Couple who adopted 12 children shot to death #3

[RiverPirate]

Oh that could be it, too! When did you register?

I've been registered for a few years.

 

[WeatherOrNot]

pnj.com is back up

 

[mfcmom]

Am I missing something or ref: post by midewest mom on page 26 of this thread the Plaintiff was Tabitha BILLINGS. I just wonder if I am reading this correctly, if TG was TB or she lost her kids to foster care, could Bud and Melanie have had them as foster kids, temporarily. Is there some relation there? cousin or whatever. I don't know how to access these court records. Could this have caused LG to vendetta? IMO and just guessing but help me get to this Midwest Mom? Then you have caseworker who is fired around the same time for fraudulent documentation who subsequently has a maritime lien filed bu BB for 50 million dollars and the sovereignty issue w/BB/MB and the kids. This has GOT to have something to do w/the kids I feel it in my bones. And of course is my opinion only.

 

[LaceSprocket]

Oooops... My apologies. I jumped the gun on PNJ. :doh: I just went into a newbie sleuthing panic mode :crazy: :redface:

Patience is a virtue. Lesson learned. :redface: :innocent: :silenced:

 

[JustPokingAround]

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090719...ef--rumors--family&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Wow, really touches your heart. She has a long road ahead of her at such a young age.

 

[daisy7]

New story on PNJ: http://www.pnj.com/article/20090719...ef--rumors--family&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

includes some interesting background, to those who have NOT been keeping up with what we were sleuthing, including


"DCF attorney Katie George said every time the agency addressed a letter to Billings that included his children's names, he would reply with an invoice demanding millions of dollars in copyright infringement."

They took this part out of the online article- it's not there anymore?

 

[RubberNecker]

They took this part out of the online article- it's not there anymore?

they also took out the part with her acknowledging she "heard" something about the copywrite stuff.

 

[pinkinablueworld]

Am I missing something or ref: post by midewest mom on page 26 of this thread the Plaintiff was Tabitha BILLINGS. I just wonder if I am reading this correctly, if TG was TB or she lost her kids to foster care, could Bud and Melanie have had them as foster kids, temporarily. Is there some relation there? cousin or whatever. I don't know how to access these court records. Could this have caused LG to vendetta? IMO and just guessing but help me get to this Midwest Mom? Then you have caseworker who is fired around the same time for fraudulent documentation who subsequently has a maritime lien filed bu BB for 50 million dollars and the sovereignty issue w/BB/MB and the kids. This has GOT to have something to do w/the kids I feel it in my bones. And of course is my opinion only.

According to :
http://opinions.1dca.org/opinions2004/09-09-04/03-5439.pdf
the children were placed in long term relative care. The Billings were not caring for foster children. The Billings adopted special needs children.

 

[mfcmom]

I understand that but the kids are placed temporarily as foster while awaiting adoption while the b/parents go thru legal process. Unless the case was overturned as in this one and sent back to b/parent. Also when reviewing the post on pg 26 the poster had the court file as Tabitha BILLINGs, could it have been misread or could she have been a distant relative. That would make BB/MB relatives. My goal here is to find out who "tabitha billings" is if there is such a person. Please review that first post on page 26 of this thread, maybe I am reading this wrong. Appreciate help.

 

[hyldo]

They took this part out of the online article- it's not there anymore?

Go here, the story is about three times longer:

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090719/NEWS01/907190335&template=printart

EDIT: For some reason the next arrow at the bottom wasn't appearing for me in Firefox. It worked fine in IE though.

 

[AJM]

Oops ~ I was too slow!

 

[pinkinablueworld]

I think I heard about this document, but I never saw it until now:

http://opinions.1dca.org/opinions2004/09-09-04/03-5439.pdf

T.F. n.k.a (now known as?) T.G. appealed a decision to remove her children from her custody. Her appeal was granted and the children were returned. As you will read, the reason the children were removed was due to the new husband, (most likely LPG Jr) and...what the court "knew" about him.

I would imagine that since she once lost her children due to him, she feared that she would lose them again and decided to get while the getting was good. Perhaps she had a role in this fiasco, but in any case, this may be the last weekend she can spend with her children.

As you can see her lawyer was the famous B.W.M, who I believe is also the lawyer for PWL, is that correct?

BWM has also represented BB and close associates on many cases. Links have been provided in earlier posts. I will link a few below.
I agree we need to have more organization on this board so we can go directly to Clerk of the Court links previously provided.

