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I received a video tour of the local food markets during Beijing Olympics. Thankfully they had temporarily taken dog off the menu as a courtesy to the tourists.

I think we can all agree the animal discussions are horrific. But education is key and I’m glad people are learning more about this, with hopes that these things can also be eradicated, as Greg mentioned a couple times.

Zoology, wet markets, etc. seem to be the origin. I wish these lessons were learned during SARS but they weren’t obviously.
 
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I’m glad more people in general will be washing their hands now as a result of all this. It’s sad, though, that it had to take the Coronavirus to step it up for some, moo.

ETA: I’ve been “fistbumping” for some time now in case anyone’s wondering, even before the CV, lol.
 
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I’m glad more people in general will be washing their hands now as a result of all this. It’s sad, though, that it had to take the CV to step it up for some, moo.

ETA: I’ve been “fistbumping” for some time now in case anyone’s wondering, even before the CV, lol.

Thats been the biggest plus for me as I have been conciously washing my hands more often to prevent any bugs like regular flu or colds.

And people were right about us touching our face with our hands. My goodness. I tried to slow that down but keep catching myself doing it.
 
China hit by second disease outbreak as thousands of chickens wiped out

At least 4,500 chickens have been killed during an outbreak of bird flu, or H5N1 avian influenza, at a farm in Shaoyang as China's struggles with the coronavirus crisis

China hit by second disease outbreak as thousands of chickens wiped out

Greg, I’m telling you I’m going to have to give you the award for the most “it just gets worse and worse” posts, my friend.

Gee whiz.

Is this contained?

:lookingitup:

From the article above:

“The farm where the outbreak occurred had 7,850 chickens, said officials, who have sealed off and sterilised the affected area.”

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Deadly bird flu outbreak among chickens in China, near coronavirus epicentre

  • Bird flu outbreak in Hunan province, which lies on the southern border of Hubei province, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak
  • Bird flu is much deadlier than either Sars or the coronavirus, but as of yet no human cases have been reported in this outbreak
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China reports H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Hunan province

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A 'highly pathogenic strain' of H5N1 bird flu has been reported in China's Hunan province

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Via WHO/Europe on Jan 27:
Increase in ‘bird flu’ outbreaks – WHO/Europe advice for handling dead or sick birds

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Back to Massachusetts:

Massachusetts man has coronavirus, state health officials say; US cases rise to 8

“Officials said the man sought medical treatment soon after he returned to the U.S., although it was not immediately clear when this was. The patient has been isolated since and anyone who came in contact with him is also being monitored for symptoms.

“We are grateful that this young man is recovering and sought medical attention immediately,’’ Massachusetts Public Health Commissioner Monica Bharel said in a news release. "Massachusetts has been preparing for a possible case of this new coronavirus, and we were fortunate that astute clinicians took appropriate action quickly. Again, the risk to the public from the 2019 novel coronavirus remains low in Massachusetts.””

[...]

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said in a news release Friday that a California man was diagnosed with the illness after returning from Wuhan.”

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Man in Boston tests positive for coronavirus; 8th confirmed case in the U.S.

BBM:
“The man is in his 20s and lives in Boston, the state's Department of Health said in a press release on Saturday. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified health officials about the case late Friday evening, the release stated, adding that the risk to the public is low.”

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True China coronavirus cases number could be 10 times official figure: Study

“Hong Kong-based outside researchers estimated in an analysis released Friday, however, that the actual number of people infected in Wuhan could actually be about 75,815.

“Given that 2019-nCoV is no longer contained within Wuhan, other major Chinese cities are probably sustaining localised outbreaks,” researchers reported in the Lancet, a major medical journal. “Large cities overseas with close transport links to China could also become outbreak epicentres.”

The researchers arrived at the figure by analyzing the numbers of inbound and outbound flights at Wuhan’s international airport, taking into consideration the period of time in which the outbreak has been at its height. They looked at the number of cases that had shown up in cities outside of mainland China as a baseline and then measured how many people had flown into Wuhan before symptom onset, taking into consideration how quickly the virus is believed to spread.“

@dixiegirl1035 , is this what you were referencing earlier?

