Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #62

[tresir2012]

Do waivers carry any legal weight? In these parts, Canada, waivers aren't worth a spit. You can sign a waiver saying you won't sue if you get CoVid, but it's still up to the sponsoring organisation to keep you safe, so if they organise an event that doesn't follow the public health guidelines, they can be sued.

That is the same in the UK. They hold no legal weight.

 

[tresir2012]

Testing in the US is not bigger and more advanced than any other country. Many countries have tested a larger portion of their population, including the UK, Russia, Spain, Finland, Belgium, and 22 others.

Have you got a working link for this? I have been using Worldometers but it just doesn't load the country data for me and more, for some reason. It was so easy to sort their data by tests per million to be able to see that.

 

[tresir2012]

Sorry to hear that.

At least we won't have to worry about Tulsa in a couple of weeks as hardly anyone came to a rally that was held today---or so I've been reading.

Yes a lot less than capacity I think but I had read there could be 100k including those outside. Haven't checked today yet.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Have you got a working link for this? I have been using Worldometers but it just doesn't load the country data for me and more, for some reason. It was so easy to sort their data by tests per million to be able to see that.

Worldometers still works for me and I can confirm musicaljoke is correct. The US is in 26th place, so the presidents claims are wrong.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 8,940,119 Cases and 467,151 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

[tresir2012]

Tulsa rally had about 10,000. Not good but not the 100,000 or 1 million predicted.

Do you have link, I know that we will be looking at this again in a couple of weeks.

These increased testings that are being reported in a younger age group now, could be from the protests two weeks ago IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

I expect the 1 million estimate was just blather, and the 100,000 estimate was what was hoped for. How many seats does the stadium have?

19,000. I posted a link upthread to the BOK center website.

 

[tresir2012]

Worldometers still works for me and I can confirm musicaljoke is correct. The US is in 26th place, so the presidents claims are wrong.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 8,940,119 Cases and 467,151 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

It still doesn't work for me . I am not doubting OP figures because I know that total numbers of cases is what put USA at number 1 but cases per million is what then places them at 26th. So he is not wrong regarding total number of tests. Obviously some states were slow to get started on the testing clearly IMO.

ETA I have found some info from JHU.
Graph at this link. Data shown below it.

All State Comparison of Testing Efforts

Cases, Deaths, and Testing in All 50 States
U.S.: ARE WE TESTING ENOUGH?
This graph shows the total number of cases, deaths, and tests performed in each state per 100,000 people. By comparing the rate of cases and deaths, we can get a sense of how COVID-19 has affected each state. Since confirmed case numbers may be dependent on how much testing a state is doing, it is also important to see how many tests have occurred in each state. If people who are infected cannot get tested, they will not be counted as a confirmed case in the state’s data.

This page was last updated on Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:00 AM EDT.

STATE
TESTS
CONFIRMED
CASES
DEATHS
Alabama 6779 593 16.8
Alaska 11341 98 1.6
Arizona 5469 654 18.4
Arkansas 7790 485 7.1
California 7978 432 13.7
Colorado 4643 530 28.8
Connecticut 10633 1275 118.6
Delaware 9350 1097 44.8
District of Columbia 10505 1417 75.4
Florida 7197 421 14.6
Georgia 6372 589 25.1
Hawaii 4628 56 1.2
Idaho 3964 221 5.1
Illinois 10297 1063 51.6
Indiana 5871 624 37.6
Iowa 7815 801 21.6
Kansas 5071 413 8.7
Kentucky 6965 301 11.7
Louisiana 12681 1041 66.2
Maine 5765 218 7.6
Maryland 7508 1052 50.1
Massachusetts 10878 1545 113.0
Michigan 8803 671 60.7
Minnesota 8468 571 24.8
Mississippi 7993 691 31.4
Missouri 4999 288 15.6
Montana 6441 63 1.9
Nebraska 7663 912 12.6
Nevada 7723 413 15.8
New Hampshire 7647 404 24.8
New Jersey 13407 1891 144.8
New Mexico 13371 490 22.1
New York 16677 1978 158.7
North Carolina 6860 479 11.6
North Dakota 12184 424 10.0
Ohio 5270 374 22.8
Oklahoma 6964 246 9.3
Oregon 4627 157 4.5
Pennsylvania 4976 665 50.0
Puerto Rico 194 194 4.6
Rhode Island 20296 1545 84.6
South Carolina 5671 445 12.6
South Dakota 8070 698 9.2
Tennessee 9774 502 7.6
Texas 4961 367 7.5
Utah 9090 520 4.9
Vermont 8923 183 8.9
Virginia 6016 667 18.8
Washington 5931 366 16.7
West Virginia 8086 137 4.9
Wisconsin 8066 415 12.6
Wyoming 6313 203 3.5
TESTS: per 100k pop.
CONFIRMED CASES: per 100k pop
DEATHS: per 100k pop

