CT- Annie Le, missing from Yale, thread #2

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There was some question a page or so back about who/when the wedding was cancelled. This article says Mr. Widawsky postponed the wedding on Wednesday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...9-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html

This one says Jonathan cancelled it on Friday.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloody_clothes_in_missing_bride_wDZk02N1NnobuY0Drw0PCM

Keep in mind that they’re both in the NY Post, not the most reputable publication. (Remember, they’re the ones who said a body had been found.)
 
I have just read through this thread, thanks for all the fascinating assessments.

Regarding the items Annie was carrying--is it possible these had some value? If they were exams, for instance, would they have been theft worthy? I hope whatever is was has been scrutinized and accounted for by LE.

IMO, I can't see test-stealing out as a motive for murder in a 600 level graduate course at Yale. If you're enrolled in a graduate biomed program at Yale, you're a junior rock star (on planet "academia"). You likely didn't cheat your way there. And you've gone because you're willing to sacrifice yet 4 more years of your life to studying and research because you actually want to study and research.
 
LOL at the messy and disorganized! That's how they all look- not what you'd expect, right?

I can't tell what that is behind them- the color and texture look like your basic lab prefab shelving, except it looks too tall and narrow. It almost looks like a support column was covered with metal sheeting. Maybe it's covering pipes?
LOL Uhm...noooo...not what I would expect at all!! :eek: Pristine and clean would be my idea of a lab.

I noticed there were two screws on that column panel and was thinking if it was a void space it would be the first place I would want to look if I were LE. I am seeing the large boxes and the blue containers (those come up in almost every case in some way it seems). There are a lot of places to hide her or ways to get her out of the building.
 
Yes, she is recoiling, even her right foot is moving closer to her left. The person is blocking the entry, not openning it. Openning the door for her would leave a space for her to walk in. Although, it is just on screen shot, so I cannot be sure.

I noticed her right foot in a similar turned position on the screen shot that shows her inside the building. It makes me think that is just her normal state of gait.
 
Thanks so much for the valuable timeline ~ it answered a lot of questions I had before I wanted to post anything! I'm a little confused though by the gap in time between 2pm & 9pm ~ where was Annie supposed to be during that time? (Just a general question not that I expect you to know!) I too would also like to know who discovered her purse, etc and when. And finally who else was in the lab at the time she went in and if all those who were in there were seen leaving before or when the fire alarm went off. I assume the entire building was supposed to be evacuated when that alarm went off? MOO

thanks panthera - your questions are GREAT!!! If only we had answers. I have no idea where Annie was thought to be from noon to nine pm. Seems to me Bennet knew she was not available to TA her class but I don't know how he knew that. I have no idea who discovered her purse (police?)etc and have no idea if she ever made it to her lab. If you find out - please let me know as I can update that rough time-line for the next day or so. It isn't really a time-line for Annie but for Bennet cause I had so many questions. I will refine it and turn it into a more sophisticated time-lne. Thanks
 
I don't think there was test-stealing either. It is the beginning of the year, right? More likely any papers were syllabi/handouts for a course. We don't know it was papers, though, do we? I just can't see that clearly what she is holding.
 
That was my thought as well - perhaps if you opened the autoclave without turning a fan on first, it tripped the fire alarm? If so, I'm thinking this might have been something that happened relatively often, and a perp might KNOW that doing so would trip the alarm.

Question - if this were a semi-regular occurrence, how seriously would students/staff have taken the alarm? My initial thought was that the alarm might have been sounded to get Annie alone, but unfortunately it now appears she was already missing for some time - but it could have been done to cover disposal of a body or to confuse the issue as to whether she might have left on her own.

Also - Labrat - I'm assuming that if there was no one scheduled to use the animal lab after Annie, then a staff member working there could have anticipated having an undisturbed block of time with her?

It's been many years since I've operated an autoclave, but I think they can't be opened until the cycle finishes. It would be an inefficient way to trigger the alarm, though, when you could just throw a lit match into a waste basket.
I would think it's more likely the autoclave does this all the time, the alarm goes off, and everyone rolls their eyes and keeps working.

They could, but it might be risky- there's usually someone who forgot to sign up lurking about, or other staff members bringing in supplies, etc. Since I don't know that particular facility I can't speculate on the traffic flow there. I do think if I am correct in my speculation that it was more impulse than planned.
 
I wonder if the amount of blood found on the clothing would lead the police to believe there is no way she is a live. Maybe that is why the media reported they found a body when they didn't. Maybe the found enough blood from the body.
 
Can you elaborate for a lab knowledge challenged person like me?



