Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #82

[GRT]

Suicide rates in the US were rising steadily for 2 years before CoVId, so we'd need to disentangle all the reasons (there are lots of studies, but this isn't a place where we can do a seminar on it),

The literature on DV and being isolated at home, by contrast, is 30 years old and definitely predicted the rise.

If it is true that more Americans committed suicide or considered it due to the shutdown (and disentangle economic factors from working-at-home-getting-same-income factors), then we have to ponder why America specifically has this issue as compared to other even-more-tightly-locked down nations, where economies were really poor to begin with.

Perhaps it's the fear so many have that they can't go to a doctor or hospital due to no insurance. But I need to see studies to relate the continued increase in fentanyl deaths (which is driving the suicide statistics) to be related specifically to CoVid...

I'm sure someday they'll do more extensive studies to determine the extent of the detrimental effects of the shutdowns but a number of stories are already out, such as this Reuter's article about increased domestic violence and school dropout rates, and a predicted 20,000 more suicides in the US and Europe.

The KHN Morning Briefing details how now only has domestic violence risen, the injuries are much more severe.

Perhaps the saddest is the impact on children because visits to the ER for child abuse have risen 35%.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. While we need to take safety measures, as a society, we also have to balance trying to stay healthy with the negative effects on human beings.

 

[rogue ant]

A reporter shouted questions at Trump as he walked out of Walter Reed :
How many of your staff are infected?
Do you think you might be a superspreader?

He did not answer.

 

[Sundog]

That is not necessarily true, according to what happened 3 weeks ago in the NFL testing process:

False Positive COVID-19 Results a Major Problem for NFL

77 NFL players and team personnel had false-positive coronavirus test results over the weekend which could be a major problem during the regular season.


https://www.si.com/gambling/2020/08/24/nfl-false-positive
AUG 24, 2020

According to a statement by Dr. Jon Cohen, the executive chairman of BioReference labs, the false positives were, “caused by an isolated contamination during test preparation.” Cohen went on to say “possible causes and subsequent testing has indicated that the issue has been resolved. All individuals impacted have been confirmed negative and informed.”

It was national news when the Governor of Ohio, Mike DeWine, tested positive following a rapid test when he was to attend a meeting with the President here in Ohio. He wasn't able to enter the event. He immediately followed up with a PCR test and he was negative. It was a false positive rapid test.

 

[CharlestonGal]

A reporter shouted questions at Trump as he walked out of Walter Reed :
How many of your staff are infected?
Do you think you might be a superspreader?

He did not answer.

Someone needs to answer those questions. We, the people, have installed that staff to represent us and carry out our wishes in running the country. We have the right to know what the conditions are there.

And more importantly, what they plan to do about it, now and in the future to prevent this happening again.

 

[musicaljoke]

Whatever happened to principled physicians who refuse to comment on a patient who they have not treated. This so-called analyst probably shouldn't quit her day job. IMO.

All physicians have a mandatory Duty to Report.

"Physicians must report to the Medical Officer of Health of the health unit in which the professional services were provided, as soon as possible when, in the course of providing professional services, they have formed the opinion that an individual:

has or may have a disease of public health significance and is not a patient in or an out-patient of a hospital;

is or may be infected with an agent of a communicable disease;

is under the care and treatment of the physician for a communicable disease, but refuses treatment, or neglects to continue treatment in a manner and to a degree that is satisfactory to the physician."

CPSO - Mandatory and Permissive Reporting

 

[Lilibet]

Posting CDC guidelines for social and personal activities. A review for most of us, but good info to keep on hand.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

 

[RANCH]

All physicians have a mandatory Duty to Report.

"Physicians must report to the Medical Officer of Health of the health unit in which the professional services were provided, as soon as possible when, in the course of providing professional services, they have formed the opinion that an individual:

has or may have a disease of public health significance and is not a patient in or an out-patient of a hospital;

is or may be infected with an agent of a communicable disease;

is under the care and treatment of the physician for a communicable disease, but refuses treatment, or neglects to continue treatment in a manner and to a degree that is satisfactory to the physician."

CPSO - Mandatory and Permissive Reporting

Is posting a Tweet the proper way to file a report?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Someone needs to answer those questions. We, the people, have installed that staff to represent us and carry out our wishes in running the country. We have the right to know what the conditions are there.

And more importantly, what they plan to do about it, now and in the future to prevent this happening again.

