Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #57

[Amonet]

The number of people already infected by the mystery virus emerging in China is far greater than official figures suggest, scientists have told the BBC.
There have been 41 laboratory-confirmed cases of the new virus, but UK experts estimate the figure is closer to 1,700.

New virus in China ‘will have infected hundreds'

Up to 4,500 patients in China may have caught the same strain of coronavirus that has killed two people, scientists fear.
Health officials in Wuhan – the city at the heart of the outbreak which started in December – confirmed four new cases today, taking the total to 48.
But Imperial College London researchers say this may be the 'tip of the iceberg' after analysing flights out of the city.

Scientists fear up to 4,500 Chinese patients may have caught the new coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

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Safety Tips and Things to do While Quarantined
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Case details for US and Canada:
COVID-19/Coronavirus Real Time Updates With Credible Sources in US and Canada | 1Point3Acres

Case details for the entire world:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 206,893 Cases and 8,272 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

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[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

If you want to quote what the president or anyone in his administrations who give information on what they are doing to contain the virus that is absolutely fine.
THIS IS ME BEGGING NOW. NO MATTER HOW FRUSTRATED YOU FEEL, HOW GRATEFUL YOU FEEL OR HOW YOU FEEL WITH ANY OF THE COMMENTS COMING FROM THE WHITEHOUSE OR THEIR ADMINISTRATION DO NOT PUT IT ON THIS THREAD. DO NOT PUT TOGETHER A POST THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND THEN TRY AND SAY IT IS NOT.
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OK, not begging now.

I am so impressed with our members posting much-needed info and members helping each other. I swear I sit here and cry happy tears at how incredible you are with this pandemic.

Please join me tonight on Websleuths Live on YouTube at 10:00 PM Eastern. CLICK HERE to join us live. We have a great chat room going on. and I want to personally invite you all to join us. One main rule. If you a jerk in chat or if you start making inflammatory comments about politics or whatever you will be kicked out. Then you will be forced to listen to Donny Osmonds "Puppy Love" for 30 days. So please behave.
See you tonight.
Love,
Tricia
PS. I actually love Donny Osmond. Very talented, a great businessman and fantastic human being, but, Puppy Love is painful. LOL

 

[Sillybilly]

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[CocoChanel]

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Faithfully,
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Moderator

 

[Sillybilly]

Permanent thread bans have been and will be issued for members who persist in trying to make the thread about politics.

In case you have not read the opening posts above, please etch this part of Tricia's post above in your memory:

NO MATTER HOW FRUSTRATED YOU FEEL, HOW GRATEFUL YOU FEEL OR HOW YOU FEEL WITH ANY OF THE COMMENTS COMING FROM THE WHITEHOUSE OR THEIR ADMINISTRATION DO NOT PUT IT ON THIS THREAD. DO NOT PUT TOGETHER A POST THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND THEN TRY AND SAY IT IS NOT

 

[SoCalDavidS]

For those who think it's important to re-open everywhere now, and it's worth the lives that may be sacrificed, will there be any future death figure that would change your mind?

I think given the # of places intent on fully reopening, it is highly likely that there will be 200,000 Dead by the end of July, perhaps sooner.

So that means another 100,000 Dead within the next 2 1/2 months. Either you think there is no chance it will be that high, since things are under control, or you feel that it is a reasonable and acceptable estimate, and not worth the harm that would be done to the economy by going slower, and not rushing to reopen before the virus has been contained, and there is enough testing?

 

[firebird]

For those who think it's important to re-open everywhere now, and it's worth the lives that may be sacrificed, will there be any future death figure that would change your mind?

I think given the # of places intent on fully reopening, it is highly likely that there will be 200,000 Dead by the end of July, perhaps sooner.

So that means another 100,000 Dead within the next 2 1/2 months. Either you think there is no chance it will be that high, since things are under control, or you feel that it is a reasonable and acceptable estimate, and not worth the harm that would be done to the economy by going slower, and not rushing to reopen before the virus has been contained, and there is enough testing?

I think both of the things in your last paragraph are true. I think the death toll is unlikely to be that high AND, that if it were, the cost-benefit analysis of destroying the economy is the worse of the two evils -- by far. I'm also strongly in favor of personal responsibility and against govt interference in civil rights. If you're afraid or vulnerable, or both, stay home and/or take every precaution you deem necessary. jmo and that's a general "you're/you"

 

[tresir2012]

For those who think it's important to re-open everywhere now, and it's worth the lives that may be sacrificed, will there be any future death figure that would change your mind?

