Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #8

[Baxter]

This is IMO, as someone with some knowledge of persons who abuse drugs. The seizures can be caused by the drugs. I read all though these threads about poor Crystal, she's under so much stress,that it made her start to have seizures months ago. Stress does not cause a seizure in someone who has no history of seizures. If the medication leval of the meds for seizures is too low in the blood, that can cause them. But, I recall CS and her Mother stating she had never had them before, and it was the stress of Haleigh being missing that caused them. That made me think she was still on illegal drugs. IMO, the doctor ordered the labs to see what all she had been taking and how much, a blood draw on that is very accurate, and cannot be tampered with like a urine test. Drug abusers always lie. A blood draw won't. They needed to know what she needed to detoxed from. When asked by reporters if she had been to the doctor to see why she started having seizures, CS stated she was "too busy" with all the work at the Haleighbug center. It is however possible to start to have seizures in someone who has never had them at any age.

Did you hear about Lindsy Croslin's seizures? I guess we can't blame Tommy for her "stress". Must be drugs, too according to your post above?

 

[newstome]

No Baxter I didn't read about Lindsey's seizures. Just read the Doctor's note, top edge covered up, and based on some of CS behaviors, wrote my opinion. Didn't know I had to give a detailed explanation on all the causes for seizures, or that you would then decide to put words in my mouth about anyone who ever had a seizure. Over 35 years here, reading Drs. orders, noting them, and doing/giving meds. Now, lets move on.

 

[debs]

No Baxter I didn't read about Lindsey's seizures. Just read the Doctor's note, top edge covered up, and based on some of CS behaviors, wrote my opinion. Didn't know I had to give a detailed explanation on all the causes for seizures, or that you would then decide to put words in my mouth about anyone who ever had a seizure. Over 35 years here, reading Drs. orders, noting them, and doing/giving meds. Now, lets move on.

It was a valid question. Even after people have explained that yes, stress CAN induce a seizure, you're still going with drugs......that's all well and good. But it was a valid question. Lindsy recently was in hospital for seizures and was awaiting someone picking her up when her husband was arrested. The question was whether you would determine that Lindsy was also on drugs, instead of these seizures being stress-induced.

Reading doctor's notes hardly makes one qualified to speak AS a doctor and make an online determination.

 

[curvecuti]

No Baxter I didn't read about Lindsey's seizures. Just read the Doctor's note, top edge covered up, and based on some of CS behaviors, wrote my opinion. Didn't know I had to give a detailed explanation on all the causes for seizures, or that you would then decide to put words in my mouth about anyone who ever had a seizure. Over 35 years here, reading Drs. orders, noting them, and doing/giving meds. Now, lets move on.

The top edge of the Drs. note is not covered up. What you see that looks covered up, I didn't realize the banner was there, is part of the Bar Doc that says that this is the note CS gave KP saying she couldn't drive or work. Which it is obviously, by the interpretations here, no such thing. No part of that note has been "covered up". And you can see the entire set of docs for yourself at TJ Hart's site.

ETA: CS's "seizures" have been discussed ad nauseum here. There are 2 distinct opinions, the "stress" induced, which is hard for me to accept because she had the first one before Haleigh went missing. And then there is the Drug induced, which imo, is what they were/are, we have an eyewitness, her own attorney, to this drug use. She refers to them as seizures/drug abuse.

 

[LFlorida]

The top edge of the Drs. note is not covered up. What you see that looks covered up, I didn't realize the banner was there, is part of the Bar Doc that says that this is the note CS gave KP saying she couldn't drive or work. Which it is obviously, by the interpretations here, no such thing. No part of that note has been "covered up". And you can see the entire set of docs for yourself at TJ Hart's site.

ETA: CS's "seizures" have been discussed ad nauseum here. There are 2 distinct opinions, the "stress" induced, which is hard for me to accept because she had the first one before Haleigh went missing. And then there is the Drug induced, which imo, is what they were/are, we have an eyewitness, her own attorney, to this drug use. She refers to them as seizures/drug abuse.

Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?

jmo - but I will give that blonde atty credit for using "seizures/drug abuse". Pretty darned coy of her, imo. Kind of an either/or proposition. Similar to the old "Do you still beat your wife?" tactic, imo but jmo.

 

[curvecuti]

Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?
jmo - but I will give that blonde atty credit for using "seizures/drug abuse". Pretty darned coy of her, imo. Kind of an either/or proposition. Similar to the old "Do you still beat your wife?" tactic, imo but jmo.

Please do not twist my words. I said no such thing in my post.

 

[elle1919]

Please do not twist my words. I said no such thing in my post.

I didn't read it that way curve, and I agree there are two distinct opinions about what was causing the seizures, I am actually uncertain myself because CS's first seizure occurred 2 days before Haleigh went missing according to Marie.

