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10ofRods said:
You have 1492 deaths. I'm not sure where you're getting your figures.

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As of yesterday, Dec 30, San Diego county had 1472 total deaths (about 3.5X more than you're stating).

And then, your math is really really questionable. First, only 152,000 San Diego County residents have had Covid! That's good!

But it's only because San Diego took measures to repress and mitigate it.

Of the San Diegans who got COVID, about 1% died!!! Not .0009%

Can you imagine if everyone in your area got COVID? I hope so - because that's where we might be going.

Still, it's true that 1% is a far better number than in South Dakota or North Dakota or my county or the USA as a whole. Yay. But it's only because San Diego has shut down and been sensible

Let's go further. You have 3.3 million people, mostly pretty well-off, and hardly anyone has gotten COVID - yet.

Where's the B.S. in that? No one who studies disease seriously looks at the total available population as a first measure of analysis. We look at how many positive cases and then, how many die (given the medical system in the area).

Once again, SDCounty is lucky - it's had only 152,000 cases. California has had it easy. Take a look at UK or New Jersey. But it means that with 3.3 million people, you have a long, long way to go before this disease rips through your whole population.

1% mortality is great, though. SD did a lot to protect its hospitals and care homes - it shows. But to me, if 1% of my friends and family and students and acquaintances and medical providers...die...that's way too many. That's not B.S.
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As well, it is not only about the amount of deaths. It is about how many covid-sick people are in the hospital. San Diego county hospitals are buckling under the weight. Their hospital staff are under great stress.


Remember the length of stay for these patients, is probably averaging around 12 to 15 days, which is a much longer length of stay, but we have patients sometimes that are in the hospital for 30 days, 40 days, 50 days or longer. It's not that we fill up a hospital and these patients come in and they go home quickly. They come in and they stay on top of other patients that need a bed. And that's where the impact really comes in.

We have even our own employees testing positive. Even a few more today got tested positive because they probably did what they shouldn't have done at Thanksgiving or Christmas as well.
If you were to go to the hospitals, and you don't want to be in the hospitals right now, the staff is really stretched. We're running out of resources now.
We're losing our staff and there's just no staff to get.

Over this last weekend, we had one day where 10 patients died. I know Sharp had a very similar day where 10 COVID patients died. We had four this morning that got reported. We probably had more than 30 patients die over this last weekend.

With a second COVID-19 surge expected, how are San Diego hospitals planning to meet the demand? | cbs8.com
 
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California has had it easy??
Look at LA County, where I live.
We've got nearly 800,000 cases, more than 10,000 deaths...and climbing.
Hospitals are full.
Good friend contracted Covid last week, after being super cautious. Had to wait EIGHT hours in the ambulance before taken in. She was in hospital on oxygen for 4 days, treated in a STOREROOM.
Several hospitals have tents outside now. No room.
ICUs are full.....some areas they may have to start rationing care.
10 days ago ICU capacity was already at 0%

This in NOT BS

la county covid cases
Bodies pile up, patient care falters as COVID-19 devastates L.A. County hospitals
Southern California ICU capacity drops to 0% as state reports 379 new deaths, shattering record
More people without underlying conditions are dying from COVID in LA County
 
MimosaMornings said:
936,250 population

54,225 total cases
7,748 cases reported in last 14 days
3,668 hospitalizations
585 deaths


Atlanta-based Northside system has seen a 100 percent increase in total COVID-19 patients over the past month.

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Looks like the 30-59 year olds make up a lot of the cases. The primary working population. The people who are out and about 5 days a week.
 
California is a Huge area.
Not all areas are the same.
I am very sorry for your friend.
Sincerely.
whitelilac said:
California has had it easy??
Look at LA County, where I live.
We've got nearly 800,000 cases, more than 10,000 deaths...and climbing.
Hospitals are full.
Good friend contracted Covid last week, after being super cautious. Had to wait EIGHT hours in the ambulance before taken in. She was in hospital on oxygen for 4 days, treated in a STOREROOM.
Several hospitals have tents outside now. No room.
ICUs are full.....some areas they may have to start rationing care.
10 days ago ICU capacity was already at 0%

This in NOT BS

la county covid cases
Bodies pile up, patient care falters as COVID-19 devastates L.A. County hospitals
Southern California ICU capacity drops to 0% as state reports 379 new deaths, shattering record
More people without underlying conditions are dying from COVID in LA County
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whitelilac said:
California has had it easy??
Look at LA County, where I live.
We've got nearly 800,000 cases, more than 10,000 deaths...and climbing.
Hospitals are full.
Good friend contracted Covid last week, after being super cautious. Had to wait EIGHT hours in the ambulance before taken in. She was in hospital on oxygen for 4 days, treated in a STOREROOM.
Several hospitals have tents outside now. No room.
ICUs are full.....some areas they may have to start rationing care.
10 days ago ICU capacity was already at 0%