I think given the # of places intent on fully reopening, it is highly likely that there will be 200,000 Dead by the end of July, perhaps sooner.

So that means another 100,000 Dead within the next 2 1/2 months. Either you think there is no chance it will be that high, since things are under control, or you feel that it is a reasonable and acceptable estimate, and not worth the harm that would be done to the economy by going slower, and not rushing to reopen before the virus has been contained, and there is enough testing?

In the Worldometers data there is a column that has serious/critical so I watch that to have some idea where we are heading. If the elderly (over 65) and sick are careful and stay at home as much as possible then those under 65 can come out of lockdown bit by bit, without increasing the deaths hopefully. Sort of like an optional self lockdown.

 

[katydid23]

Sad news for inner city kids of St Louis:

Archdiocese of St. Louis closing three schools because of the financial strain of coronavirus
NEWS


The archdiocese says it analyzed the financial feasibility of the schools after the impact of the virus. They wrote each school’s situation is unique but the support they receive has been affected by the suspension of mass.

All of them have received financial support from the archdiocese and its parishes. But the loss of contributions after the suspension of public mass was too much to keep the schools open.

Parents gathered at Most Holy Trinity in north St. Louis and say they wish they would have been a part of the conversation and that their kids will now go through yet another change.


Archdiocese of St. Louis closing three schools because of the financial strain of coronavirus

 

[mickey2942]

For those who think it's important to re-open everywhere now, and it's worth the lives that may be sacrificed, will there be any future death figure that would change your mind?

I think given the # of places intent on fully reopening, it is highly likely that there will be 200,000 Dead by the end of July, perhaps sooner.

So that means another 100,000 Dead within the next 2 1/2 months. Either you think there is no chance it will be that high, since things are under control, or you feel that it is a reasonable and acceptable estimate, and not worth the harm that would be done to the economy by going slower, and not rushing to reopen before the virus has been contained, and there is enough testing?

The real problem is that the United States will not "shut down" and contain people in areas with high infection levels. People are still getting on planes, and flying across the country. Nothing stops people from driving from New Jersey to California.

That is why this "re-open" won't work. There is no control over the "hot spots". It is like, let's just see if we can replicate what happened in NYC all over the United States.

 

[CSIDreamer]

For those who think it's important to re-open everywhere now, and it's worth the lives that may be sacrificed, will there be any future death figure that would change your mind?

I think given the # of places intent on fully reopening, it is highly likely that there will be 200,000 Dead by the end of July, perhaps sooner.

So that means another 100,000 Dead within the next 2 1/2 months. Either you think there is no chance it will be that high, since things are under control, or you feel that it is a reasonable and acceptable estimate, and not worth the harm that would be done to the economy by going slower, and not rushing to reopen before the virus has been contained, and there is enough testing?

There may be times we have to back up.

How many people losing their homes is too many?
How many suicides are too many?
How many businesses need to fail before it's too much?
How many domestic violence incidents are too many?


I don't think there is any government on this earth that can support the citizens of their country indefinitely.

And yes, I care about people.

 

[mickey2942]

There may be times we have to back up.

How many people losing their homes is too many?
How many suicides are too many?
How many businesses need to fail before it's too much?
How many domestic violence incidents are too many?


I don't think there is any government on this earth that can support the citizens of their country indefinitely.

And yes, I care about people.

I keep seeing articles about the "high rate of suicide", and it is mentioned frequently in the news.

What I have NOT seen, is any actual data that is aggregate, comparing suicide rates for last ten years in April, to the suicide rate in April, 2020. Not one article or news story has actually shown any figures.

I am not doubting the mental health issues, just why do people keep talking about all of these suicides, without providing any hard data?

 

[dotr]

Here are some significant developments:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/16/coronavirus-update-us/
May 16, 2020 at 4:54 p.m. EDT

• Former president Barack Obama spoke at a virtual commencement ceremony Saturday for graduates of historically black colleges and universities and touched on the major headlines of the day, including the government’s response to the novel coronavirus.
• Italy, under intense economic pressure to reopen its doors, moved to significantly unwind coronavirus-related movement restrictions.
• Colorado health officials revised the way they count deaths from the coronavirus to include only patients whose death certificates list the cause as covid-19.
• Clinical trials, academic research and scientific analysis indicate that the danger of hydroxychloroquine is a significantly increased risk of death for certain patients.
• For some, the stakes are higher than the fate of family businesses and already-threatened Chinatowns. They’re about what kind of country the United States wants to be.

