with the healthcare system: those who are tested―especially those who test positive―and those with severe disease,” said Dr. Hartert. “These data provide real-time guidance in a setting of limited test availability, but they don’t enable us to understand the full extent of SARS-CoV-2 infection in the entire population. The HEROS study will help fill this knowledge gap and inform public health interventions.”

Preliminary evidence suggests that having an allergic condition paradoxically may reduce a person’s susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe COVID-19 disease. A NIAID-funded study(link is external) recently examined upper and lower airway cells for the expression of ACE2, the gene that codes for the receptor that the coronavirus uses to infect cells. ACE2 expression is necessary for a cell to make this receptor, but additional steps also are involved. In both children and adults, respiratory allergy, asthma and controlled allergen exposure were associated with significantly reduced ACE2 expression. The expression of ACE2 was lowest in people with high levels of both asthma and sensitivity to allergens.

The HEROS study will further clarify whether reduced ACE2 gene expression in airway cells of children with allergic diseases correlates with a lower rate of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19.

Study to determine incidence of novel coronavirus infection in U.S. children begins

Researchers remain uncertain if this is being caused by COVID-19, but most children appear to have a link. Some affected children have tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, suggesting that the inflammation is "delayed," Nancy Fliesler of Boston Children's Hospital wrote on Friday.

Doctors have described children "screaming from stomach pain" while hospitalized for shock, Jane Newburger of Boston Children's Hospital told the Washington Post.

More information is trickling in from various places.

As some children go into inflammatory shock, doctors urgently study COVID-19 in kids

--Why are children largely spared from COVID-19 — and why do a tiny handful become extremely sick? To find out, Boston Children’s Hospital has launched a national study to perform real-time surveillance at more than 35 U.S. children’s hospitals.

Called Overcoming COVID-19, the study has $2.1 million in funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will capture real-time data on 800 children and youth up to age 25 hospitalized with COVID-19, in search of factors that increase vulnerability to the novel coronavirus — but also what protects the vast majority of kids.

National study tracks COVID-19 in children - Boston Children's Discoveries

 

[CeeCeeCat]

It truly baffles me that anyone would kick back against wearing a mask when out in public. Over 30,000 deaths here in the UK, 80,000+ in the US - isn’t that enough of an incentive?

 

[firebird]

I'm baffled. We're wearing masks not because we're being forced or because we feel shamed; we're wearing them to protect ourselves. It isn't rocket science to understand the value of the mask in hindering the transmittal of a respiratory virus. We're doing this not only to keep ourselves healthy but also because we value our relationships with our children and grandchildren.

If you don't believe the virus is a big deal, that's up to you but it really is offensive that you have drawn the conclusion that the virus is "no big deal" to the rest of us.

JMO

This is what I actually said:

"To be clear, I'm not trying to tell those who are fearful and/or vulnerable what to do."

 

[firebird]

It truly baffles me that anyone would kick back against wearing a mask when out in public. Over 30,000 deaths here in the UK, 80,000+ in the US - isn’t that enough of an incentive?

Maybe it depends on where you're located. But here, masks are not a big thing.

 

[MyBelle]

This is what I actually said:

"To be clear, I'm not trying to tell those who are fearful and/or vulnerable what to do."

Yes. My comment stands.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

It truly baffles me that anyone would kick back against wearing a mask when out in public. Over 30,000 deaths here in the UK, 80,000+ in the US - isn’t that enough of an incentive?

Apparently, not.

 

[tresir2012]

It truly baffles me that anyone would kick back against wearing a mask when out in public. Over 30,000 deaths here in the UK, 80,000+ in the US - isn’t that enough of an incentive?

If you lived in rural West Wales you might think differently though. London or Birmingham, especially public transport, yes. You cannot just mandate for the whole of the UK. That would mean sheep farmers would have to wear masks when they don't see another living soul all day long. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

We are having our first day of relaxed restrictions today in South Australia. It is sunny and pleasant, and I saw several people sitting outside cafes sipping coffee (10 people - properly spaced - allowed at a time, outdoor seating only, no table service).

It is a bit of a nervy time, too, as we wait the mandated three weeks (if all goes well) to see if we can go to the next stage of loosening up.

Coronavirus restrictions ease in South Australia but many businesses will have to wait - ABC News

It is interesting to see your relaxed restrictions. Any masks on the coffee drinkers?
(ETA by the look of the pic no)

 

[tresir2012]

Coronavirus lockdown should be lifted as 'workers no more likely to get ill'

"THE coronavirus lockdown should be lifted because 'workers are no more likely to get ill than people staying at home', a new study has today suggested.

New York researchers found that two-thirds of patients had been following lockdown guidelines to stop the virusbut had become infected anyway.

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Edinburgh city centre is deserted after the lockdownCredit: Alamy Live News
Meanwhile, only 17 per cent of those who were infected had been working.

The study followed 1,269 patients admitted to 113 hospitals in New York over three days - finding 66 per cent had been staying at home.

Another 18 per cent had come from nursing homes - with just four per cent still using public transport.

And cancer specialist Professor Karol Sikora, Dean of the University of Buckingham's medical school, told The Telegraph the study appeared to show that lockdowns were only “of limited use”.

He said: "It is fascinating that it doesn’t seem to matter if you’re locked down or not. These people were locked down, but have a high rate of hospital admissions.

"Lock down is only of limited use. The risk factors for Covid are age, illness and ethnicity. These have more impact on what you’re going to get and if you’re going to be hospitalised than if you are out and about as normal.

"Covid is targeting obese people and people with lung conditions. If we shelter those people who are vulnerable and ill then we can get more people back to normal."

The study revealed 96 per cent of those who were admitted to hospital had underlying health conditions."

 

[CeeCeeCat]

Apparently, not.

And that little fact, I cannot tell you how much it infuriates me.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

It truly baffles me that anyone would kick back against wearing a mask when out in public. Over 30,000 deaths here in the UK, 80,000+ in the US - isn’t that enough of an incentive?

Some people should not wear masks. My husband has severe emphysema and his physicians and pulmonary rehab team told him not to use a mask. A working mask strains his system and he quickly gets ill. I take him very few places and yet some "hall monitor" types have been scary and vocal. We don't live - yet - where masks are required. Those with respiratory illness are already marginalized.

 

[Trident]

Some people should not wear masks. My husband has severe emphysema and his physicians and pulmonary rehab team told him not to use a mask. A working mask strains his system and he quickly gets ill. I take him very few places and yet some "hall monitor" types have been scary and vocal. We don't live - yet - where masks are required. Those with respiratory illness are already marginalized.

I simply cannot breath while wearing a mask - I have lung disease. To me the lack of oxygen is very detrimental to my health. I go out as little as possible and when I do I feel the mask will kill me before the virus.