Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #56

[Tbone144]

Grocery prices are soaring. Here’s what’s getting more expensive.
Grocery prices are soaring. Here’s what’s getting more expensive.

I’ll have to figure out my egg costs if feed prices soar as well. I teased DH about raising a couple of pigs and picking up 2 more freezers so we could have beef, chicken and pork freezer, one of each. Our freezers are in a main room of our house. Totally practical but not aesthetically pleasing. There is no way I could fit two more. IME raising your own chickens has always been more expensive than buying factory farmed, taste better but not even counting your work, it’s just more expensive. Will have to redo the economics.

 

[firebird]

At the very least, the money saved from not buying cigarettes will help offset the increased costs of groceries. JMO

Holy cow. I haven't priced cigarettes since high school/college. They're like $7-10 a pack now! So if you smoke a pack a day, that's a couple hundred dollars a month, plus the cost to your health and related medical expenses. Yikes.

 

[firebird]

On Tuesday, San Diego county Supervisor Jim Desmond said after digging into the data that he believes only six of the county’s 194 coronavirus-identified deaths are “pure” coronavirus deaths, meaning they died from the virus, not merely with the virus.

Desmond was seemingly ruling out deaths from individuals with preexisting conditions.


“We’ve unfortunately had six pure, solely coronavirus deaths — six out of 3.3 million people,” Desmond said on a podcast, Armstrong & Getty Extra Large Interviews, according to San Diego Tribune. “I mean, what number are we trying to get to with those odds. I mean, it’s incredible. We want to be safe, and we can do it, but unfortunately, it’s more about control than getting the economy going again and keeping people safe.”

Supervisor Jim Desmond says San Diego has only had 'six pure' coronavirus deaths

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Why wouldn't an underlying condition, pushed due to COVID-19 to the point of triggering the person's death, count as one of the deaths from the pandemic? Maybe in a different sub-category than the "no other conditions" deaths, but still to be counted as a result of the pandemic. IMO

 

[otto]

I think the idea was that the two work together to create the desired effect (hopefully).

Kind of like if you are low on iron, you don't just take iron, but iron and vitamin C. The C enhances the absorption of the iron.

And if you need vitamin D, you don't just take vitamin D but D combined with K. Same thing, K helps make the D actually usable by the body.

IMO though I could google for links if needed.

Vitamin K, potassium - eat bananas when vitamin D tanning, eat oranges to absorb Iron.

Food advice for carnivores during coronavirus - all untested.

 

[otto]

People are struggling to remember what day it is during self-isolation, study shows

Were these people fully employed prior the pandemic and now off work? What changed? Can they not handle work-from-home?

 

[firebird]

Why wouldn't an underlying condition, pushed due to COVID-19 to the point of triggering the person's death, count as one of the deaths from the pandemic? Maybe in a different sub-category than the "no other conditions" deaths, but still to be counted as a result of the pandemic. IMO

Idk. Why would the death of a person who happened to test positive for Covid, but who actually died from cancer be classified as a Covid death?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Because the cancer hadn't killed them yet, and by all medical appearances the COVID-19 triggered an immune response that jacked up their cancer enough to kill them.

If the docs can actually tell when the COVID-19 didn't "prompt" the comorbidity into fatal mode, then they shouldn't count the ones that didn't. But for those who did have that happen, or when they can't distinguish, it makes sense (to me) to count those deaths as pandemic connected.

Same as when a torrential rainstorm comes through, and a person whose car gets swept away in high water dies of a heart attack while trying to swim to shore, gets counted as a death from the storm. It was an indirect death but triggered by the event, so counted as an impact of the event. Seems not just statistically accurate to me but also the respectful way to acknowledge that the event was the trigger, even if it operated indirectly.

IMO

 

[mickey2942]

Were these people fully employed prior the pandemic and now off work? What changed? Can they not handle work-from-home?

In my Mother's case, she used to go to work W, H, F, S. She lost her job March 14th. And due to her age, she has pretty much stayed home and hunkered down. She doesn't have cable TV or Internet, just her Smartphone.

This whole situation has really stressed a lot of people. What day it is, just has little to no meaning if you are stressed about not having a job, and wondering if your job will ever come back.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Were these people fully employed prior the pandemic and now off work? What changed? Can they not handle work-from-home?