Or we need to send in the Red Cross or WHO or someone to teach these people some basic hygiene. Sort of gross to consider this much spread in a circle of friends.

Kayleigh McEneny has it now. No masks for her. And she has a baby.

I expect better from my leaders.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Did he just take his mask off?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Who does that? I go to work every single day, virus or no virus. You can be darn sure I act to protect everyone around me and myself.

Exactly - it's entirely possible to live life as normally as necessary while protecting those around you in simple ways. This is what annoys me when people shout about their individual rights to not comply with this or that; it really is intrinsic selfishness at it's worst.

By the way I've often thought it but never said it - you have the most apt username on this forum. Thank you for always being reasonable and just.

 

[Lilibet]

Did he just take his mask off?

Yes.

 

[Bravo]

Did he just take his mask off?

Yes

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Is posting a Tweet the proper way to file a report?

It's not the proper way to do anything important, IMO. But people still do, and think it's legit.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Are you including the WH as not following manufacturers' instructions with their tests? Have you a link? That is putting the President at risk.

Kayleigh McEnany is a classic example. The incubation period is well established as generally being 1-14 days. In Australia a returned traveller must quarantine for 14 days. If tests were accurate on Day 1 and showed negative then there would be no need for this quarantine. But we make them quarantine for the entire 14 days because a positive test result might not show up until Day 10.

Kayleigh was a close contact of a positive case, yet used her negative test results to go about her business, potentially exposing others to the virus. Hence the “false sense of security” the tests appear to be giving those in the White House, IMO, despite these established protocols all around the world.

Here in Australia, close contacts of positive cases need to quarantine for 14 days. For this very reason.

Kayleigh McEnany infected with COVID-19

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Exactly - it's entirely possible to live life as normally as necessary while protecting those around you in simple ways. This is what annoys me when people shout about their individual rights to not comply with this or that; it really is intrinsic selfishness at it's worst.

By the way I've often thought it but never said it - you have the most apt username on this forum. Thank you for always being reasonable and just.

Well, thank you That was kind.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Do we think that this look will become the new norm that we saw all wearing masks outdoors on October 2nd as they awaited the helicopter to depart?



Source for photo: Worries behind the scenes at White House after Trump COVID diagnosis

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I can't believe he took his mask off around those photographers and then walked inside the White House with it off. (Fox News has footage) What the heck??!! What about his staff? The other people who work there?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Harvest Crusade pastor Greg Laurie says he has COVID-19 after White House visit

The pastor of the megachurch Harvest Christian Fellowship was an attendee at the Rose Garden on Sept. 26 when President Trump announced the Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett... At least 11 attendees of the large gathering — at which there was no social distancing and few people wore masks — have since tested positive for the virus

 

[CSIDreamer]

Harvest Crusade pastor Greg Laurie says he has COVID-19 after White House visit

The pastor of the megachurch Harvest Christian Fellowship was an attendee at the Rose Garden on Sept. 26 when President Trump announced the Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett... At least 11 attendees of the large gathering — at which there was no social distancing and few people wore masks — have since tested positive for the virus

Laurie, who tested positive Friday, has since quarantined and has experienced fatigue, aches, a fever and a loss of taste, which he described as a Romans 8:28 moment. The biblical Scripture verse states: “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.”

“I wish at a time like this we could not politicize something like this,” Laurie said in a video announcing his diagnosis. “It’s real.

 

[10ofRods]

New Zealand is such a low populated and sparsely populated country. I’d be shocked if they didn’t do a good job of covid to be honest. I think the same for Scotland; A population of 5 million? Sparsely populated and no major airport hub yet has one of the worst death rates in the world. It’s crazy.

Sadly, Scotland is seeing an uptick. So is North Ireland. This happens in rural areas when it finally lands - urbanites spread it so quickly, it doesn't take long before it's noticed (in a variety of ways).

Rural areas may go quite some time before it "hits" in their community and then the usual vectors spread it.

12,594 new cases announced on Monday

I don't know. Maybe fear of dying is a stronger emotion than having to stay inside your home. JMO

I don't think there's any way of comparing or measuring that scientifically, so it will always be a maybe. I'm more afraid of being debilitated/demented/confused than I am of dying.

I don't have strong emotion about any of it, actually (according to the kinds of scientific tests we use to test the limbic system). I was very anxious about dying when I was 19-20 and first diagnosed with a congenital heart ailment (which causes sudden cardiac death syndrome) but...by now, I'm pretty much over it. Not dead yet.