Court Appearances and Canadian Legal Terms

[Alethea Dice]

I hope that when trial time finally arrives in 2016 that it is televised. Is that too much to ask ? Is there anything in Canada like Court TV in the USA ? As I recall, the Bernardo/Homolka trials were not televised, but the news coverage everyday in the newspapers, and on the evening news was extensive. The internet will no doubt play a big part in the coverage as well.

It's highly unlikely, which is unfortunate. We will only have live tweets from the courtroom and the daily news updates telling us the pieces that the media thinks we should know.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/national-post-view-if-the-duffy-trial-can-be-live-tweeted-why-cant-it-also-be-broadcast

JMO

 

[Variant]

That doesn't mean he is a "media specialist" lawyer. That means he was hired to deal with the media's argument against the in camera hearings. Perhaps because DP couldn't.

JMO

Depends on how one chooses to interpret SnooperDuper and Clairmont. It appears to me that he is specializing on the media in this particular case.

 

[swedie]

Has MS's charges been reduced? If not, he has no hope of a lesser sentence. First degree is life, no negotiating.

I agree that those letters were carefully crafted - in MSM, that is. Written with multiple letters to appear as one to misconstrue their meaning or intent. Is he that naive? Don't know. Those are the journalist's words/opinions. There's nothing in the shared letters that says that. The first letter that was leaked on the internet was from a stranger who wrote to him. That person leaked the letter, not prison officials. And that is no doubt the letter that convinced him to send them through his lawyer, since the others hadn't been leaked yet.

JMO

BBM - We don't know what will transpire or change at this time do we? Maybe his charges will be reduced, let's just wait and see shall we? Interestingly enough there doesn't seem to be as many strong indicators connecting MS to TB's murder then there is with DM. Is MS sitting in jail and facing trial and murder charges only because he was seen by the business owner and SB with DM? Maybe MS did hop into the Yukon at the end of Bosma's driveway and that was the last time he saw DM that night? Maybe LE have a witness who saw DM, MS and LB together the last time she was seen alive but maybe MS wasn't actually present when LB was murdered? Lot of maybes but nothing definitive to hang our hats on yet.

UBM - I for one don't see any misconstrued information from the author. Could you please show me an example? Also, if you have the information handy, what was the date of that first leaked letter and the date it appeared in the MSM? TIA.

Well he was obviously naive enough to trust anyone who he wrote to thinking his letters would be kept confidential. And if he is still writing people, passing them off to his lawyer for special delivery, I suggest he is naive to think those letters will remain confidential. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Depends on how one chooses to interpret SnooperDuper and Clairmont. It appears to me that he is specializing on the media in this particular case.

Yes. SnooperDuper said "DM has hired a media specialist lawyer", a "special occasion lawyer", which I interpret differently than what S.Clairmont said and what has happened. He is not "specializing" on the media, he is dealing "specifically" with these issues.

specialize
verb spe·cial·ize \ˈspe-shə-ˌlīz\
: to limit your business or area of study to one specific subject

specific
adjective spe·cif·ic \spi-ˈsi-fik\
: relating to a particular person, situation, etc.

JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Yes. SnooperDuper said "DM has hired a media specialist lawyer", a "special occasion lawyer", which I interpret differently than what S.Clairmont said and what has happened. He is not "specializing" on the media, he is dealing "specifically" with these issues.

specialize
verb spe·cial·ize \ˈspe-shə-ˌlīz\
: to limit your business or area of study to one specific subject

specific
adjective spe·cif·ic \spi-ˈsi-fik\
: relating to a particular person, situation, etc.

JMO

Mirza was hired specifically to deal with the media issues in this case.

http://www.insidebrockville.com/new...retrial-open-to-public-after-media-challenge/

Defence counsel Faisal Mirza is acting as Millard's lawyer on a specific matter pertaining to the case, but hasn't been retained as his lawyer for the duration of the trial.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawyers-fight-publics-ban-tim-123830382.html

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://www.insidebrockville.com/new...retrial-open-to-public-after-media-challenge/



https://ca.news.yahoo.com/lawyers-fight-publics-ban-tim-123830382.html

Exactly, specifically to deal with this specific matter. Not a specialist who specializes in media issues.

