Could a NG verdict forever change our system of justice?

[Marple]

She wouldn't be the first one to get away with murder so no I don't think an acquittal would change the justice system. I also don't think she'll be acquitted.

 

[Melanie]

If they want to say she killed the child with chloroform, they better have her on tape buying the components. Even her parents noticed the pool ladder was amiss... Casey handled this badly, shes probably mentally ill, but the State needs to prove with out a DOUBT that this was murder, and I really think the jury will see she covered up an accidental death. Maybe a disposal of a corpse charge, which she would have time served.jmo

Well the way the SA is NOT asking questions, I'm getting a little concerned. How hard would it have been to show ICA is a liar by TL telling the jury that ICA told him 2 guys pushed the car into the amscot parking lot.

And although the 6 cameras were not working, Furhman said:

There are six cameras on the parking lot, but they didn't record Casey Anthony dropping her car off, verifying anybody pushed her into the parking lot, verifying who picked her up, verifying who is in the car with her, what she did, did she go into the trunk, didn't she go into the trunk.

Anyway, we do know through two sources that Anthony Lazzaro, her boyfriend, picked up here. Anthony Lazzaro picks her up. The cars ran out of gas.

I want you to pan down there--right there. That is a Chevron gas station, Chevron gas station. Next to that, close to us, is a Sam's club which several pumps right there. We are surrounded by businesses.

So did TL change his story? Was the car out of gas, or was it broken down. She told him 2 dudes helped her push it into the parking lot?

Casey Anthony claims that she ran out of gas, and two people assisted her and pushed the vehicle in here. You look at this building, Amscot check cashing

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485604,00.html

They could have talked about that as easily as the JC Penney video -- which I really didn't get anyway. Did you see the credit card she was using? Did you happen to see if it had her name on it?

You know -- little things like that!!

MOO

Mel

 

[KMouse]

I think that if Casey is found not guilty it will cause a flood of other defendants to try the "Baez defense". Baez doesn't have to prove George is a pedophile he just has to get one juror to buy that it happened and hang the jury.

 

[GutFeeling!]

I am not a fan of American Justice at all. Too much trickery is allowed, continually.

 

[Nova]

Mods please remove this thread if you feel it is not appropriate.

Watching what I could of the opening statement by JB, was like watching the OJ trial on steroids IMO. So my question is this...

Could a NG (Not Guilty) verdict forever change our system of justice? Could we as a Nation be forever change by the, "say anything, blame anyone, make up any outrageous lie and someone will buy it," defense?

This statement is attributed to Adolph Hitler:
If you make a lie big enough, and tell it often enough, people will believe it.

Is this what we have come to as a Nation? Have endless episodes of CSI left us unable to tell truth from fiction? What say you?

P.S. Thanks in advance for your input on this issue.

It is often said of our system that it doesn't always work, but nobody has thought of a better way to do it. This isn't the first case where the defense made outrageous accusations and promises in its opening statement. Usually the tactic fails, but if succeeds once in awhile, the system doesn't collapse.

 

[Nova]

What's the likilhood the state would retry the case if it ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury? Doesn't the prosecution usually have an advantage in re-trials since they now are aware of the defense strategy?

MOO, but I think the political pressure to retry the case would overwhelm the financial disincentives.

I too have heard prosecutors say they presented a better case in a retrial because they knew what to leave out. But I haven't seen any stats on conviction rates in retrials.

 

[Whome?]

I've followed this since day 1, and believe she's guilty beyond reasonable doubt. But to a juror who hasn't had the time perspective, experienced all the lies from ICA and family, the absolute unbelievability of ICA--she may appear as a "victim" herself. She's a psychopath, with lawyers who will manufacture anything to get her off. Who knows what the jury will decide.

I also believe that people with money have a huge advantage in the justice system.

I agree with you,we all must remember, the fact is we know "ALL", as a result of the "sunshine laws' we know all of the information,but this jury is suppose to decide based on the facts presented in the court room,that fact makes me nervous,because, all of the facts ,as we ,know them to be, are not being presented and the D/T is putting out major lies about this case. It is making me a nervous wreck,because a psycho/killer could get off on this case.:maddening:

 

[passionflower]

IMO, there will be more evidence that state kept close to their vests.
Our justice system will survive.
ICA is NOT unique, she is like all other socioaths.
She just got more attention because of such a dysfunctional
family and her bizarre story.
IMO, jurors are smart..............