• Data Sources:
• Testing data from The COVID Tracking Project
  
  
• cases data from JHU CSSE
  
  
• and population from ACS 1-year data (2018).

It is important to track the testing that states are doing to diagnose people with COVID-19 infection in order to gauge the spread of COVID-19 in the U.S. and to know whether enough testing is occurring. When states report the number of COVID-19 tests performed, this should include the number of viral tests performed and the number of patients for which these tests were performed. Currently, states may not be distinguishing overall tests administered from the number of individuals who have been tested. This is an important limitation to the data that is available to track testing in the U.S., and states should work to address it.

When states report testing numbers for COVID-19 infection, they should not include serology or antibody tests. Antibody tests are not used to diagnose active COVID-19 infection and they do not provide insights into the number of cases of COVID-19 diagnosed or whether viral testing is sufficient to find infections that are occurring within each state. States that include serology tests within their overall COVID-19 testing numbers are misrepresenting their testing capacity and the extent to which they are working to identify COVID-19 infections within their communities. States that wish to track the number of serology tests being performed should report those numbers separately from viral tests performed to diagnose COVID-19.

 

[weepingangel]

Indoor dining starts here tomorrow honestly some of the outdoor options don’t look that great to me
Lots of socializing going on regardless. One outbreak at a workplace linked to a Memorial Day BBQ
Hospital employee numbers still going up.
Virus continues downward trend in Worcester, but vigilance still utmost (Massachusetts)

Dr. Michael P. Hirsh, the city’s medical director, said the way the virus spreads, one person’s actions can have an outsized impact. He said, for example, that contact tracing in the midst of an outbreak at a local manufacturer revealed that it started outside of work, at a Memorial Day Weekend gathering.

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Hirsh said the contact tracing is also revealing that the virus has taken advantage of continued economic and racial disparities in society. People who can’t isolate well, can’t easily protect themselves from family members, or can’t call in sick because they can’t go without a paycheck are common threads found in clusters of cases, he said. He also noted that while overall the city’s numbers are down, testing at the city’s two federally funded health centers continues to show higher positivity rates.

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Augustus said the “pop-up” testing sites made available this week to people who have participated in large gatherings or protests in recent weeks have logged 780 tests. He said so far, 665 results have come back, showing just 13 positive cases, for a rate of less than 2%.

Our local protesters were heavily masked. Moo

Our Dining is still take out as well or Patio. Everyone has a Patio now. Even utilizing their parking lots.

 

[ilovewings]

We turned down a request for a wedding rehearsal for 36 people at our restaurant for next Friday. Potential income of up to $2,000. That we could really use/need. But, the risk of somebody getting sick, and blaming us is too great.
It sucks.
My poor husband is on the frontline with all of this. All weekend, people were coming in without masks. He tells them, I'm sorry but you cannot come in here without a mask and they get in his face. Arguing that masks are useless. He has to keep telling them, that these are not our rules.
We have signs posted, but, they ignore them.
We cannot risk being closed down. We're in California.

I feel badly that you have to go through all that----

 

[JerseyGirl]

.... The US is in 26th place, so the presidents claims are wrong.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 8,940,119 Cases and 467,151 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

No surprise there. I believe you.