 

[Alethea Dice]

BBM - We don't know what will transpire or change at this time do we? Maybe his charges will be reduced, let's just wait and see shall we?

Or maybe DM's charges will be reduced, or maybe all the charges will be reduced, or more likely, neither of the charges will be reduced. Yes, we will have to wait and see. JMO

Interestingly enough there doesn't seem to be as many strong indicators connecting MS to TB's murder then there is with DM. Is MS sitting in jail and facing trial and murder charges only because he was seen by the business owner and SB with DM?

I've seen a few indicators and some have been pointed out. MS just seems to be mostly ignored in these threads. I highly doubt MS is sitting in jail based only on the weak descriptions of him from the business owner and SB. JMO

Maybe MS did hop into the Yukon at the end of Bosma's driveway and that was the last time he saw DM that night? Maybe LE have a witness who saw DM, MS and LB together the last time she was seen alive but maybe MS wasn't actually present when LB was murdered?

Or maybe DM hopped into the Yukon at the end of the driveway. Or maybe neither one did. Yes, lots of maybes, one just as possible as another. JMO
I'm not talking about LB's case as we know nothing at all about any evidence they have in that case. No sense speculating on witnesses or whether one or both were present when we have absolutely nothing to go on. Although I will say, I don't think MS would be charged with 1st degree murder in LB's death if LE didn't at least think he was present at the time. JMO

I for one don't see any misconstrued information from the author. Could you please show me an example? Also, if you have the information handy, what was the date of that first leaked letter and the date it appeared in the MSM? TIA.

Here's one sample - post #381.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?272812-Tim-Bosma-Dellen-Millard-amp-Mark-Smich-chgd-w-Murder-Christina-Noudga-Accessory-3&p=11611649#post11611649

There are others. In the NP article with the quoted letters, whenever three dots (...) are shown, a separate letter follows those dots, which can be seen if you compare them to the original blog posts about the letters.

The first letter was in MSM (well, I don't consider it MSM, but many here seem to) on July 24, 2013 and it was undated. It was obtained from a person in one of the Facebook gossip groups after it was posted in that group and others.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/07/authenticating-the-dellen-millard-jailhouse-letter.html

The subsequent letters that this writer "found" were written from June 2013 to March 2014, when the correspondence "abruptly stopped".

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/09/coming-up-new-ebook-on-dellen-millard.html

I can only think that the letters stopped because they started going through DM's lawyer. If the author of the blog didn't claim the letters were written to various sources, I would be sorely tempted to think they were all written to the same person and DP stopped the letters to that person or DM discovered it wasn't wise to continue writing to her. If they were truly written to various friends and family members, I'm left wondering who handed over or sold the personal letters.

Well he was obviously naive enough to trust anyone who he wrote to thinking his letters would be kept confidential. And if he is still writing people, passing them off to his lawyer for special delivery, I suggest he is naive to think those letters will remain confidential. MOO.

The letters stopped coming, so I guess any written after that period of time have remained confidential so far. I think any normal person would trust their family and friends not to sell their personal letters to someone writing a blog about them. And personally, IMO and JMO, I think anyone who believes that all those family members and friends each individually handed over their letters to the same blog writer is more naive than DM.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I can only think that the letters stopped because they started going through DM's lawyer. If the author of the blog didn't claim the letters were written to various sources, I would be sorely tempted to think they were all written to the same person and DP stopped the letters to that person or DM discovered it wasn't wise to continue writing to her. If they were truly written to various friends and family members, I'm left wondering who handed over or sold the personal letters.



The letters stopped coming, so I guess any written after that period of time have remained confidential so far. I think any normal person would trust their family and friends not to sell their personal letters to someone writing a blog about them. And personally, IMO and JMO, I think anyone who believes that all those family members and friends each individually handed over their letters to the same blog writer is more naive than DM.

JMO MOO IMO

<rsbm>

The letters have a "get to know me" feel. Book or movie? Surely DM is not playing dating site games with friends or family.

IMO someone who came to know DM after he was notorious. Flattered him and told him he seemed innocent, and DM opened up to show his "true self" in the way guys do on dating websites.

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

The letters have a "get to know me" feel. Book or movie? Surely DM is not playing dating site games with friends or family.

IMO someone who came to know DM after he was notorious. Flattered him and told him he seemed innocent, and DM opened up to show his "true self" in the way guys do on dating websites.