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think regardless of guilty or NG, this case has highlighted SERIOUS flaws in the legal system and the way attorneys conduct themselves. It is time to update the standards and ethics of attorneys. The OJ trial was bad enough, but he had a team of true legal professionals, some would even say genius (F. Lee Bailey, etc.). This is a cheap, sad imitation of that situation. It is obvious why attorneys are flocking to this case from out of state even, to work for "free".

We are told the legal profession is supposed to be a grand institution and all of that, but then we see people selling their souls for some fame and publicity. The mere fame-seeking conditions of ICA's representation are bad enough...but throw in the 48 Hours Mystery, and Greta, Geraldo, etc... and it is apparent that changes MUST be made. I can't see how it benefits the client to have people like Andrea Lyon doing a quick in and out, a book tour on tv, then folding up and going back to Illinois, or Todd Macaluso, et al going on tv and making outrageous claims, then leaving. Please tell me the Bar Association is going to clean house and add some rules for attorneys to follow.

The legal system is publicly funded and not there to be a slot machine for hot shot attorneys to use in order to cash in on. Where is the dignity? We've come a long way from Atticus Finch and isn't appropriate for JB to not see the irony in him invoking that name during one of his media-bashing rambles/what-are-we-supposed-to-conclude-from-this arguments.

 

[kgeaux]

Mods please remove this thread if you feel it is not appropriate.

Watching what I could of the opening statement by JB, was like watching the OJ trial on steroids IMO. So my question is this...

Could a NG (Not Guilty) verdict forever change our system of justice? Could we as a Nation be forever change by the, "say anything, blame anyone, make up any outrageous lie and someone will buy it," defense?

This statement is attributed to Adolph Hitler:
If you make a lie big enough, and tell it often enough, people will believe it.

Is this what we have come to as a Nation? Have endless episodes of CSI left us unable to tell truth from fiction? What say you?

P.S. Thanks in advance for your input on this issue.

I always thought Joseph Gobbels ( I know I've spelled his name wrong, my apologies) was the author of your quote......not Hitler, although he was horrible as Hitler, IMO.

I know my opinion may be in the minority. But it is my opinion! I do not believe a NG verdict would forever change our system of justice. If a wrong judgement is rendered in this case, it will not be the first time. Guilty people have been found not guilty before. And innocent people have been found guilty.......

Any judgement in any case is the result of how good of a jury is chosen, how effective the prosecutor and defense attorneys are, what evidence is allowed to be presented, and how the jury understands the evidence; I do not believe that has much to do with the truth. Alas......I believe our justice system has been broken way before this case.

 

[wenwe4]

It is a court of Law . . . not a court of Justice! Always remember that court can be a crap shoot . . . random things that happen during the trial can completely effect the whole outcome (ie: OJ trial . . . trying on the gloves). I am not trying to be a doomsdayer . . .(I will leave that to the Radio people of 5/21/11) just realistic. The answer that always keeps coming back is that it is not a perfect system . . . just the best one we have.

 

[Macushla]

Our justice system would survive if KC is acquitted. What the defense team and KC are doing, however, is a disgrace and a monumental disservice to every woman and man who WAS molested or abused growing up and managed to survive it and went on to become mothers and fathers. These brave people struggled and are still struggling with what happened to them and yet have not gone out and killed their children. I am sickened by how low the defense and their 'client' have sunk.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Why would someone think that a Not Guilty verdict in this case would change anything in the American legal system?

How did our legal system change after OJ Simpson's murder trial?

 

[gngr~snap]

When we fail do we not learn a lesson? Even if she gets off, She has one more judgement and I'm ok with that.
The fact that she will get rich off all the deals if aquitted, is ok too... cause Karma well y'all know!

 

[nitasch]

While your Hitler quote definitely has relevence in our modern day in ths county, I still feel that for the most part criminal justice does prevail.

Not always mind you, there are still those that get off easy, or are never caught. Recently there was a repeat child molester in Utah that was released from custody because he was deemed unfit to stand trial, but then the doctors claimed he was not a threat to himself or the public, so he was released to his own life without any justice served.