I was wondering that to. This is what I found.
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoclave[/ame]
 
It's been many years since I've operated an autoclave, but I think they can't be opened until the cycle finishes. It would be an inefficient way to trigger the alarm, though, when you could just throw a lit match into a waste basket.
I would think it's more likely the autoclave does this all the time, the alarm goes off, and everyone rolls their eyes and keeps working.

Seems like if it happened too often, someone would fix it? My thinking was that there might be an exhaust fan or hood, and if the fan wasn't on, the alarm tripped. Might be an inefficient way to trigger the alarm, but if it happened relatively often, it would be less suspicious than starting a fire.
 
Do you think that article makes her powerful? We can agree to disagree...I think she was targeted because she picked out a dynamite dissertation for her research and was going to be in the way of a few. I believe Annie to be brilliant, she's much like a sponge and gets things done with effort that looks easy. Research is so competitive!. Every piece of research that is published and snatched up by a drug company, or turned into a patent is worth a fortune. I can't discount that power she would have had as she researched her way to fame nor those who would never clap for her success.

I don't believe she was targeted b/c of her research. At a top research university like Yale, grad students would be dropping like flies if they were killed off every time they picked a sensitive topic for a dissertation.

Annie was the TA for Bennett's(not correct - wasn't bennett's class) Pathology class - he cancelled it before she was reported missing. The building she started her day in and left her purse etc. (Sterling Hall of Medicine)

I'm going to speculate... sometime around noon, co-workers tell Bennett that she's gone missing (he may not have been in the lab area - they could have called him at his office or elsewhere?). I believe it's been stated that he's young? If so, it's likely that he might be unfamiliar with what the procedure would be in the case of a missing student, and instead of calling police he might have notified his superior - who could have assumed it was just a case of the student "taking off" for the day, and told Bennett to just go ahead and cancel the class. If the superior didn't personally know Le, he might have been unfamiliar with her work ethic and been unconcerned with her absence.

If she was a TA for a pathology class, then her labwork would be related to prepping for the afternoon class. If she had not shown up that morning in lab, then perhaps there wasn't going to be much to work on/discuss in class. However, being the first day of class, it seems like they would've gone ahead and met, handed out the syllabus, etc. When I was a doctoral student, I was a TA (an assistant one year and an instructor two other years), and if I was going to miss a class or be late, there was always someone you could find to show up temporarily, even to say I was running late.

But a friend and fellow student, Xiao Hung, told Fox 5 News that on a prior occasion near the building, Le "had been approached by other people and she managed to get in the car and escape from that incident."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=4152292

Do we know any more about this incident? :eek:

Now this is interesting. This may be why Bennett contacted the Dept Head immediately and also why the roommate got suspicious that evening. They knew something had happened before and they were concerned this time. Contacting a Dept Head to cancel a class isn't usually necessary, I wouldn't think. Dept Heads have more to worry about that each class that's cancelled, etc. But for a grad student to be a 'no show' under suspicious circumstances who had also been targeted before - now *that* would be a reason to go up the ladder.

I personally think that someone was stalking her, my thought is based on the article she wrote about crime on campus, I also feel that this stalking knew she was about to be married and wanted to get her before that happned....

My gut instinct on this one from the beginning is that there's someone, maybe another student/lab worker who had become infatuated with Annie and things escalated as her wedding approached. When they saw she actually planned to go through with the wedding, they became panicked and angry.

This is what I think, too. Last chance before she gets married.


Bennett's class didn't start until 10:30am. This means he possibly had 30 minutes prior to his rock solid alibi of teaching a class until noon.

The actual time of the fire alarm was at 12:40pm.

*IF* Bennett is involved, then this makes sense. The autaclave thing is strange - if someone were planning to murder someone in a lab, instruments could be the "weapon of choice". Sterilizing them should (?) erase any DNA evidence or fingerprints, etc. Perhaps the alarm was to (1) give someone a chance to get her out unnoticed in the mayhem, (2) provide a focus in the building other than where her body was so it could be removed unnoticed, or (3) an accident b/c they were nervous and focused on trying to sterlize the possible murder weapons.

Wow. Enough of this for now! Back to painting the fence. After spending time on this board, I'm always glad for my family and go hug my kids *alot*.

God bless her family.
 
Now that is something I have to question, too. Also...not sure about the steam because in one article I read last night it was mentioned it was set off due to a malfunction in the system and it was being looked at for tampering but didn't suspect it. What?!

Does the FBI and LE realize who they are dealing with in this case?! YALE students who have already proven to be the brightest and the best minds in the country! Sheesh! Doesn't Yale have a Crime Scene Analysis class they could get to work the area? At this point, it would be advisable.