 

[TxLady2]

I didn't read it that way curve, and I agree there are two distinct opinions about what was causing the seizures, I am actually uncertain myself because CS's first seizure occurred 2 days before Haleigh went missing according to Marie.

She could have been stressed from other things besides Haleigh going missing. We don't know what was going on in her life prior to this.

 

[kamky]

It was a valid question. Even after people have explained that yes, stress CAN induce a seizure, you're still going with drugs......that's all well and good. But it was a valid question. Lindsy recently was in hospital for seizures and was awaiting someone picking her up when her husband was arrested. The question was whether you would determine that Lindsy was also on drugs, instead of these seizures being stress-induced.

Reading doctor's notes hardly makes one qualified to speak AS a doctor and make an online determination.

I think the reason so many people suspect that Crystal's seizures are drug-related is due to the knowledge that she has admitted to being a prior drug user and the suspicion, based upon her early interview behavior, that she was still using. This was confirmed by the revelations of her prior attorney.
In the case of Lindsy, there is no evidence that she was or is a drug user, and therefore no reason to associate her seizure with drug usage. Because of the microscope her family has been under, it is more logical to assume her seizures are stress-related. JMO.

Different people, different behaviors.

 

[newstome]

On my computer there is a tan colored heading on the top edge that says: click to increase the magnification of the entire page. I did not click it and it covered up some words. Regardless, I have my opinions and it is not OK to be rude if you don't share them. Many not so kind comments are written about the families based on what little we know and we may all be wrong.
Debs, I believe everyone here has made online determinations about the families behaviors. I guess you could say that none of us are
qualified to do it. JMO

 

[Whisperer]

I know that some are qualified, however, but they can only give a good guess w/o having the client in front of them.

....newstome, I appreciated your sharing that script with us.

 

[LFlorida]

Please do not twist my words. I said no such thing in my post.

Please elaborate on what you mean by stating that I am "twisting your words". I think I must be confused or just mis-reading your post.

I have copied your original post and my reply. Hope it makes it less cumbersome for you to point out what I did to "twist" your words.

Thank you, curvecuti.

Cuti's post: <snipped to remove discussion re: the obscured [or not] part of the "doctor's note.>

CS's "seizures" have been discussed ad nauseum here. There are 2 distinct opinions, the "stress" induced, which is hard for me to accept because she had the first one before Haleigh went missing. And then there is the Drug induced, which imo, is what they were/are, we have an eyewitness, her own attorney, to this drug use. She refers to them as seizures/drug abuse.


My response to cuti:

Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?

 

[Trident]

Please elaborate on what you mean by stating that I am "twisting your words". I think I must be confused or just mis-reading your post.

I have copied your original post and my reply. Hope it makes it less cumbersome for you to point out what I did to "twist" your words.

Thank you, curvecuti.

Cuti's post: <snipped to remove discussion re: the obscured [or not] part of the "doctor's note.>

CS's "seizures" have been discussed ad nauseum here. There are 2 distinct opinions, the "stress" induced, which is hard for me to accept because she had the first one before Haleigh went missing. And then there is the Drug induced, which imo, is what they were/are, we have an eyewitness, her own attorney, to this drug use. She refers to them as seizures/drug abuse.


My response to cuti:

Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?

Excellent post, LFlorida, you did a great job of clearing that up. I wish all the contradictions and subtrafuge in this case could be dealt with so easily. :croc:

My opinion only

 

[curvecuti]

Please elaborate on what you mean by stating that I am "twisting your words". I think I must be confused or just mis-reading your post.

I have copied your original post and my reply. Hope it makes it less cumbersome for you to point out what I did to "twist" your words.

Thank you, curvecuti.

Cuti's post: <snipped to remove discussion re: the obscured [or not] part of the "doctor's note.>

CS's "seizures" have been discussed ad nauseum here. There are 2 distinct opinions, the "stress" induced, which is hard for me to accept because she had the first one before Haleigh went missing. And then there is the Drug induced, which imo, is what they were/are, we have an eyewitness, her own attorney, to this drug use. She refers to them as seizures/drug abuse.

I colored red the original word opinions in my original post.
My response to cuti:

Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?

Your post stated,

Originally Posted by LFlorida
Stress and drug abuse are the only possible causes of seizures?

No where in my post does it say anything about the only possible CAUSES of the seizures being strees or drug induced. It says there are 2 distinct OPINIONS about the causes CS's seizures. Causes and opinions of the causes are 2 completely different things. Seizures can be caused by any number of things, including stress and drug use. Those 2 are the distinct OPINIONS that are given here. We have not seen a diagnosis of the cause, so we are left to guess. And those guesses fall into 2 distinct camps here, stress and drugs. Hope that clarifies.

 

[debs]

I'm not sure...........I think we can parse this down just a little.bit.more........

