Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #3

[CHICANA]

Huh. I didn't know that Ron had been arrested for trespassing, declared himself indigent, had been cited for leaving the scene of an accident with injuries, and poaching, all while maintaining the custody of his children. Interesting link. Thanks.

So there is no history of domestic violence?

Domestic violence victims don't always call the police. Either because they think they love or need their abuser or out of fear. I can't count the times my ex hit me but he was only convicted of domestic violence once in the ten years we were married.
Just because it's not documented doesn't mean there's no history.

 

[zadari]

I think that much the same sort of logic was espoused during the Salem witch trials, and the proceedings of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee

i get what your saying but
witch hunts have nothing to do with parents that expose thier children to an rso that is just not the same i agree if its any allegation it should be checked out thoroughly and the child not be exposed to that person until its proven they are or arnt ...a responsible parent doesnt knowingly expose thier children to an rso

 

[zadari]

Then Crystal should not regain custody either as her fiance/step-brother, mother, father, etc. also have concerns involving drugs, animal fighting, Assault w/deadly weapons, battery, and other things which have also come up during this investigation. There is a photo of Crystal in an apartment on her 23rd birthday which states she is drunk (child is seen in the photo) and the apartment is adorned with pots references and fake plants.

I would have to say the safest place for the children would be with TN who has no drug charges, assault charges, or anything remotely like those on both sides of the family.

i think if she got her life straightened out and ron did too that they could both share custody . crystal may not be doing things perfectly but niether is ron they both need to put thier kids first and not thier lifestyle

 

[stilettos]

I think that much the same sort of logic was espoused during the Salem witch trials, and the proceedings of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee

So you feel that LE and the Family Court system in the Satsuma area is equal to the Salam Witch Trials and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee? Hmmm...And I feel so patriotic when I protect the interests of a child. You see I was once a child such as this. If noone had investigated I would be dead. So now I dedicate my life to protecting the rights of children. Not witch hunting nor Communist hunting, just child advocate. Children come first.

 

[stilettos]

That's pretty darned convenient for her, don't you think?

If I understand this position correctly then she can say whatever she wants to, in any venue she chooses to. She can do this with complete disregard to facts, substantiation, or any collateral damage done whether present or future. She can choose to publicly repeat rumor, innuendo, third party opinion, or even make things up out of whole cloth...

... and the DCFS is responsible for whatever happens.

No wonder that outfit has such a bad rep.

She could. However, there are legal remedies for the other party should it be proven she has done so.

 

[stilettos]

Then Crystal should not regain custody either as her fiance/step-brother, mother, father, etc. also have concerns involving drugs, animal fighting, Assault w/deadly weapons, battery, and other things which have also come up during this investigation. There is a photo of Crystal in an apartment on her 23rd birthday which states she is drunk (child is seen in the photo) and the apartment is adorned with pot references and fake plants.

I would have to say the safest place for the children would be with TN who has no drug charges, assault charges, or anything remotely like those on both sides of the family.

Sometimes the safest place for the children is not with the family of birth.

 

[zadari]

So you feel that LE and the Family Court system in the Satsuma area is equal to the Salam Witch Trials and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee? Hmmm...And I feel so patriotic when I protect the interests of a child. You see I was once a child such as this. If noone had investigated I would be dead. So now I dedicate my life to protecting the rights of children. Not witch hunting nor Communist hunting, just child advocate. Children come first.

im glad you arnt dead and im glad that you do what you do for kids ,that is wonderful you were given a chance to help someone else so many on here have lost someone or have been hurt beaten and abused...i have been abused as a child and as an adult only as an adult it was mental abuse and beatings so i, like you do feel strongly about abuse

 

[debs]

That's pretty darned convenient for her, don't you think?

If I understand this position correctly then she can say whatever she wants to, in any venue she chooses to. She can do this with complete disregard to facts, substantiation, or any collateral damage done whether present or future. She can choose to publicly repeat rumor, innuendo, third party opinion, or even make things up out of whole cloth...

... and the DCFS is responsible for whatever happens.

No wonder that outfit has such a bad rep.

