GUILTY CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

[Diddian]

Yes, reading between the recent Troconis Crew statements scattered amongst the tears and finger pointing that we saw this week, it seems like they expected charges to possibly be only the 'lesser' Class D items and clearly not the top charges.

Watching them now for 5 years its been a wild ride as their social media and on air commentary has been all over the map and focused on victim shaming JF imo but their commentary oddly enough stacks up almost PERFECTLY to the case 'put on' by the Defence by Jon Schoenhorn and the other person whose name I can never recall....

I do believe the defence narrative was crafted by MT and Mama Troconis and simply executed with the assistance of Jon Schoenhorn and crew.

I never quite understood MT claiming to 'know nothing' YET doing 8+ hours of LE interviews with lying about lies (Troconis Crew on social media VILIFIED Atty Bowman for YEARS as did Jon Schoenhorn in his pretrial motions), talking in the LE interviews extensively about unimportant things but NEVER about important keystone events, crafting an alibi script leaving out critical events where she was caught on camera, relying on imo gross misstatements as to the reality of the lives of FD and MT at the time they chose to murder JF, including financial implosion of FORE, Family Court anger at FD lying about his finances with the assistance of Atty Michael Rose, and Family Court reality of no change to visitation or custody for FD and MT.

So, MT made the above claims with basically just the alibi 'proof' of the Stop and Shop robot, Petu and daughter school drop off and a discredited Family Court report that was irrelevant to their case imo. I'm leaving off the expert witnesses from this mix as I'm not sure how much they factored into the jury review.

MT and Troconis Crew to me rolled the dice on their strategy working against a nearly $10 million investigation by the CSP and State (estimates on cost of investigation have ranged from $5 - $10 million and I have no clue what the correct number is but IT WAS ALOT but imo much of it was because of the lies about lying of MT as I can only imagine the rabbit holes LE and Det. Kimball went down due to MT and her lies). Simply seems like a poor strategic bet to me but I'm just a naive simpleton to these legal choices made by defence but I do thing the jury results speak clearly as to the strategy and execution by the Defence as for that imo Atty Jon Schoenhorn is responsible along with Audrey Felson or is it Felsen? I never recall....

Now MT and the Troconis Crew will have to live with the defence choices made and spend years on appeal and MT will be a resident of CT Prisons for many years to come.

MOO

People who choose to live in a bubble undisturbed by facts, judgments, and opinions which challenge their own beliefs tend to be vulnerable to surprises when people other than themselves are weighing in. I thought it laughable that JS kept bringing up "bias" but failed to consider his own or that of MT's family.

This was an "evidence driven" investigation and prosecution, with many individuals and agencies involved, subjecting findings to evaluation and testing. Much less prone to bias than a family of individuals who reinforced what each wanted to believe about their precious "Michi," and their attorney who (unlike Andrew Bowman) jumped into their bubble and broadcast those beliefs against all evidence to the contrary.

 

[shotgun09]

As I understood it she will have 2.

Move over, Petu...

 

[afitzy]

Bbm, is the sealed report now available? I know MT and FD had it, which is odd. Jmo

FD had stolen it or had been given a copy by imo either/both: GAL Michael Meehan or Atty Michael Rose.

Judge Heller in Family Court was outraged by what happened and did a full scale investigation of how her order on how the Report was to be viewed and safeguarded was violated by FD, GAL Michael Meehan and Atty Michael Rose. The results of this investigation were also sealed so we don't know what was discovered but it seemed that FD had the report. Judge Heller quietly 'excused' Atty Micheal Rose for his role in both the Herman report leak as well as knowingly submitting the false financial statements of FD.

IMO Judge Heller should have sanctioned and censured Atty Michael Rose and reported him to the CT Bar but so far as I can tell this sadly never happened and so we have to see him do 'victory lap' appearances on local TV during the MT trial which I believe is shameful and wrong as imo nothing he is saying bears any resemblance to reality in Family Court at the time of JF murder by FD, MT and KM.