I agree. Which is why I have a hard time believing they were written to family members and close friends.

 

[swedie]

Or maybe DM's charges will be reduced, or maybe all the charges will be reduced, or more likely, neither of the charges will be reduced. Yes, we will have to wait and see. JMO



I've seen a few indicators and some have been pointed out. MS just seems to be mostly ignored in these threads. I highly doubt MS is sitting in jail based only on the weak descriptions of him from the business owner and SB. JMO



Or maybe DM hopped into the Yukon at the end of the driveway. Or maybe neither one did. Yes, lots of maybes, one just as possible as another. JMO
I'm not talking about LB's case as we know nothing at all about any evidence they have in that case. No sense speculating on witnesses or whether one or both were present when we have absolutely nothing to go on. Although I will say, I don't think MS would be charged with 1st degree murder in LB's death if LE didn't at least think he was present at the time. JMO



Here's one sample - post #381.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?272812-Tim-Bosma-Dellen-Millard-amp-Mark-Smich-chgd-w-Murder-Christina-Noudga-Accessory-3&p=11611649#post11611649

There are others. In the NP article with the quoted letters, whenever three dots (...) are shown, a separate letter follows those dots, which can be seen if you compare them to the original blog posts about the letters.

The first letter was in MSM (well, I don't consider it MSM, but many here seem to) on July 24, 2013 and it was undated. It was obtained from a person in one of the Facebook gossip groups after it was posted in that group and others.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/07/authenticating-the-dellen-millard-jailhouse-letter.html

The subsequent letters that this writer "found" were written from June 2013 to March 2014, when the correspondence "abruptly stopped".

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/09/coming-up-new-ebook-on-dellen-millard.html

I can only think that the letters stopped because they started going through DM's lawyer. If the author of the blog didn't claim the letters were written to various sources, I would be sorely tempted to think they were all written to the same person and DP stopped the letters to that person or DM discovered it wasn't wise to continue writing to her. If they were truly written to various friends and family members, I'm left wondering who handed over or sold the personal letters.



The letters stopped coming, so I guess any written after that period of time have remained confidential so far. I think any normal person would trust their family and friends not to sell their personal letters to someone writing a blog about them. And personally, IMO and JMO, I think anyone who believes that all those family members and friends each individually handed over their letters to the same blog writer is more naive than DM.

JMO MOO IMO

Do you have a link to state the letters were sold? TIA.
A link also which states the letters stopped coming please. TIA again.
Did I state all family and all friends? :facepalm: No I did, therefore that makes me not naive. :happydance:
BTW the "blogger" is also a Journalist and Private Investigator. HTH
:moo:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Do you have a link to state the letters were sold? TIA.
A link also which states the letters stopped coming please. TIA again.
Did I state all family and all friends? :facepalm: No I did, therefore that makes me not naive. :happydance:
BTW the "blogger" is also a Journalist and Private Investigator. HTH
:moo:

If you re-read my post, you will see I originally said "handed over or sold". Sorry if I didn't include both words in my last paragraph. Either way, it's impossible to provide a link to an opinion. Please note all of the JMO's etc. throughout and at the end of the post.

You will also find the link where the blogger states the letters abruptly stopped coming.

You will also see that I didn't say all family and all friends either. I said all "those" family members and friends, which is who the letters were said to have been written to.

Perhaps she is, but the links provided were to her blog.

HTH

 

[cansleuther]

A link also which states the letters stopped coming please.

More recently, I had the chance to read a batch of jailhouse letters, written by Millard to family and friends over a period ranging from June 2013 to March of this year when the correspondence seems to have abruptly stopped.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/09/coming-up-new-ebook-on-dellen-millard.html

 

[SnooperDuper]

When DM wrote "My mum worries about me writing 'the letter leaker,' " do you think he was writing that TO the letter leaker? (My mum worries but I think you're ok)

 

[Juballee]

Or maybe DM's charges will be reduced, or maybe all the charges will be reduced, or more likely, neither of the charges will be reduced. Yes, we will have to wait and see. JMO



I've seen a few indicators and some have been pointed out. MS just seems to be mostly ignored in these threads. I highly doubt MS is sitting in jail based only on the weak descriptions of him from the business owner and SB. JMO



