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I do know they kept Michelle Young's home for 13 days.
^^^going to look up Michelle Young
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I do know they kept Michelle Young's home for 13 days.
Okay..thinking. LE doesn't know "what the crime is." Could this mean that somebody had inconclusive results on a polygraph? Two possibilities come to mind:
1. Possible deception about being out of the home that night: In this case investigators can't know what happened to Haleigh since she had no supervision (intruder abduction or homicide)
2. Possible deception about kidnapping scenario: In this case investigators suspect foul play and are waiting for more clues about where Haleigh can be found.
"Recovery" (as opposed to rescue) of Haleigh would be key in either homicide scenario, as this would yield clues as to what scenario took place. This would lead to murder weapon, etc.
I do know they kept Michelle Young's home for 13 days.
Initially, if Ronald gave LE consent to search, then LE could search. If LE asked if they could take a picture of Haleigh, cassettes, and tape, then LE did so and with Ronald's blessing. Ronald would have signed an acknowledgement of consent to search. As for the gun listed in the incident report; LE could take that gun because there was a recorded threat from Ronald to kill anyone he thought to have taken his daughter. That would have also been for Ronald's protection as well.
When LE started taking items other than what was mentioned in the incident report, I would bet anything there was a warrant so as to protect the chain of custody of any evidence found. JMO
O/T very sad that story. I can see why LE would keep that home however. There was a dead mother, strangled in the house. I don't see a parallel to this case.
They do not have to stay in a tent. It's their choice. Both Misty and Ron have family members who would gladly take them, from what I've heard. Is JR also sleeping in the tent? If so, then these people have no scruples. Where is junior?
LE did not and does not need consent to search. The location is a crime scene. As such it is literally and legally OWNED by the chief police officer until such time as LE chooses to release it back. They do not need consent, they do not need warrants. A crime was reported to have taken place at and within that location.
This is one of the more obscure legal powers of our emergency services. A similar legal ability exists for the fire department. At the time of a fire or a report of a fire the property is legally owned by the Fire Chief. This gives the Chief the legal authority to enter, evict/forcefully evacuate/investigate/etc. It does not revert to the resident or property owner until such time as the Fire Chief releases it. And it is an absolute power that I believe comes from executive branch authority. It is not one that is easily or readily challenged in court.
I know this has been brought up in some other threads... but it has been bugging me.... I have not said anything about it till now....
THE "LOCKED" Door...... ok.. I live in a mobile home it is a 1988 (3 bedroom, 2 bath) front door (with porch) and back door (carport) we NEVER use the "front door" we have lived here for 5 years... my hubbys puter is actually in front of the front door.... it is in the living room.... we just have ALWAYS used the back door.... it is on the carport side and opens into the laundry room then to the kitchen..... just easier for us..... well.... my POINT is..... we have dead bolt and key lock on the "front door" ...... we NEVER, I mean NEVER check it to "make sure" it is locked..... it just ALWAYS is!
I just find Ron's statement that he checked it "Daily" was strange..... why? if you NEVER use the door then why have to check it?
Bolded by me............I thought his comment on checking the door to make sure it was locked was strange also, if you never use a door then why continue to check it? It had a lock that Haleigh could not reach per Ron, so this is red flags to me!!! i.e checking a door that is not used just makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm
If it were this easy, why didn't they seize Drew P.'s home and Craig S.'s home? They could still have control of both of those!Originally Posted by RJA00
one of the officals explained it has a crime has happened and until they find the crime they will not release it they will keep for as long as needed
i found it he says it about 2:15 in the video
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128
If it were this easy, why didn't they seize Drew P.'s home and Craig S.'s home? They could still have control of both of those!
LE doesnt know what the crime is because they dont know what happened to haleigh
the crime of kidnapping is there, but they dont know whether she's alive or not, so the crime of murder is up in the air, that is what i got from the LE's statement
I know this has been brought up in some other threads... but it has been bugging me.... I have not said anything about it till now....
THE "LOCKED" Door...... ok.. I live in a mobile home it is a 1988 (3 bedroom, 2 bath) front door (with porch) and back door (carport) we NEVER use the "front door" we have lived here for 5 years... my hubbys puter is actually in front of the front door.... it is in the living room.... we just have ALWAYS used the back door.... it is on the carport side and opens into the laundry room then to the kitchen..... just easier for us..... well.... my POINT is..... we have dead bolt and key lock on the "front door" ...... we NEVER, I mean NEVER check it to "make sure" it is locked..... it just ALWAYS is!
I just find Ron's statement that he checked it "Daily" was strange..... why? if you NEVER use the door then why have to check it?
Bolded by me............I thought his comment on checking the door to make sure it was locked was strange also, if you never use a door then why continue to check it? It had a lock that Haleigh could not reach per Ron, so this is red flags to me!!! i.e checking a door that is not used just makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm
I don't think it's strange. I do the same thing. You can never be "too safe". Or it could be my OCD.
How long did LE keep the VanDams out of their home when Danielle was taken? Lundsfords? Klaas?
It does seem to be a long time to keep the home off limits...
And....how often was the trash taken out? It seems they are implying it was rarely...like taking out the vacuum to clean the car?
If it were this easy, why didn't they seize Drew P.'s home and Craig S.'s home? They could still have control of both of those!
Ah, OK. Makes sense now. Thanks!Because in both cases there was no testimony, direct evidence or claims that the crime occured within the home. Everyone may suspect it, but LE would have to have some degree of proof to declare it an official crime scene,and take control.
This is similar to the Caylee Anthony case, where since the initial assumption was the crime had occured after the daughter and grandaughter had departed the grandparents home, that house was not considered an official "crime scene" just a source of evidence, until much later.
In the case of Hayleigh, the claim from the begining is that the home was broken into and the girl abducted from her bed. That makes the house the scene of a crime from the word go, and the initial scene of a crime in progress (if it is an abduction). And LE can act as they have.