Example 1
Fully employed prior to pandemic. Terminated contract when expressed reluctance to fly 5-7 times a month which was required and had been working that schedule with no issues prior to pandemic. Work from home was not possible due to the type of work. Caring for elderly parents now. The days do blur together, can tell you the date but not necessarily the day of the week.
Example 2
Both parents employed and working in offices. Children in school. Baseball practice on Tuesday, swim class on Thursday, Sunday school on Sunday. Pandemic - Now everyone at home and none of those activities. One parent laid off due to no one interested in leasing office space. Imagine that! Tuesday kind of runs into Thursday and the weekend isn’t much different because there is no delineation of days.
JMO

 

[1&2&3]

I believe these deaths being claimed as Covid-19 is due to the fact there is a $37 or $39,000.fee being paid to each hospital reporting a Covid death.

I have read about this fee since New York started with the high death numbers.

Does anyone know why this money is being paid, to whom is money being paid, and by organization is paying this exuberant amount?

IMO, the death count for Covid-19 is totally off as most all deaths are being counted as Covid-19.

 

[jjenny]

Desmond was seemingly ruling out deaths from individuals with preexisting conditions.


Supervisor Jim Desmond says San Diego has only had 'six pure' coronavirus deaths

It's kind of like claiming people who had cyanide in their system died from pre-existing conditions.

 

[jjenny]

I believe these deaths being claimed as Covid-19 is due to the fact there is a $37 or $39,000.fee being paid to each hospital reporting a Covid death.

I have read about this fee since New York started with the high death numbers.

Does anyone know why this money is being paid, to whom is money being paid, and by organization is paying this exuberant amount?

IMO, the death count for Covid-19 is totally off as most all deaths are being counted as Covid-19.

My advise would be-don't listen to conspiracy theories.

 

[ilovewings]

On Tuesday, San Diego county Supervisor Jim Desmond said after digging into the data that he believes only six of the county’s 194 coronavirus-identified deaths are “pure” coronavirus deaths, meaning they died from the virus, not merely with the virus.

Desmond was seemingly ruling out deaths from individuals with preexisting conditions.


“We’ve unfortunately had six pure, solely coronavirus deaths — six out of 3.3 million people,” Desmond said on a podcast, Armstrong & Getty Extra Large Interviews, according to San Diego Tribune. “I mean, what number are we trying to get to with those odds. I mean, it’s incredible. We want to be safe, and we can do it, but unfortunately, it’s more about control than getting the economy going again and keeping people safe.”

Supervisor Jim Desmond says San Diego has only had 'six pure' coronavirus deaths

.

absurd statement- it is all about politics--

 

[katydid23]

I was talking to two friends today about this. We keep hearing that suicides have increased but we’re not seeing any numbers or stats supporting this assertion.

I don't know about overall numbers. But she have seen links here, of articles about first responders, doctors and nurses on the front lines who have recently killed themselves. And I remember two domestic murder/suicides where Covid19 was discussed as one of the stressers.

But these are just anecdotal---and I don't know if the numbers in total are higher than usual.

 

[BeckyF]

Holy cow. I haven't priced cigarettes since high school/college. They're like $7-10 a pack now! So if you smoke a pack a day, that's a couple hundred dollars a month, plus the cost to your health and related medical expenses. Yikes.

Both of my sisters smoke. One more than the other. I’m sure they know the dangers, especially now. They just don’t have the motivation to quit. I’m a former smoker. I quit 15 years ago. At that time cigarettes were 3.00 a pack. If this virus is not motivation I just SMH.

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand "losing homes and businesses." Canada has provided funds based on need. Businesses and employees are protected.

Re-opening for economic reasons means sacrificing people's lives. Health versus Economics. That's the struggle around the world and first experienced by the WHO when they said "keep borders open" and "contain" even though the WHO knew this failed in China.

You have 37 million people in Canada. We have 353 million people. So it is a little harder to provide enough funds for every one that needs them here.

<modsnip: Don't be rude>

Re-opening is inevitable. its is just a matter of when we do so. Many of our states have already flattened the curve. Wasn't that the original explanation for the lockdown?

It isn't Health vs Economics. Not at all. It is not 'either/or.'