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=40254094

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=27546260

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=15293769

I have not seen anything that supports that BWM is/was PLW attorney. We are assuming the above documents from Child Services are the initials of Tabitha F NKA Tabitha G....especially with all the details, ie 4 children, questionable current husband...

 

[RubberNecker]

It's all still there in the article ablout Ashley:

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thanks, I missed it due to super scrolly fingers . been up since 4a and read the original version around 5a.... I need a nap.

I can't explain why this case has me in insomnia mode

 

[daisy7]

According to :
http://opinions.1dca.org/opinions2004/09-09-04/03-5439.pdf
the children were placed in long term relative care. The Billings were not caring for foster children. The Billings adopted special needs children.

I agree.

From the link:

Rather than basing its determinations upon this evidence, it appears that the trial court’s decision to place the children in long-term relative care was based upon unsworn assertions, hearsay, and the court’s personal knowledge concerning the mother’s new husband.

BBM. This refers to the judge's knowledge, right? Judge Goodman is extremely well-respected, awesome and a true advocate for children; I've known her professionally for several years. She does family court, including divorces. Wonder if she was the judge for Jr's divorce?

BTW - we still don't know if this case really is for Tabatha, or do we? IIRC, the doc. was originally found by sleuthing the attorney that was (IIRC) mistakenly identified as being in the picture when Wiggins was arrested.

ETA: Judge Goodman was NOT the judge for the divorce - they got divorced in Escambia.

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=35982120

 

[LaceSprocket]

I understand that but the kids are placed temporarily as foster while awaiting adoption while the b/parents go thru legal process. Unless the case was overturned as in this one and sent back to b/parent. Also when reviewing the post on pg 26 the poster had the court file as Tabitha BILLINGs, could it have been misread or could she have been a distant relative. That would make BB/MB relatives. My goal here is to find out who "tabitha billings" is if there is such a person. Please review that first post on page 26 of this thread, maybe I am reading this wrong. Appreciate help.

I'm not sure if you're making a connection with the Tabithas.

There's Tabitha Billings spelled with an "i."

Tabatha Gonzalez spelled with an "a." LPatrick Jr.'s wife.

Just making that the observation. Ignore me if it's not relevant.

 

[daisy7]

Go here, the story is about three times longer:

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090719/NEWS01/907190335&template=printart

EDIT: For some reason the next arrow at the bottom wasn't appearing for me in Firefox. It worked fine in IE though.

Thanks - I use Firefox, too, so guess that's why I wasn't seeing it.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I am begining to think that the Billings are not as innocent as they are being portrayed on this matter. Keep in mind that over many cases we are able to point back to the victim, and they are not as innocent as the claim to be. I am certainly NOT saying that they deserved to be shot, because noone does. However what I am saying is there are times that victims have tried to hide something they may have done, to cause themselves to be victimized.

 

[VespaElf]

Referring to the cammo ninja video ranting ; I think that is PP/LPGjr's exotic dancer wife...if so, she's as nutty as him.

Its Not his wife nor does the person in the vid have ANY connection to this case-thats been 100% established.
Its not been 100% LPG's wife TG was/is a dancer btw...........

 

[curiousmind]

Any locals have any insight on the comment below left on this article....http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090719/NEWS01/907190335

jespiker wrote:

I feel sorry for Ashley and her loss. However, I also know a Ashley that lost her brother in a home invasion murder that occurred about a month ago on the west side of town. So many people were devastated by this loss but I don't see the hype on that murder as this one. What about our pain and loss? The Michael Jackson media was much more appropriate, this one, not so much.
7/19/2009 2:30:56 AM

Bolded by me.


Just seems odd that there were two home invasions in one town within a month. Any info on this?

 

[pattieandco]

Any locals have any insight on the comment below left on this article....http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090719/NEWS01/907190335

jespiker wrote:

I feel sorry for Ashley and her loss. However, I also know a Ashley that lost her brother in a home invasion murder that occurred about a month ago on the west side of town. So many people were devastated by this loss but I don't see the hype on that murder as this one. What about our pain and loss? The Michael Jackson media was much more appropriate, this one, not so much.
7/19/2009 2:30:56 AM

Bolded by me.


Just seems odd that there were two home invasions in one town within a month. Any info on this?

and the fact that it was Ashey's brother. I would have thought that would have been mentioned by now. It would have had to be a paternal brother becuase we know who all of Melanies children were