 

[lil momma]

http://epilepsy.about.com/od/basicsofepilepsy/a/seizurefacts.htm

Since we are on the topic of seizures, i figured i would post this link. Here is a little portion of the article.

~snip~

Anyone can have a seizure.

You don&#8217;t have to have to be diagnosed with epilepsy to have a seizure. Epilepsy implies that you are having multiple seizures. However, a seizure can occur due to a variety of factors, such as a fever, high or low blood sugar, a tumor, injury, electrolyte imbalance, and drug withdrawal. Sometimes, you can correct the underlying factor and will not experience any more seizures. On the other hand, some of these factors, such as a brain injury, may be permanent. In this case, you will require lifelong therapy to manage your seizures.

I am not trying to start conflict, but i think it is important to know what triggers the seizures. There are several different things that can trigger them.

 

[curvecuti]

http://epilepsy.about.com/od/basicsofepilepsy/a/seizurefacts.htm

Since we are on the topic of seizures, i figured i would post this link. Here is a little portion of the article.

~snip~

Anyone can have a seizure.

You don’t have to have to be diagnosed with epilepsy to have a seizure. Epilepsy implies that you are having multiple seizures. However, a seizure can occur due to a variety of factors, such as a fever, high or low blood sugar, a tumor, injury, electrolyte imbalance, and drug withdrawal. Sometimes, you can correct the underlying factor and will not experience any more seizures. On the other hand, some of these factors, such as a brain injury, may be permanent. In this case, you will require lifelong therapy to manage your seizures.

I am not trying to start conflict, but i think it is important to know what triggers the seizures. There are several different things that can trigger them.

Thanks for posting that. We have been through CS's "seizures" with a fine tooth comb on her threads. All we know is she had the first a few days before Haleigh went missing and then had 2 more afterwards. 1 while she was driving w/ Chloe in the car, and according to Kim P. she gave her Dad a bunch of pills before the cops came to the accident scene.

 

[lil momma]

Here is another article about seizures and drug use.

http://www.epilepsy.com/info/teens_gen_drugs

~SNIP~

Crack and other forms of cocaine can cause seizures in people who have never had one before. Although there are no studies of the effects of crack or cocaine on seizure control, there is an obvious risk that these substances would make the occurrence of seizures more likely. Seizures that occur with cocaine or crack use are much more dangerous than seizures that occur from other causes or spontaneously, and can be fatal. This was clearly demonstrated in 1986 by the case of Len Bias, a basketball star from the University of Maryland, who reportedly had seizures and died after using crack. Deadly seizures or heart attacks can occur even after the first-time use of these substances. Crack and cocaine are associated with other serious health problems as well, and should be avoided at all costs.

 

[lil momma]

Thanks for posting that. We have been through CS's "seizures" with a fine tooth comb on her threads. All we know is she had the first a few days before Haleigh went missing and then had 2 more afterwards. 1 while she was driving w/ Chloe in the car, and according to Kim P. she gave her Dad a bunch of pills before the cops came to the accident scene.

No problem curvecuti!

I just remember there being so much discussion about it, but nothing posted regarding any studies on seizures. or any medical articles regarding them. I think it is a 50/50 shot that the seizures were caused by drug use. We really don't know the medical history of the family either.

This whole case has me messed up.

 

[newstome]

So........ no one here wants to sleuth CS? Already decided who is responsible for this and not willing to discuss anything about CS involvement? One person is very obvious by his behaviors, and the behaviors are sefish and foreign to many of us.
I have stated in other posts, these people don't think or reason like we based on how they were raised, what was modeled to them. CS and RC had the same hard life and were just like Jr. and Haleigh at one time. Very few of us probably had a perfect childhood but based on police reports and parents lifestyles, the two parents in this case had to develope ways to survive it. CS and RC both used drugs possibly to not feel the pain of the neglect they endured as children. Personalities are much different- CS seems to want to be controled, told what to do in situations that most at a women in her mid twenties, could figure out. Promiscuity, that her father has talked about, show she keeps looking for love acceptance, and someone to take care of her.
RC attacks verbally with anger, or when he feels threatened, sort of like, I'll get you before you get me. Has a swagering walk to show he is big and strong, don't mess with me.
Both, neglected and emotionally damaged children in adult bodies, and so very sad.
To me it seems like their parents try to make up for their neglect of them, by overcompensating and refusing to make them face the consequences of their actions as adults.
So, it seems we go arround and arround as we try to figure out these minds and behaviors, unable to parent or work a job, but able to rapidly set up bank accounts, money jars, benefits, Haleighbug center, TV appearances and give out photos and videos, for money. The thing that stood out to me about the school supplies drive, was that the request was made for them to be purchased at a rather expensive store that I never bought grade school supplies for my children at, it was target all the way at those ages. Why, so they could be returned for money, and for who?
These thoughts are all my opinions.