ETA:
Financial pressures of COVID-19 force several Canadian small businesses to close permanently
CORONAVIRUS | News
Financial pressures of COVID-19 force several Canadian small businesses to close permanently

In Toronto, Vesuvio Pizzeria and Spaghetti House has been in operation since 1957 and was able to survive through some of the toughest times, but announced on Tuesday that it will close permanently later this week.

In Aldergrove, B.C., Emerald Phoenix Comics announced on April 4 that it could no longer make rent and would be forced to close its doors permanently.

Chris Bodnar, the comic book store’s owner, said his landlord offered to defer half of this month’s rent, but he still won’t be able to keep the business afloat.

"If I can't make rent this month, having lost a couple of weeks, I can't say that I’ll be able to make rent plus next week," he said.

In Halifax, Najib Faris, the owner Mabata Fine Dining, had been planning to expand, but is now considering a permanent closure of his restaurant.

 

[tresir2012]

I hadn't seen it - so thank you. I hope that figure is high. There are apparently about 3 dozen cases in China as well - it seems to happen about 2 months after exposure, and the exposure is usually asymptomatic or mild. So it apparently keeps eroding the child's immune system until it can attack the same type of cell it attacks in adults.

Next, there should be some medical recommendations. We may want to prioritize kids for antibody testing.

Now, we really do have to consider Dr Fauci's concerns about reopening schools. The parents of the little boy in New York seem to think he got it at school, as no one they know has been sick and he was still in school when he had mild symptoms.

But have they determined it was from Coronavirus? Did he have an underlying health condition?

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Coronavirus: Pandemic effects will last for up to two years, warns doctor who treated first UK patients

The speed at which the coronavirus spread is astounding and the emergence from the pandemic must be gradual, doctors say.

The doctor who led the team that treated the UK's first COVID-19 patients has told Sky News we will be living with the effects of the pandemic for "the next one to two years".

The stark warning comes just 105 days since the first two patients that tested positive for the virus were admitted to the Royal Victoria Infirmary in Newcastle.

The consultant who received the patients was Dr Matthias Schmid, the head of the department of infection and tropical medicine.

He told Sky News the way the pandemic has unfolded so quickly means that their first cases now seem a distant memory.

The unnamed members of the same family were taken ill while staying at an apartment hotel in York and admitted to the specialist centre in Newcastle on 31 January.

"It seems an eternity, I have to think back quite a bit but it feels like a year. It's only been three months," he said.

"I received the patients, I was the on-call clinician, and at that time it was a novel coronavirus and we didn't know much about it other than it was coming from China. Our first patients... they were actually quite well."

The first cases didn't require intensive care treatment and like the majority of COVID-19 patients that have passed through the doors of the Royal Victoria Infirmary they eventually made a good recovery.

The wave of cases that followed though, and the growing death toll, has shocked every frontline medic.

Critical care consultant at Newcastle Dr Sarah Platt has dealt with many of the most serious cases that have followed since the first patients.

Just as their teams have adjusted to the new way of working to care for COVID-19 patients, the start of the loosening of the lockdown in England brings with it the risk of a second peak of cases.

"The prospect that we might put ourselves in a situation where we can't offer the standard of care that we wish to and we train to is horrifying to everyone," she said.

"That is how important it is - that we don't do anything that might risk a second surge because if it is worse than the first one then all the good work would be undone, everything that we have sacrificed, everybody over the last few weeks, would be undone by a second surge if it is worse."

 

[tresir2012]

I don't see a single bit of desperation in the science on this. I see pre-prints and soon there will be juried articles. Actually, Lancet already has one:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31103-X/fulltext

Unless you can challenge the science in there, I think it's extreme to use the word "desperation" in regard to the authors.

And here's a preprint that has the same conclusions - this time from Paris. I do not think there's an international conspiracy of "desperate" scientists who want to try and make it look like kids are vulnerable, when they are not. It's clear that these kids have a unique and unusual form of "Kawasaki" and all of the serious cases have had CoVId:

Outbreak of Kawasaki disease in children during COVID-19 pandemic: a prospective observational study in Paris, France

In the 5 years up to Feb 2020 they had 19 cases and Mar and April they have had 10 cases. So they went from average of 4 cases per year to 5 cases per month.

It would be interesting to know what caused the original 19 cases. I couldn't find that in the report.

I also noticed aspirin was given in some of the current cases.