So, to answer your question, no the report isn't available now or ever as its sealed but at least one copy existed and was seized by CSP. Judge White imo made huge error early in the MT proceedings pre trial in not removing the report from CSP who had seized it from 4JX. Judge White gave a copy of the report to Jon Schoenhorn (he filed a Motion to say he was 'entitled to it as CSP had a copy iirc) who then proceeded to speak about the report in the Media and online as well as throughout the MT trial (ditto for the other attorney whose name I don't recall) with no respect imo to the victims in this case and ALSO imo in contravention of the security rules imposed on the Report by Judge Heller in Family Court.

I believe BOTH Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson or Felsin or Felsen (don't recall...) should be subject to investigation by the State for how they handled the Herman Report and if their handling was in line with guidelines established for handling of the report by Judge Herman. Will this happen? IMO doubtful as Judge R imo had the obligation to safeguard the report and didn't imo and he seemed to rely on attorneys behaving in a manner that was consistent with Judge Hellers original order on the report which also imo clearly didn't happen.

Frankly I don't think the issues surrounding the report will ever be solved except by Civil Litigation from the Victims Family as Judge Heller never intervened to protect the document that was sealed by HER in Family Court and so far as we have seen the State has done nothing and the Victims Advocate in Stamford appears to be a GHOST imo.

I also have to say that I've been trying to track down the so called VICTIMS Advocate who apparently is supposed to exist at each CT Courthouse. I'm not sure if this person exists or has done ANYTHING on this particular case but IMO they should be ALL OVER THE ISSUE OF THE HERMAN REPORT. If anyone knows anything about this person and how to contact them please post back as I do think they should be made aware of what we all have witnessed now for over month regarding this Herman Report in Court as well as the upcoming MT Contempt Hearing as I think this Victims Advocate should attend the MT Contempt Hearing.

Somehow it seems MT digitised the Herman Report or part of it. We have no idea how this happened? My strong suspicion is that she got it from one of her attorneys in this case or digitised the FD copy long ago and it most likely was shared within her family as they all have been talking about it now for years.

Sad to see absolute disrespect for JF the Victim and her 5 children. Judge R could have done something, Judge White could have done something, Jetty Pattis could have returned the report to Judge Heller but didn't, Atty Bowman could have returned the report to Judge Heller but didn't, Jon Shoenhorn and Audrey Felson?Felsin/Felsen etc. all could have done something to safeguard the discredited report but imo none of these people did anything.

I hope the Victims Advocate intervenes but I even doubt whether they know anything about the situation. I also don't know if Atty Manning or McGuiness or their reporting hierarchy care much about the Report either but perhaps they might choose to do something?

IDK and it makes me angry as this all could have been avoided and we have a situation where a victim is not present to advocate on their own behalf.

MOO

 

[lucegirl]

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ct-supreme-court/1879083.html

There is NO right to bail in between conviction and sentencing.

Clearly this isn’t stopping defense-sided commentary from spouting off otherwise.

That the Judge granted bail is not the same as saying she had a right to bail.

 

[afitzy]

Why would Horn be given a copy of the report if it had been sealed by a judge? I’ve never understood that.

CSP had a copy so Horn filed a motion to 'demand' a copy as CSP had copy. This was done by Judge White years ago (error imo as he should have simply removed it in its entirety and returned it to Judge Heller).

The report imo was not handled by Jon Schoenhorn in a manner consistent with Judge Hellers Family Court guidelines (I wrote a post with this information long ago so its here somewhere on WS) and I believe he was absolutely negligent in his handling of the report and I don't know why he was never held responsible by Judge Heller or the State?

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Well, she should have thought of that before helping Futos slaughter Jennifer. Then LE tried to help her out. But she’s a psychopath. <modsnip - off limits>

LE did try to help her out.

They knew she had a lawyer, a very violent abusive bf, who was one of two co-conspiring men who managed to make her actions look less bad than they were in comparison. They knew she had information to narrow the search radius for Jennifer, if she didn't (doesn't) know her exact location.

She really was in a position to be treated about as well as possible for a person who participated in murder. Maybe Bowman would have negotiated her to not even facing that charge, and she could have been out on good time already.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ct-supreme-court/1879083.html

There is NO right to bail in between conviction and sentencing.