Crystal can only make the report of what she's been told and what she herself is willing to go on record as having witnessed herself. DFS will investigate. That's what the system is set up to do.

 

[texasmommy39]

Do you think that Haleigh and Jr's beds being in the master bedroom where the Father cohabits illegally with his underage lover is NOT abuse? Do you think that RC exposing the children (through Misty or not) to RSO's regularly is NOT abuse? Do you think that exposing those children to known drug offenders and current drug dealers is NOT abuse? The child remaining in the home being supervised by the person who was responsible for Haleigh when she goes missing and LE states she is the key to the case...and he marries her...these things are of no concern?? When is the right time to protect a child????

When it comes to the attention of the parent. Like back in November when the step mom who is a nurse with a pediatricians office urged her to take pictures. Crystal did state she reported it but did she follow up with DCF to determine their findings? Was she persistant in speaking with officials to keep her babies safe? Did she voice her concerns when asked at the begingin of this nightmare?
I may be wrong but no I dont feel it is abuse to allow your children if they are scared to seek comfort in their parent's bed nor to be allowed to sleep on mattres in parent's room on the floor. It would be inapropriate for the two to have sex in the same room with the children. But if I remember correctly Ron was at work not commiting hanky panky in said bed with children present. Now if someone else wants to add more unfounded truths to indicate this, so be it.
Has their been proof of this accusation of the children hanging out with SO? I believe this is hearsay but please direct me to these so that I can make a informed opinion.
Can we not agree that the appropriate individuals and agencies will be looking in to this and it will be their findings that determine the outcome not ours.

 

[stilettos]

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When it comes to the attention of the parent. Like back in November when the step mom who is a nurse with a pediatricians office urged her to take pictures. Crystal did state she reported it but did she follow up with DCF to determine their findings? Was she persistant in speaking with officials to keep her babies safe? Did she voice her concerns when asked at the begingin of this nightmare?
I may be wrong but no I dont feel it is abuse to allow your children if they are scared to seek comfort in their parent's bed nor to be allowed to sleep on mattres in parent's room on the floor. It would be inapropriate for the two to have sex in the same room with the children. But if I remember correctly Ron was at work not commiting hanky panky in said bed with children present. Now if someone else wants to add more unfounded truths to indicate this, so be it.
Has their been proof of this accusation of the children hanging out with SO? I believe this is hearsay but please direct me to these so that I can make a informed opinion.
Can we not agree that the appropriate individuals and agencies will be looking in to this and it will be their findings that determine the outcome not ours.

Yes it is the authorities and agencies that should investigate this as well as the illegal sexual contact with a minor. So technically RC is a sexual predator.

 

[cuppy199]

It is associating with known drug offenders and RSO's and perhaps the prospensity to involve himself with underage girls that may very well have placed those children in danger. In my mind you place your child in danger when associating with these types of offenders. Where Haleigh lives when she returns and where JR lives now should be a concern for every person with a heart. Finding Haleigh may well rest within RC's associations so fair game in my book.

The mother was know to do drugs also. How do you know she doesn't still hang with them. I wouldn't call the mother soon to be husband a saint either. I have a heart but IMO none of them are model parents.

 

[CHICANA]

Then Crystal should not regain custody either as her fiance/step-brother, mother, father, etc. also have concerns involving drugs, animal fighting, Assault w/deadly weapons, battery, and other things which have also come up during this investigation. There is a photo of Crystal in an apartment on her 23rd birthday which states she is drunk (child is seen in the photo) and the apartment is adorned with pot references and fake plants.

I would have to say the safest place for the children would be with TN who has no drug charges, assault charges, or anything remotely like those on both sides of the family.

I'm not sure TN would be the best choice as she did raise two children who have drug and assault charges.

 

[texasmommy39]

Yes it is the authorities and agencies that should investigate this as well as the illegal sexual contact with a minor. So technically RC is a sexual predator.

Ok what ever. Do you have any other ideas on finding Haleigh? Im sure Crystal would love some help in this area too.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm not sure TN would be the best choice as she did raise two children who have drug and assault charges.