It certainly would be interesting if a class solved Le's disappearance before LE. Certainly, Yale has some of the brightest students in the country, but a big mistake may be hiding the bloody clothing. It has to have DNA on it.
 
thanks panthera - your questions are GREAT!!! If only we had answers. I have no idea where Annie was thought to be from noon to nine pm. Seems to me Bennet knew she was not available to TA her class but I don't know how he knew that. I have no idea who discovered her purse (police?)etc and have no idea if she ever made it to her lab. If you find out - please let me know as I can update that rough time-line for the next day or so. It isn't really a time-line for Annie but for Bennet cause I had so many questions. I will refine it and turn it into a more sophisticated time-lne. Thanks
I'm still confused too about Bennett knowing she wouldn't be available for the 2pm class, unless she had communicated with him earlier and it's not being mentioned. I'm just trying to figure out who the perp might be and how they knew she'd be in the lab that morning (if premeditated) or if something just happened once she got there. If I find anything new I'll add it! :online:
 
LOL Uhm...noooo...not what I would expect at all!! :eek: Pristine and clean would be my idea of a lab.

I've seen a lot of university labs that look like that. Universities usually don't have the safety personnel that commercial labs do so nobody is going around telling them to clean up.
 
PURSE
Purse was discovered early on when only YALE U police were involved.

Le, who according to her Facebook page is scheduled to be married on Sunday, left her purse containing her cell phone, credit cards and money in her office in SHM, Lorimer said. She brought her Yale ID card with her, Lorimer said, in order to gain access to 10 Amistad St.
This is one of the first articles on the disapperance...it's worth readiing because it has raw stuff...before everybody started clamping down on info.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/city-news/2009/09/09/medical-student-goes-missing/
 
I was wondering that to. This is what I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoclave
I have another thought about the possibility of an autoclave setting off the alarm. *IF* it is true that bloody clothing was found in the ceiling, it seems logical that an instrument of some kind would've been used, such as to stab or cut ~ and the perp could've put it in the autoclave? Maybe setting off the alarm wasn't deliberate but just from not using the device properly? Or maybe the perp panicked and needed a distraction to clean up and/or get Annie out of there? MOO
 
I noticed in the picture of the lab that SS posted, there is a smoke detector on one of the ceiling tiles. I would assume it is hard-wired. If there was one like that near the location in the ceiling where the evidence was found, could whoever put the bloody clothes in the ceiling have set it off somehow by disturbing the wires? Would that sound a more general alarm?
 
I'm still confused too about Bennett knowing she wouldn't be available for the 2pm class, unless she had communicated with him earlier and it's not being mentioned. I'm just trying to figure out who the perp might be and how they knew she'd be in the lab that morning (if premeditated) or if something just happened once she got there. If I find anything new I'll add it! :online:

I don't think we know that BENNETT said she would not be available for the 2pm class. I don't even think we know that she HAD a 2pm class. This is all speculation. All we know is that BENNETT emailed SCHELSINGER at about noone to say Le had not shown up for work:
Schlessinger said that Bennett e-mailed him yesterday around noon informing him that Le had not come in to work and that no one knew where she was. Police confiscated all of Le’s materials from the Anton Bennet Lab in the Sterling Hall Department of Pharmacology, where she worked
 
Question for those familiar with these types of facilities...

...would they have to use a third-party to dipose of their medical waste, or would they potentially have an incinerator (or a crematory) onsite for such things?

The Yale Daily News is mentioning a search of the incinerator going on at the Hartford incinerator were the trash from Yale goes at this moment http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/2009/09/13/investigators-search-trash-hartford-incinerator/

"Trash from New Haven and some 70 other towns goes to the facility in Hartford, which is operated by the Connecticut Resource Recovery Authority. FBI agent Bill Reiner said officials are “following the trash” that left 10 Amistad St., the laboratory where Le was last seen, according to The Associated Press. He declined to comment further."

So I'm not sure if it'd have been incinerated at Yale and then taken to another incinerator? That seems a little excessive? And we did see them looking through cans/dumpsters, so unless some things are put in the incinerator and others not, it sort of looks like it goes to an incinerator at the main Hartford facility.
 
I don't think we know that BENNETT said she would not be available for the 2pm class. I don't even think we know that she HAD a 2pm class. This is all speculation. All we know is that BENNETT emailed SCHELSINGER at about noone to say Le had not shown up for work:
OK ~ thanks for clarifying! So that brings me back to another question, like when did someone go into her office and discover her phone/purse/etc there and why wasn't she reported missing until 9pm? I'd just think if she was so punctual and reliable somebody would've thought something was wrong sooner. MOO
 
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