Or maybe DM hopped into the Yukon at the end of the driveway. Or maybe neither one did. Yes, lots of maybes, one just as possible as another. JMO
I'm not talking about LB's case as we know nothing at all about any evidence they have in that case. No sense speculating on witnesses or whether one or both were present when we have absolutely nothing to go on. Although I will say, I don't think MS would be charged with 1st degree murder in LB's death if LE didn't at least think he was present at the time. JMO



Here's one sample - post #381.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?272812-Tim-Bosma-Dellen-Millard-amp-Mark-Smich-chgd-w-Murder-Christina-Noudga-Accessory-3&p=11611649#post11611649

There are others. In the NP article with the quoted letters, whenever three dots (...) are shown, a separate letter follows those dots, which can be seen if you compare them to the original blog posts about the letters.

The first letter was in MSM (well, I don't consider it MSM, but many here seem to) on July 24, 2013 and it was undated. It was obtained from a person in one of the Facebook gossip groups after it was posted in that group and others.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/07/authenticating-the-dellen-millard-jailhouse-letter.html

The subsequent letters that this writer "found" were written from June 2013 to March 2014, when the correspondence "abruptly stopped".

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/09/coming-up-new-ebook-on-dellen-millard.html

I can only think that the letters stopped because they started going through DM's lawyer. If the author of the blog didn't claim the letters were written to various sources, I would be sorely tempted to think they were all written to the same person and DP stopped the letters to that person or DM discovered it wasn't wise to continue writing to her. If they were truly written to various friends and family members, I'm left wondering who handed over or sold the personal letters.



The letters stopped coming, so I guess any written after that period of time have remained confidential so far. I think any normal person would trust their family and friends not to sell their personal letters to someone writing a blog about them. And personally, IMO and JMO, I think anyone who believes that all those family members and friends each individually handed over their letters to the same blog writer is more naive than DM.

JMO MOO IMO

I couldn't agree with you more. Personally I am highly mistrustful of anything in the media that has been edited or tweeked for public consumption. And I can't imagine anyone who was a trusted friend or family member would do that to someone that they cared for unless they had planned to betray their trust the entire time. If it turns out that these came from another source, like a prison guard leak, I would be less surprised, personally. But either way I am still very curious to know the real source of these letters, and would like to see them fully, unedited and in their proper context before I judged them. All just my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I couldn't agree with you more. Personally I am highly mistrustful of anything in the media that has been edited or tweeked for public consumption. And I can't imagine anyone who was a trusted friend or family member would do that to someone that they cared for unless they had planned to betray their trust the entire time. If it turns out that these came from another source, like a prison guard leak, I would be less surprised, personally. But either way I am still very curious to know the real source of these letters, and would like to see them fully, unedited and in their proper context before I judged them. All just my opinion.

Some read like a shallow new romance with little invested by either side. It's very interesting that DM chose to play that game, given he's in a position where he already had a girlfriend. I guess having a girlfriend never stopped him from having ANOTHER girlfriend before. (And you have to wonder why his wedding was called off).

DM is just showing himself to be a player and a manipulator.

He is also a risk-taker, and it is interesting that he took risks with this person he is getting to know via letter with match.com type love quizzes with the focus of disseminating a certain image of himself out there.

If the letter leaker and the correspondent here are the same person, it shows his ongoing interest in manipulating the media (where the original letter was leaked).

 

[SnooperDuper]

I couldn't agree with you more. Personally I am highly mistrustful of anything in the media that has been edited or tweeked for public consumption. And I can't imagine anyone who was a trusted friend or family member would do that to someone that they cared for unless they had planned to betray their trust the entire time. If it turns out that these came from another source, like a prison guard leak, I would be less surprised, personally. But either way I am still very curious to know the real source of these letters, and would like to see them fully, unedited and in their proper context before I judged them. All just my opinion.

OTOH the letters could be in part from family who have already been betrayed by DM and who no longer trust him.

&#8220;I&#8217;m working on getting out of here,&#8221; he tells a cousin. &#8220;I owe you some driving lessons, and a trip to Jamaica )&#8221;

(DM is willing to buy his cousin's love back)

He goes against the wishes of his uncle and tries to finagle a visit from his 18-year-old cousin. &#8220;I would really like to know what&#8217;s going on with her,&#8221; he tells a friend.