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Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of the 2019-nCoV outbreak originating in Wuhan, China: a modelling study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30260-9/fulltext
Jan. 31, 2020

“Findings
In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). We estimated that in the baseline scenario, Chongqing, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen had imported 461 (95% CrI 227–805), 113 (57–193), 98 (49–168), 111 (56–191), and 80 (40–139) infections from Wuhan, respectively. If the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV were similar everywhere domestically and over time, we inferred that epidemics are already growing exponentially in multiple major cities of China with a lag time behind the Wuhan outbreak of about 1–2 weeks.
Interpretation
Given that 2019-nCoV is no longer contained within Wuhan, other major Chinese cities are probably sustaining localised outbreaks. Large cities overseas with close transport links to China could also become outbreak epicentres, unless substantial public health interventions at both the population and personal levels are implemented immediately. Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable because of substantial exportation of presymptomatic cases and in the absence of large-scale public health interventions. Preparedness plans and mitigation interventions should be readied for quick deployment globally.”
 
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Coronavirus arrival into Mexico is imminent – Sub-secretary of Health
January 29, 2020

“CDMX“The coronavirus will arrival into Mexico is imminent but we will be ready”, assures the sub-secretary of Health of the government of López Obrador. Hugo Lopez-Gatell, said that the coronavirus epidemic is expanding, so it will inevitably “arrive in Mexico”.”
 
Another thing that must be so difficult, is not only do people in China have to worry about contracting the virus themselves, and everything that goes along with it, lockdown, supplies, no work, etc., but some also have to worry about their loved ones who may be ill/hospitalized.

I saw a video of a British man—he was talking about how his biggest fear was that if got sick, “having to be hospitalized in China where he would just be a number”.

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There are also concerns coming from “blended families”, those who have a spouse or child who is Chinese. Thankfully some have finally been cleared for evacuation. There are people who have to make the decision whether to stay with their families, or flee if they can.

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One man was talking about his newborn baby, that his biggest fear is what if his baby becomes ill.
 
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“Prime Minister Justin Trudeau urged Canadians to stay united and warned against the rise of discrimination as fears of the coronavirus spread.


"There is no place in our country for discrimination driven by fear or misinformation," Trudeau said at a Lunar New Year celebration at a banquet hall in Scarborough, a suburb of Toronto. "This is not something Canadians will ever stand for."”
 
I find the medical advice about wearing masks “off”. The advice is that the traditional surgical masks needn’t be worn, and that they are ineffective in preventing getting the virus. And that they should only be worn if you yourself are sick so that you prevent coughing and sneezing on others.

Doctor’s office waiting rooms (at least where I live) have always asked anyone who is coughing or sneezing to put on one of the disposable masks at the counter.

So here is the problem as I see it: this Coronavirus is confirmed to spread from people who are asymptomatic. So if doctors are asking coughers and sneezers to wear masks, why shouldn’t they be recommending EVERYONE wear a mask right now? To avoid respiratory transmissions because you may in fact have it and spread it? This, to me, is a huge part of how a country nips a massive outbreak in the bud.

So I’m quite annoyed by all of this mask medical advice. It is not logical IMO.


MOO

I agree!

I live in a large city with a big Asian population. I've seen masks on local Asians as well as on Asian tourists for a long time. It's not new to see that here, though I am paying closer attention to them now. I haven't seen any of the sturdier N95 (or whatever they are called. I am seeing either paper or what looks like thin fabric.

It is my understanding that they wear the masks as a courtesy to others when THEY are sick. They are covering their noses and mouths to avoid SPREADING illness, not really to prevent catching it. It's like how we consider it polite to sneeze into a tissue. I've heard the air is so dirty in China that everyone wears masks outside for that reason too. I'm sure some people wear them to prevent catching anything, but I'm not convinced that is effective, at least with the flimsier kind of mask.

It's different for medical workers as they are literally in the face of their sick patients and the masks do serve a vital prevention purpose. Imagine dentists - you want to make sure people in close contact like that are covered!

But for the public, the masks generally are to contain our own coughs and sneezes, not really to prevent catching germs.

That's my understanding, at any rate. To me, as a general person, the thought of wearing something on my face that will get hot and damp from my own breath seems less healthy than simply avoiding contact and keeping my hands off my face.

But....as has become our motto on this page, perhaps....to each their own.

jmo
 
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