This in NOT BS

la county covid cases
Bodies pile up, patient care falters as COVID-19 devastates L.A. County hospitals
Southern California ICU capacity drops to 0% as state reports 379 new deaths, shattering record
More people without underlying conditions are dying from COVID in LA County
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I'm in L.A. County as well. Very scared.
Total population ~10,000,000
Using your # : 800,000 cases and 10,000 deaths

This means:
8 % of population had/has been infected (1 in 12.5 persons)
and
1 in 80 infected died.
Not BS indeed.

2020 is almost over for us here (in about 30 min).
Congratulations to all of us for surviving the most difficult year of our lives.
 
PICTURED: Milwaukee pharmacist who 'deliberately spoiled 57 vials of Moderna vaccine | Daily Mail Online

"Police have arrested a Wisconsin pharmacist accused of deliberately spoiling 57 vials of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine by taking them out of a fridge and leaving them out overnight before 57 people were given the 'ineffective' dose.

The male healthcare worker has not officially been named. A roster of inmates at Ozaukee County Jail show that [redacted], 46, was booked on Thursday on the same charges."
 
United House of Prayer hosting another major event | wcnc.com

“As state health officials warn against large gatherings to ring in 2021, WCNC Charlotte has learned a local church is hosting a gathering that’s expected to bring out hundreds of attendees.

House of Prayer churches from all over the area are expected to bring in members in by the busloads.

“It’s going to be a large crowd It’s going to be at least 500 plus," said a member who spoke anonymously and exclusively to WCNC Charlotte's Billie Jean Shaw Thursday.

According to the Mecklenburg County Health Department, at least 208 COVID-19 cases and nine deaths were traced back to the event.

WCNC Charlotte obtained letters the bishop sent to members encouraging them to attend the mass gatherings despite peaking COVID cases across the country. WCNC Charlotte also obtained audio of Bishop Bailey telling a congregation he healed them from COVID-19.”

Here we go again....like 208 cases and 9 deaths weren’t enough from the last event.
 
MimosaMornings said:
United House of Prayer hosting another major event | wcnc.com

“As state health officials warn against large gatherings to ring in 2021, WCNC Charlotte has learned a local church is hosting a gathering that’s expected to bring out hundreds of attendees.

House of Prayer churches from all over the area are expected to bring in members in by the busloads.

“It’s going to be a large crowd It’s going to be at least 500 plus," said a member who spoke anonymously and exclusively to WCNC Charlotte's Billie Jean Shaw Thursday.

According to the Mecklenburg County Health Department, at least 208 COVID-19 cases and nine deaths were traced back to the event.

WCNC Charlotte obtained letters the bishop sent to members encouraging them to attend the mass gatherings despite peaking COVID cases across the country. WCNC Charlotte also obtained audio of Bishop Bailey telling a congregation he healed them from COVID-19.”

Here we go again....like 208 cases and 9 deaths weren’t enough from the last event.
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This is so crazy. Wow.
 
This is a case of never letting a good deed go unpunished. I sure hope someone steps in and stops this.

In the early days on the pandemic things like masks and hand sanitizer were hard, if not impossible to find. Thought to be essential in keeping our communities safe, amateur seamstresses across the country worked to hand-make masks for health care workers and those around them that needed them and craft distillers did what they could do to help: they made hand sanitizer.

It was a feel-good story this summer, but now the FDA is hitting those distillers with a $14,000 fee making that hand sanitizer, more than many of those distillers, many of which who donated all that they made, made off the sanitizers creation in the first place.
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The FDA Is Slapping Craft Distillers With A $14,000 Fee For Making Hand Sanitizer
 
shadowdancer said:
I have been taking vitamin D3 since April so hopefully my levels of that are good. I will look online to buy the other supplements you mentioned as I want to take anything that may help.
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Hi Shadowdancer, so sorry to hear about your test result. I am sure I had it in March and I was scared too. Do you have a pulse oximeter? If not, worth investing 20 quid or so and you can get them on Prime next day. That will give you peace of mind, to keep an eye on your oxygen levels. If that drops below 95%, you would phone 111. My legs and back ached quite badly, so make sure you have paracetamol to hand - mine came from Amazon again. You may lose your appetite but just drink plenty of fluids and have little snacks.

I'm in Buckinghamshire and I'm guessing you are most likely in a tier 4 area yourself too, as most of us are now here.