 

[ilovewings]

Sorry to hear that.

At least we won't have to worry about Tulsa in a couple of weeks as hardly anyone came to a rally that was held today---or so I've been reading.

There were still thousands of people there (anywhere from 1/2 full to 2/3 full depending on who you believe). Let's say there were 6000 people there: that is a lot of people breathing on each other: i saw pics on TV and the people there were shoulder to shoulder: a few wore masks. I would not say we don't have to worry about those people spreading the virus.

 

[ilovewings]

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

This is a good article with data that proves ( to my way of thinking) that a faster response by the President and others at the top levels in government, could have prevented most US Covid deaths. I am interested in your opinions.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It still doesn't work for me . I am not doubting OP figures because I know that total numbers of cases is what put USA at number 1 but cases per million is what then places them at 26th. So he is not wrong regarding total number of tests. Obviously some states were slow to get started on the testing clearly IMO.

ETA I have found some info from JHU.
Graph at this link. Data shown below it.

All State Comparison of Testing Efforts

Cases, Deaths, and Testing in All 50 States
U.S.: ARE WE TESTING ENOUGH?
This graph shows the total number of cases, deaths, and tests performed in each state per 100,000 people. By comparing the rate of cases and deaths, we can get a sense of how COVID-19 has affected each state. Since confirmed case numbers may be dependent on how much testing a state is doing, it is also important to see how many tests have occurred in each state. If people who are infected cannot get tested, they will not be counted as a confirmed case in the state’s data.

This page was last updated on Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:00 AM EDT.

STATE
TESTS
CONFIRMED
CASES
DEATHS
Alabama 6779 593 16.8
Alaska 11341 98 1.6
Arizona 5469 654 18.4
Arkansas 7790 485 7.1
California 7978 432 13.7
Colorado 4643 530 28.8
Connecticut 10633 1275 118.6
Delaware 9350 1097 44.8
District of Columbia 10505 1417 75.4
Florida 7197 421 14.6
Georgia 6372 589 25.1
Hawaii 4628 56 1.2
Idaho 3964 221 5.1
Illinois 10297 1063 51.6
Indiana 5871 624 37.6
Iowa 7815 801 21.6
Kansas 5071 413 8.7
Kentucky 6965 301 11.7
Louisiana 12681 1041 66.2
Maine 5765 218 7.6
Maryland 7508 1052 50.1
Massachusetts 10878 1545 113.0
Michigan 8803 671 60.7
Minnesota 8468 571 24.8
Mississippi 7993 691 31.4
Missouri 4999 288 15.6
Montana 6441 63 1.9
Nebraska 7663 912 12.6
Nevada 7723 413 15.8
New Hampshire 7647 404 24.8
New Jersey 13407 1891 144.8
New Mexico 13371 490 22.1
New York 16677 1978 158.7
North Carolina 6860 479 11.6
North Dakota 12184 424 10.0
Ohio 5270 374 22.8
Oklahoma 6964 246 9.3
Oregon 4627 157 4.5
Pennsylvania 4976 665 50.0
Puerto Rico 194 194 4.6
Rhode Island 20296 1545 84.6
South Carolina 5671 445 12.6
South Dakota 8070 698 9.2
Tennessee 9774 502 7.6
Texas 4961 367 7.5
Utah 9090 520 4.9
Vermont 8923 183 8.9
Virginia 6016 667 18.8
Washington 5931 366 16.7
West Virginia 8086 137 4.9
Wisconsin 8066 415 12.6
Wyoming 6313 203 3.5
TESTS: per 100k pop.
CONFIRMED CASES: per 100k pop
DEATHS: per 100k pop

• Data Sources:
• Testing data from The COVID Tracking Project
  
  
• cases data from JHU CSSE
  
  
• and population from ACS 1-year data (2018).

It is important to track the testing that states are doing to diagnose people with COVID-19 infection in order to gauge the spread of COVID-19 in the U.S. and to know whether enough testing is occurring. When states report the number of COVID-19 tests performed, this should include the number of viral tests performed and the number of patients for which these tests were performed. Currently, states may not be distinguishing overall tests administered from the number of individuals who have been tested. This is an important limitation to the data that is available to track testing in the U.S., and states should work to address it.

