Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #83

[Reasonable & Just]

The 'evidence is clear': Hydroxychloroquine doesn't help Covid-19 patients

Researchers at the University of Oxford in the U.K. have concluded that hydroxychloroquine does nothing to prevent Covid-19-related deaths.

The research is a continuation of a major clinical trial that found that the drug — which has previously been touted by President Donald Trump and White House trade adviser Peter Navarro — had no clinical benefit.

The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, examined the outcomes of 1,561 patients hospitalized with Covid-19 who received hydroxychloroquine and compared them to 3,155 patients who served as a control group.

Within a month, about a quarter of the patients in each group had died.

I had wondered why they didn't give it to Trump. I was sure they would, since it was touted as a miracle. Glad they gave him the good stuff.

 

[mickey2942]

As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire," Osterholm told CNN's Jake Tapper.

"Unfortunately, despite loudly voicing our concerns about a premature reopening of schools, we now find ourselves in complete fear and misery after only four days," Karla Hernandez-Mats, president of the district's teachers union, wrote in a statement on Thursday.

US Coronavirus: Florida will be 'like a house on fire' in weeks, infectious disease expert says - CNN

So, with a community spread like that, it seems like the health department would up the restrictions, close gyms, bars and restaurants to 25%.

Oh, it is Florida. Of course. Carry on.

 

[CSIDreamer]

That ain't gonna cut it in Montana. It is not just the temp, it is the incessant wind. One time, I put a pie on the porch to cool. I went out to bring it in, it was halfway across the yard. A pecan pie, in a ceramic dish. Dang it.

Mickey you need to buy yourself a full leather (chaps and all) Harley outfit. Vroom vroom.

It should help with the wind

 

[CharlestonGal]

As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire," Osterholm told CNN's Jake Tapper.

"Unfortunately, despite loudly voicing our concerns about a premature reopening of schools, we now find ourselves in complete fear and misery after only four days," Karla Hernandez-Mats, president of the district's teachers union, wrote in a statement on Thursday.

US Coronavirus: Florida will be 'like a house on fire' in weeks, infectious disease expert says - CNN

Brings me back to the spring break days when people were aghast that FL opened the beaches. For a few weeks afterwards, when nothing much happened, they were like, "See? Nothing to see here." And we all know what happened after that.

Round 2 coming right up.

 

[MimosaMornings]

As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire," Osterholm told CNN's Jake Tapper.

"Unfortunately, despite loudly voicing our concerns about a premature reopening of schools, we now find ourselves in complete fear and misery after only four days," Karla Hernandez-Mats, president of the district's teachers union, wrote in a statement on Thursday.

US Coronavirus: Florida will be 'like a house on fire' in weeks, infectious disease expert says - CNN

Sounds like Florida will be on the do not travel to list.
JMO

 

[BUF]

Sounds like Florida will be on the do not travel to list.
JMO

We just got off that list not that long ago

 

[drama_farmer]

Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including 'Dr Johnny Bananas'

An open letter that made headlines calling for a herd immunity approach to Covid-19 lists a number of apparently fake names among its expert signatories, including “Dr Johnny Bananas” and “Professor Cominic Dummings”.

The Great Barrington declaration, which was said to have been signed by more than 15,000 scientists and medical practitioners around the world, was found by Sky News to contain numerous false names, as well as those of several homeopaths.

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

 

[Tillicum]

So I'm sitting here at my computer crying and praying. My son is in the ER with Afib and I can't go in and see him because of Covid. My grandkids are home worrying and I can't be with them because of Covid. I hate this. Please pray.

 

[Rocco]

May I suggest you go online, put in Trump Balcony Rally, then click images at the top. Scroll. You will see no masks.

I did as you suggested but I'm not finding anywhere to click 'images'. Perhaps the person who wrote the article in the link should have included an image of people not wearing masks, instead of an image of all the people wearing masks.

 

[MimosaMornings]

May I suggest you go online, put in Trump Balcony Rally, then click images at the top. Scroll. You will see no masks.

Photos: Hundreds of supporters gather for Trump’s White House event - The Boston Globe

Several pictures in this article.

 

[MimosaMornings]

So I'm sitting here at my computer crying and praying. My son is in the ER with Afib and I can't go in and see him because of Covid. My grandkids are home worrying and I can't be with them because of Covid. I hate this. Please pray.

Oh no We will be thinking of you and your family. I’m so sorry to hear about your son.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I did as you suggested but I'm not finding anywhere to click 'images'. Perhaps the person who wrote the article in the link should have included an image of people not wearing masks, instead of an image of all the people wearing masks.

I saw lots of pictures in this article - it looks to me like a lot of people not wearing masks, or having them pulled down, specifically prior to the event.

"Hundreds of people sporting MAGA caps and waving American flags flocked to Washington DC late Saturday morning ahead of the event on the White House South Lawn kicking off at 2 p.m.

They arrived for a rally at The Ellipse before Trump's event early afternoon.

Many were dressed in blue shirts for the Blexit DC Back the Blue event, where they were packed in close together flouting social distancing and not wearing masks.

After the Blexit rally, attendees shared food, passing round pizza stoking more concerns of spreading the virus."

Trump tells crowd of hundreds 'I'm feeling great' in first public event since his COVID diagnosis | Daily Mail Online

 

[Timekeeper65]

This is a world-wide phenomenon, not just with CoVid but with any kind of rigid belief system. Lots of terminology for this kind of thing in anthropology, but basically these belief systems are "non-inclusive" (meaning you are either with them or you are against them and you can't join easily). They are "corporate" in their beliefs (high degree of intra-group consistency in beliefs - everyone believes the same thing, so that everyone they run into reaffirms their beliefs).