You are v welcome to message me.

Look after yourself

HKP
 
MajorHoople said:
PICTURED: Milwaukee pharmacist who 'deliberately spoiled 57 vials of Moderna vaccine | Daily Mail Online

"Police have arrested a Wisconsin pharmacist accused of deliberately spoiling 57 vials of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine by taking them out of a fridge and leaving them out overnight before 57 people were given the 'ineffective' dose.

The male healthcare worker has not officially been named. A roster of inmates at Ozaukee County Jail show that [redacted], 46, was booked on Thursday on the same charges."
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I'm trying to figure out what sort of motive drove this person to intentionally spoil the vaccines? This is the second incident we've read about in just a couple of day's time. What is the reasoning behind this? Do they think the vaccine is harmful? If so, spoiling it probably wouldn't make it less harmful, would it? Or, worse, are they intentionally trying to harm people by letting them think they've been vaccinated so they go out and get infected with the virus?

What could be the reason? This is just downright odd. And, scary.
 
GRT said:
I'm trying to figure out what sort of motive drove this person to intentionally spoil the vaccines? This is the second incident we've read about in just a couple of day's time. What is the reasoning behind this? Do they think the vaccine is harmful? If so, spoiling it probably wouldn't make it less harmful, would it? Or, worse, are they intentionally trying to harm people by letting them think they've been vaccinated so they go out and get infected with the virus?

What could be the reason? This is just downright odd. And, scary.
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I agree. I see no rhyme or reason for his actions.
 
acutename said:
which test was it? is it possible that you have actually had it for awhile and are asymptomatic?
will they follow up with contact tracing for you? seems that they should, however it seems a bit creepy to send out a result on New Year's, but maybe it is all automated? The new COVID medicine- via e-mail, no bedside manner required.
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I have colleagues who received their result on Christmas Day too and they were then contacted by track and trace straight away. Those guys really are working 24/7.

I think we are v lucky here to have our health service but the downside is that the service is a one size fits all scenario. So it is necessarily v procedure driven and somewhat impersonal. Likewise you wouldnt have the option for early treatment or intervention, unless you contacted your GP and they recommended it due to extenuating health reasons I suppose.

Not complaining at all, it's just how it has to be for everyone to have access equally.
 
HHS: Distilleries won't pay $14K in fees for making hand sanitizers
Later Thursday, however, the Department of Health and Human Services appeared to have struck down the FDA fees. “Small businesses who stepped up to fight COVID-19 should be applauded by their government, not taxed for doing so," HHS chief of staff Brian Harrison said in a statement posted on Twitter.

“I’m pleased to announce we have directed FDA to cease enforcement of these arbitrary, surprise user fees," he said. "Happy New Year, distilleries, and cheers to you for helping keep us safe!”




GRT said:
This is a case of never letting a good deed go unpunished. I sure hope someone steps in and stops this.


The FDA Is Slapping Craft Distillers With A $14,000 Fee For Making Hand Sanitizer
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weepingangel said:
HHS: Distilleries won't pay $14K in fees for making hand sanitizers
Later Thursday, however, the Department of Health and Human Services appeared to have struck down the FDA fees. “Small businesses who stepped up to fight COVID-19 should be applauded by their government, not taxed for doing so," HHS chief of staff Brian Harrison said in a statement posted on Twitter.

“I’m pleased to announce we have directed FDA to cease enforcement of these arbitrary, surprise user fees," he said. "Happy New Year, distilleries, and cheers to you for helping keep us safe!”
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That's the best news! I'm so glad they reversed it!
 
Anthony Fauci, called on the federal government on Thursday to deploy more resources to vaccinate Americans after the country missed its goal to get 20 million people inoculated by the end of the year.

More than 14m vaccine doses had been distributed in the US, but only 2.1 million people have been vaccinated

Overworked, underfunded state public health departments are scrambling to patch together plans for administering vaccines. Counties and hospitals have taken different approaches, leading to long lines, confusion, frustration and jammed phone lines.

Jha said ..... the Department of Health and Human Services, has set states up to fail.
“There’s a lot states still need to do,” he said. “But you need a much more active role from the federal government than what they have been willing to do. They’ve largely said to states, ‘This is your responsibility. Figure it out.”"

James McCarthy, the chief physician executive at Memorial Hermann in Houston, said the hospital system there had administered about half of the roughly 30,000 doses that it has received since 15 December.
The system had to create a complicated plan from scratch.
“We can’t just hand it out like candy,” McCarthy said.

Fauci calls for extra resources as US misses Covid vaccination target
 
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