(Kind of telling that family members do not want DM in their life)

Anyway, murdering people can be seen as breaking the trust of, or betraying other people. Perhaps DM's family is as thoroughly disgusted with him as any casual outside observer. Since DM broke his family's trust, they feel they owe him no honour or privacy. No mystery there.

 

[Juballee]

Some read like a shallow new romance with little invested by either side. It's very interesting that DM chose to play that game, given he's in a position where he already had a girlfriend. I guess having a girlfriend never stopped him from having ANOTHER girlfriend before. (And you have to wonder why his wedding was called off).

DM is just showing himself to be a player and a manipulator.

He is also a risk-taker, and it is interesting that he took risks with this person he is getting to know via letter with match.com type love quizzes with the focus of disseminating a certain image of himself out there.

If the letter leaker and the correspondent here are the same person, it shows his ongoing interest in manipulating the media (where the original letter was leaked).

If you have seen the letters in their entirety, please enlighten us on where to find a link to them so that we can fully discuss it without having some members feel excluded.

OTOH the letters could be in part from family who have already been betrayed by DM and who no longer trust him.

(DM is willing to buy his cousin's love back)

(Kind of telling that family members do not want DM in their life)

Anyway, murdering people can be seen as breaking the trust of, or betraying other people. Perhaps DM's family is as thoroughly disgusted with him as any casual outside observer. Since DM broke his family's trust, they feel they owe him no honour or privacy. No mystery there.

Do we know that he is buying back love as suggested, or could it be perhaps promises made before his arrest that he hasn't forgotten?

I'm curious about the source of this knowledge, still. If we are still talking about the NP article with the anippets of alledged letters, I don't recall the reporter divulging where they had heard what an uncle had wished. Is this second hand knowledge, 3rd hand, 4th hand, something someone heard from a friend of a friend who had a friend?

 

[Kamille]

I couldn't agree with you more. Personally I am highly mistrustful of anything in the media that has been edited or tweeked for public consumption. And I can't imagine anyone who was a trusted friend or family member would do that to someone that they cared for unless they had planned to betray their trust the entire time. If it turns out that these came from another source, like a prison guard leak, I would be less surprised, personally. But either way I am still very curious to know the real source of these letters, and would like to see them fully, unedited and in their proper context before I judged them. All just my opinion.

I'd think DM's lawyer would be very interested in the letters as well and would be filing a motion if it was a prison guard leak. Have we heard of any interest from his legal team as to the source of the letters or how the media got a hold of them? Or is it more likely they know and the reports are correct about their source so it's a non issue?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Some read like a shallow new romance with little invested by either side. It's very interesting that DM chose to play that game, given he's in a position where he already had a girlfriend. I guess having a girlfriend never stopped him from having ANOTHER girlfriend before. (And you have to wonder why his wedding was called off).

DM is just showing himself to be a player and a manipulator.

He is also a risk-taker, and it is interesting that he took risks with this person he is getting to know via letter with match.com type love quizzes with the focus of disseminating a certain image of himself out there.

If the letter leaker and the correspondent here are the same person, it shows his ongoing interest in manipulating the media (where the original letter was leaked).

How does this show his interest in manipulating the media? It wasn't him who leaked the letter. It was her and it was also her who decided to share it with someone who wanted to post it publicly and write a book.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

OTOH the letters could be in part from family who have already been betrayed by DM and who no longer trust him.



(DM is willing to buy his cousin's love back)



(Kind of telling that family members do not want DM in their life)

Anyway, murdering people can be seen as breaking the trust of, or betraying other people. Perhaps DM's family is as thoroughly disgusted with him as any casual outside observer. Since DM broke his family's trust, they feel they owe him no honour or privacy. No mystery there.

I don't see anything proving he's trying to buy love. Maybe someone remembering a promise. I also don't see even a small snippet of a letter showing that an uncle wants to keep his family away from him. Only a comment from the writer with absolutely nothing to show how she arrived at that assumption. The one sentence quoted - "I would really like to know what's going on with her" - gives no insight into why he hasn't heard from her. Nor does it indicate that he's trying to "finagle a visit" from her.

I would hope that family and close friends would be a little more willing to wait for the trial before betraying him and continuing a pretext of writing to him only to pass his letters on to someone who will publish them.

JMO