Those cases are troubling, and yes, there are plenty of lies told big enough and often enough they are believed by the masses, but there is still hope in this case.

I am not willing to give up on society if ICA is found not guilty....not yet.

 

[RavenTrue]

The most HOKEY (obviously fake) defense EVER. After credible Dad takes the stand, and denies. After almost 3 yrs...*this* is the best JB has? An impressive effort for the prosecution. :smile:

 

[RavenTrue]

I hope that Lee has had ENOUGH, and that someone in that family finally tells the truth.
When he does I hope it's explosive in whatever way it truly was.
Sexual abuse? Not under Cindy's watch, let's get real here.

If Dad is beaten down, let's give a cheer to Lee to TELL THE TRUTH!!!!!

 

[Just Jayla]

Mods please remove this thread if you feel it is not appropriate.

Watching what I could of the opening statement by JB, was like watching the OJ trial on steroids IMO. So my question is this...

Could a NG (Not Guilty) verdict forever change our system of justice? Could we as a Nation be forever change by the, "say anything, blame anyone, make up any outrageous lie and someone will buy it," defense?

This statement is attributed to Adolph Hitler:
If you make a lie big enough, and tell it often enough, people will believe it.

Is this what we have come to as a Nation? Have endless episodes of CSI left us unable to tell truth from fiction? What say you?

P.S. Thanks in advance for your input on this issue.

I believe the problem runs much, much deeper than our system of justice. In fact, I believe we look too much to our system of governance as guidance for what is right and what is wrong. Judgement and punishment belong to the people first, not to the court and then to the people. It's not only lazy but dangerous to not educate ourselves and to not take part in the society around us. As if CSI:Miami has done all the work, we just have to lay back on the sofa and watch?
When we embrace our individuality and our accountability and expect the same from others, justice will be served. And maybe these jurors are accountable people-but too often I see that no one wants to reach outside of their own life to judge the actions of another. Not cause they care about being pious, cause people are pious/pompous in many other areas (biggest house, fanciest car), but just lazy and scared that their own problems will be pointed out in retaliation-As if two wrongs make a right. That is part the disease I think you are pointing out.

 

[zoey]

Our justice system would survive if KC is acquitted. What the defense team and KC are doing, however, is a disgrace and a monumental disservice to every woman and man who WAS molested or abused growing up and managed to survive it and went on to become mothers and fathers. These brave people struggled and are still struggling with what happened to them and yet have not gone out and killed their children. I am sickened by how low the defense and their 'client' have sunk.

ITA...This has really changed my mind about our legal system...I get it--but strongly disagre with it. The performance that jb gave for his opening statement without facts to actually back it up was disgusting...Being able to throw anyone under the bus and have their reputations ruined just so you can "win"--disgusts me. It is scary how they can manipulate the true facts of the case and make so many wild claims---and they don't even have to prove it--but leave everything out there...

They don't really care what their statements may or may not do to actual victims of sexual assult...already they have it rough--now....They need the proof for that statement---that is a way to serious charge to just put out there to "win" a case.

I'm also upset over how casually they mention that Caylee wasn't missing now.....We've all known it--BUT why get upset over LE doing an investigation and given their information choose to act on it....I certainly hope that someone could somehow collect the funds put forth on the investigation that should never have happened IF what Baez stated was true---just an accident--WHY NOT SAY SO DAY 32??? AT LEAST BY DAY 35. It also doens't fly with me about the pary girl...I haven't lost a child, Thank God--but losing the family members I have --- there is no way I could go out a party right afterwards...

I could go on further and perhaps later I will, but at this time I truly am disgusted with this...they have made a court of Law (which according to jb is "sacred") a theater.....A place where one side actually seeks the truth and the other......LIES but attacks anyone else if perhaps they lie...They have made the littlest actual VICTIM CAYLEE --- nothing more than a whim...And I'm sorry I wish somehow someone could point out that any money her mother may have spent on her came from CA.....or whoever she stole from---

Oh yeah....the defendent is not a "child"----CAYLEE WAS THE CHILD and the defendent took that childhood away.....

 

[LaLaw2000]

I would still believe in our system of justice if a NG verdict is returned, but justice for Caylee Marie Anthony will not have been done.

JMO