When states report testing numbers for COVID-19 infection, they should not include serology or antibody tests. Antibody tests are not used to diagnose active COVID-19 infection and they do not provide insights into the number of cases of COVID-19 diagnosed or whether viral testing is sufficient to find infections that are occurring within each state. States that include serology tests within their overall COVID-19 testing numbers are misrepresenting their testing capacity and the extent to which they are working to identify COVID-19 infections within their communities. States that wish to track the number of serology tests being performed should report those numbers separately from viral tests performed to diagnose COVID-19.

No, it’s tests per million that we were talking about, not cases per million. Trump implied the US was no1 at testing, but that’s clearly not at all correct. Other countries, including the UK, have tested a much higher proportion of their citizens.

I cannot cast aspersions given the horribly high rate of UK deaths. But neither can we accept the presidents claims that they are leading in the testing stakes. Neither country is doing “well”.

Need to keep things factually accurate rather than accepting the skewed and conveniently biased claims of some of our world leaders.

 

[tresir2012]

There were still thousands of people there (anywhere from 1/2 full to 2/3 full depending on who you believe). Let's say there were 6000 people there: that is a lot of people breathing on each other: i saw pics on TV and the people there were shoulder to shoulder: a few wore masks. I would not say we don't have to worry about those people spreading the virus.

Let's say the rate is the same as the protesters tested as shown above so 2%. 2% of 9,000 would mean 180 possibly testing positive. Death rate of 5% could mean 9 people dying. Out of 9,000. What would be good is if they and everyone, can get quick, easy free tests. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

No, it’s tests per million that we were talking about, not cases per million. Trump implied the US was no1 at testing, but that’s clearly not at all correct. Other countries, including the UK, have tested a much higher proportion of their citizens.

I cannot cast aspersions given the horribly high rate of UK deaths. But neither can we accept the presidents claims that they are leading in the testing stakes. Neither country is doing “well”.

Need to keep things factually accurate rather than accepting the skewed and conveniently biased claims of some of our world leaders.

Yes sorry tests per million. Not cases per million. Not sure of total number of tests. The figures and graph I have linked shows both by state. Current testing of protesters shows a 2% positive case rate. On that JHU list for example NY and NJ have a high cases per tests rate of more than 10%.

ETA I also notice Rhode Island, New York and New Jersey are top of the testing numbers.

 

[tresir2012]

Tulsa police Twitter feed FYI.

Tulsa Police (@TulsaPolice) on Twitter

 

[tresir2012]

There were still thousands of people there (anywhere from 1/2 full to 2/3 full depending on who you believe). Let's say there were 6000 people there: that is a lot of people breathing on each other: i saw pics on TV and the people there were shoulder to shoulder: a few wore masks. I would not say we don't have to worry about those people spreading the virus.

I've now seen the pics and it looked like the very top tier was empty, approx the top third on my estimate so maybe 2/3 capacity 12k or so. MOO

 

[JerseyGirl]

I've now seen the pics and it looked like the very top tier was empty, approx the top third on my estimate so maybe 2/3 capacity 12k or so. MOO

Half that, report said 6.2k:
Turnout At Trump’s Tulsa Rally Was Just Under 6,200–A Fraction Of The Venue’s 19,200 Capacity

Pics:
Trump mocked for low attendance at rally

 

[jjenny]

Half that, report said 6.2k:
Turnout At Trump’s Tulsa Rally Was Just Under 6,200–A Fraction Of The Venue’s 19,200 Capacity

Pics:
Trump mocked for low attendance at rally

That's still a pretty large group of people. In all likelihood, some were already infected and spread it around.

 

[jjenny]

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Comedian D.L. Hughley announced he tested positive for COVID-19 after collapsing onstage during a performance in Nashville, Tennessee."
Comedian DL Hughley COVID-19 positive after fainting onstage