 

[10ofRods]

Blood thinners are already part of the Standard of Care in many (I thought most) hospitals. I wouldn't go to a hospital where the doctors didn't have that listed as part of the Standard of Care. If you have a primary care doctor, ask them if they have admitting privileges to a local hospital or whether you have to go to the ER. If they don't have admitting privileges, ask them if they know a specialist who does have admitting privileges and make a new patient appointment.

Email staff at each doctor's office to inquire (from the doctor) whether they are using blood thinners as part of their SoC and if so, which ones. Provide any history about any pre-existing conditions. While you're at it, you might want to ask if they have experience with prone therapy and reduced ventilator use.

Anyway, blood thinner has been in use in California for more than a month. I have been taking 1 aspirin every other day at the least sign of sneezing or coughing (it's allergy season, and in theory, there are few vectors into my lungs, but one never knows).

I have a history of blood clots, so, I guess that stood out to me in the literature.

 

[10ofRods]

I keep seeing articles about the "high rate of suicide", and it is mentioned frequently in the news.

What I have NOT seen, is any actual data that is aggregate, comparing suicide rates for last ten years in April, to the suicide rate in April, 2020. Not one article or news story has actually shown any figures.

I am not doubting the mental health issues, just why do people keep talking about all of these suicides, without providing any hard data?

We're not there yet. CDC hasn't released good figures for April. All we have is a lot of social scientists discussing hypotheses and models before the data come in.

Data from Japan show the opposite (fewer suicides in March and April). Their data system, as in all of Asia, is modern and streamlined.

ETA: wasn't implying that our data would be the same as Japan's, but it could be. Different cultures, and so on.

 

[TMAN2014]

And yes, I care about people.

Thank you for presenting the other side. Sometimes I wonder if people realize many citizens own businesses, work for a living, and care for their workers and it is unrealistic for them to shutdown to some long period of time. These are not selfish people. They are family and friends. They are people who take risks. They are people who support good causes, things like Little League baseball, community causes like people getting sick, employing high school kids, etc. This country was built on small businesses like this.

You bring up many good points, like domestic violence and suicide. Great post.

 

[mickey2942]

We're not there yet. CDC hasn't released good figures for April. All we have is a lot of social scientists discussing hypotheses and models before the data come in.

Data from Japan show the opposite (fewer suicides in March and April). Their data system, as in all of Asia, is modern and streamlined.

I think that it is irresponsible to throw out words like "increased suicides", with absolutely zero data to back that up.

At this point, it is a guess. Not an actual fact. Yet, people refer to it as if they have the data right there in front of them.

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/
''Nearly half of Americans report the coronavirus crisis is harming their mental health, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll. A federal emergency hotline for people in emotional distress registered a more than 1,000 percent increase in April compared with the same time last year. Last month, roughly 20,000 people texted that hotline, run by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

Online therapy company Talkspace reported a 65 percent jump in clients since mid-February. Text messages and transcribed therapy sessions collected anonymously by the company show coronavirus-related anxiety dominating patients’ concerns.''

''Suicide experts and prevention groups have deliberately refrained from discussing too widely death projections such as those from the Meadows Institute. Experts say reporting excessively or sensationally on suicide can lead to increases in suicide attempts, an effect known as contagion. And the factors involved in any suicide are often complex, they point out.''

 

[CSIDreamer]

I keep seeing articles about the "high rate of suicide", and it is mentioned frequently in the news.

What I have NOT seen, is any actual data that is aggregate, comparing suicide rates for last ten years in April, to the suicide rate in April, 2020. Not one article or news story has actually shown any figures.

I am not doubting the mental health issues, just why do people keep talking about all of these suicides, without providing any hard data?

I'm looking around. This isn't suicide. But hotlines. I have to run to the grocery. I'll look more in a bit.

Feeling the pressures of the pandemic: Suicide hotlines see 800 percent spike in calls

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think that it is irresponsible to throw out words like "increased suicides", with absolutely zero data to back that up.

At this point, it is a guess. Not an actual fact. Yet, people refer to it as if they have the data right there in front of them.

For the record, I replied to another poster "how many suicides is too many".

I really hope you arent saying I'm irresponsible for throwing our the words "increased suicides" because I didn't use that phrase.

Anyway. Still off to find food. I'm a bit "hangry".