You must accept their basic premises and study on them a long time (they will tell you) before you can truly understand them. In this case, many core pandemic/CoVid denier beliefs have to do with conspiracy theories, the idea that there's a "deep state" and a giant conspiracy against the Bible, God and Jesus's second coming.

It's prudent to be wary of belief systems that basically tell all outsiders "You simply cannot understand the Truth unless you join us" and joining means "unquestioning acceptance of everything in the belief system." A person has to humble themselves before this new belief system, take it on faith, accept it completely and seek help if they ever have doubts (by calling upon True Believers). Willa Appel has written an entire book on this. If you're raised in it, it's hard to get out.

Tons of these kinds of belief systems in the world, through all time. If you ask hard questions of them (or, even, what would appear to be easy questions to a non-believer), they will tell you that you need to study more and learn more and believe harder. That it will take you "years and years" to really get it - that you need to allow them to just tell you the answers in the meantime but in future, it will all "come together" and you too will believe as they do.

Empirical evidence never enters in.

@10ofRods I not only “like” this comment...I am in total agreement. I am related to, and know, folks who truly believe this is “just the flu”, “it’s all a hoax”, “ what about car accidents and cancer”, “we still gotta live our lives”.

We have been told by experts what we need to do to be safe. We either listen to the experts and follow advice - or we don’t. I trust the experts.

Hope all of you stay safe.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

So I'm sitting here at my computer crying and praying. My son is in the ER with Afib and I can't go in and see him because of Covid. My grandkids are home worrying and I can't be with them because of Covid. I hate this. Please pray.

Oh, wow. I'm so sorry you are going through this. You're all in my prayers.

 

[SouthAussie]

I saw lots of pictures in this article - it looks to me like a lot of people not wearing masks, or having them pulled down, specifically prior to the event.

"Hundreds of people sporting MAGA caps and waving American flags flocked to Washington DC late Saturday morning ahead of the event on the White House South Lawn kicking off at 2 p.m.

They arrived for a rally at The Ellipse before Trump's event early afternoon.

Many were dressed in blue shirts for the Blexit DC Back the Blue event, where they were packed in close together flouting social distancing and not wearing masks.

After the Blexit rally, attendees shared food, passing round pizza stoking more concerns of spreading the virus."

Trump tells crowd of hundreds 'I'm feeling great' in first public event since his COVID diagnosis | Daily Mail Online

One thing about this is that despite sending out about 2,000 invitiations only a few hundred showed up for the event. Many of those few hundred already being in town for the other event.
This could help to reduce the spread that may very well happen after an event like this. IMO
Fingers crossed.


"One White House official said that about 2,000 invitations had been sent out. But the crowd on Saturday was made up of a few hundred attendees, many of whom were in town for a gathering of the so-called Blexit movement"

Trump Makes First Public Appearance Since Leaving Walter Reed
(If you sign up for a free account you will be able to access the article - sorry to keep repeating this, I just don't want people to forget and think the article is strictly paywalled)

 

[mickey2942]

So I'm sitting here at my computer crying and praying. My son is in the ER with Afib and I can't go in and see him because of Covid. My grandkids are home worrying and I can't be with them because of Covid. I hate this. Please pray.

I am so sorry. Hug. Been there, done that. It is baloney. I had the same thing happen to me last month. I dropped my husband off at the ER, thought he was having a heart attack. Which is no joke, as he actually died with his last one.

And yeah, they told me to leave. He was in the hospital for four days. I am his medical POA, and they didn't even respect that. I couldn't see him the entire time. He is okay.

I bet your son will be okay too.

 

[RANCH]

Viral clip shows Biden lowering his mask to cough in his hand

Biden, who sported a mask and his iconic aviators at a voter drive-in event, had taken a moment to catch his breath while speaking to supporters.

However, the Democratic nominee lowered his mask and coughed into his hand before covering his face again.

Viral clip shows Biden lowering his mask to cough in his hand

 

[beatrixpotter]

So I'm sitting here at my computer crying and praying. My son is in the ER with Afib and I can't go in and see him because of Covid. My grandkids are home worrying and I can't be with them because of Covid. I hate this. Please pray.

I'm so sorry. My 19 yo son had to go to the ER twice this year during the COVID limitations and no one could go in with him. It was really hard.
I hope your son is ok soon!

 

[anneg]

That ain't gonna cut it in Montana. It is not just the temp, it is the incessant wind. One time, I put a pie on the porch to cool. I went out to bring it in, it was halfway across the yard. A pecan pie, in a ceramic dish. Dang it.

Thanks for the description of the pie--dang indeed! We had pecan pie last Thanksgiving (plus an apple pie), when a group of friends dined at our house and we had a typical turkey-mashed-potatoes-stuffing-gravy-green-bean-casserole-sweet-potato-and-apple-casserole-cranberry sauce kind of meal. Everybody brought something. But Not This Year.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I saw lots of pictures in this article - it looks to me like a lot of people not wearing masks, or having them pulled down, specifically prior to the event.

"Hundreds of people sporting MAGA caps and waving American flags flocked to Washington DC late Saturday morning ahead of the event on the White House South Lawn kicking off at 2 p.m.

They arrived for a rally at The Ellipse before Trump's event early afternoon.

Many were dressed in blue shirts for the Blexit DC Back the Blue event, where they were packed in close together flouting social distancing and not wearing masks.

After the Blexit rally, attendees shared food, passing round pizza stoking more concerns of spreading the virus."

Trump tells crowd of hundreds 'I'm feeling great' in first public event since his COVID diagnosis | Daily Mail Online

So, at the WH event, they were wearing masks.
Prior to that, no?