LOL So now we should punish in some way the parents of all children who have used drugs or have assault charges? I guess someone better go round up some members of Congress and a lot of other community leaders...because I have heard tell of them having children charged with such crimes, too! Take their other children and grandchildren away from them as they are a danger?! GMAB!

 

[texasmommy39]

Domestic violence victims don't always call the police. Either because they think they love or need their abuser or out of fear. I can't count the times my ex hit me but he was only convicted of domestic violence once in the ten years we were married.
Just because it's not documented doesn't mean there's no history.

Then you and I have something in common. Did you have children with this man? Would you or did you leave or allow your children to be alone with him? Would you not have done anything to protect them against his violent ways.

 

[cuppy199]

I'm not sure TN would be the best choice as she did raise two children who have drug and assault charges.

So you blame the mom for her grown children records? So when do young adults take blame for their own actions?

 

[atherella]

Yes it is the authorities and agencies that should investigate this as well as the illegal sexual contact with a minor. So technically RC is a sexual predator.

I keep hearing about SR and illegal sexual contact with a minor (in reference to Misty). I'm curious, what is the age of consent in Florida? Does anyone know this off the top of his/her head? I know it varies from state to state. In many states, the age is 17, I believe in some states, the age is even 16, so I'm just curious what the age is in Florida.


ETA - I just checked for myself. The age is 18 in Florida.

There is a loophole it looks like, a "close age exemption". The exception permits an a person younger than 24 to become involved in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17. I'm trying to find out if this exemption is outdated. I don't believe it is.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes it is the authorities and agencies that should investigate this as well as the illegal sexual contact with a minor. So technically RC is a sexual predator.

OMG! This has gotten so far out of hand, imo!

I guess it is where I grew up, but being 17 and in love isn't a crime, imo. Half the people in my high school must have been criminals their senior year because they turned 18 while dating their future spouses who were usually a couple of years younger. (Some of those "had" to get married while still in h.s., too...and I might add...the majority of those marriages have lasted over 30 years!) Then there were others who dated their future spouses while they were in h.s. and they were in college making them older, too! Oh, how times have changed...and values...and laws...and the divorce rates. Where and when did people decide to make it a crime to fall in love while being young?

 

[CHICANA]

So you feel that LE and the Family Court system in the Satsuma area is equal to the Salam Witch Trials and the House UnAmerican Activities Committee? Hmmm...And I feel so patriotic when I protect the interests of a child. You see I was once a child such as this. If noone had investigated I would be dead. So now I dedicate my life to protecting the rights of children. Not witch hunting nor Communist hunting, just child advocate. Children come first.

I don't trust the child welfare system in any state and with good reason. That being said I'm sure there are some who feel as you do and have the best of intentions.
It bothers me when people think DFS is infallible.
Just as in any other profession, there are good and bad DFS workers.

In this case, the judge had very little to go on and IMO DFS didn't have a legal reason to remove the kids even though they might have been better off somewhere else.
The law is clear when followed. A child can only legally be removed when there is risk of serious physical harm or death. I realize not all workers follow this, but it is the law and I think it's necessary. Leaving a small bruise on a child's behind doesn't mean that parent is going to seriously hurt or kill their child. Even when they find some kind of mild abuse they are supposed to provide services to the family not just yank the kid out of their home which could be much more traumatic than a bruise on the butt.
The calls to DFS weren't working and Crystal's only real option imo was to try to get the custody order modified.

 

[bisaillon]

OMG! This has gotten so far out of hand, imo!

I guess it is where I grew up, but being 17 and in love isn't a crime, imo. Half the people in my high school must have been criminals their senior year because they turned 18 while dating their future spouses who were usually a couple of years younger. (Some of those "had" to get married while still in h.s., too...and I might add...the majority of those marriages have lasted over 30 years!) Then there were others who dated their future spouses while they were in h.s. and they were in college making them older, too! Oh, how times have changed...and values...and laws...and the divorce rates. Where and when did people decide to make it a crime to fall in love while being young?

The Law Says it's illegal........would you want your 17 yr old dating a 25 year old man ?