Clearly this isn’t stopping defense-sided commentary from spouting off otherwise.

That the Judge granted bail is not the same as saying she had a right to bail.

Thank you.
Amen to this issue being resolved.
Hiral case was another horrific murder and iirc some issues associated with it were heard or sent to SCOTUS.
MOO

 

[Silverstorm]

@afitzy I dont know if this is helpful or not, but I came across this on the Stamford Superior Court site

 

[Eli9]

LE did try to help her out.

They knew she had a lawyer, a very violent abusive bf, who was one of two co-conspiring men who managed to make her actions look less bad than they were in comparison. They knew she had information to narrow the search radius for Jennifer, if she didn't (doesn't) know her exact location.

She really was in a position to be treated about as well as possible for a person who participated in murder. Maybe Bowman would have negotiated her to not even facing that charge, and she could have been out on good time already.

MOO

I'd love to hear Bowman's response to the trial and verdict. MOO

 

[lucegirl]

A judge can summarily, or on the spot, declare a person in contempt of court is they are disruptive or disrespectful.

In calling for a contempt of court hearing - the judge in effect had the State charge MT with contempt of court. So it will be a mini trial before a judge, not a jury; State has the burden of proof; defendant entitled to a defense; defendant does not have to testify; rules of evidence apply.

 

[waldojabba]

Did anyone else hear what MT said to someone sitting in the area behind here was she was leaving the court room?

I think she asked the Marshall’s if she could say goodbye to her family. They told her no.
JMO.

 

[waldojabba]

I'd love to hear Bowman's response to the trial and verdict. MOO

It would be interesting to know his thoughts but my bet is he will take the high road and classy route and not chime in just now.
I do not think we will hear from him Unless Shoe tries to actively go after him and engage him in trying to appeal MT’s case. And then perhaps only in legal filings. I think he is thankful he off loaded her and the rest of the baggage that came with that entire case.
JMO.

 

[Eli9]

A judge can summarily, or on the spot, declare a person in contempt of court is they are disruptive or disrespectful.

In calling for a contempt of court hearing - the judge in effect had the State charge MT with contempt of court. So it will be a mini trial before a judge, not a jury; State has the burden of proof; defendant entitled to a defense; defendant does not have to testify; rules of evidence apply.

Thank you for that explanation. Makes it very clear.
If anyone attends this hearing please report back!

 

[Megnut]

On the MT Contempt hearing that will be happening soon. Wonder if anyone plans to attend as I'm not sure it will be streamed?

Also, for any that have eagle eyes or were perhaps in the Courtroom on the day MT displayed the discredited report in 48 pt. font on her computer, I have a simple question.

Many have speculated that the MT screen was tilted directly towards the gallery behind her. @Morgan10028 has posted wonderful pictures of the Courtroom and we know that the Troconis Crew were the ones mainly in this section by all accounts.

But, I've heard also that other folks such as Shannon Miller of NBC CT and other 'supporters' were seated in this defence section as well. What other members of the Press were seated in the Defence section? Do we know?

My question is that the speculation has been that MT was slanting her screen with the large font so that it could be read by someone in the Gallery behind her. Most likely imo it wasn't her family as she no doubt shared the information with her family long ago. Speculation has been rife that the purpose of MT doing what she did with her computer was to share the information on her screen with a member of the Media.

Who could this have been that MT was seeking to connect with that day in Court? We have heard reports of Producers from the various news shows in Court but I wonder if this possibly could have been who MT was targeting? Or, was the purpose of what she was doing was simply to torment the Friends and Family of JF?

Any ideas as I'm trying to understand what kind of testimony will be made in the hearing as it appears that the State undertook an investigation of the matter. I also don't know if MT will be required to testify and would she simply be able to plead the 5th to any questions on the stand? Curious about the processes of the hearing @lucegirl ?

MOO

To the first part, I signed her up for janitorial detail.

To the second, I say absolutely she was making it available to the media. Who would have referenced it next day, from "unnamed sources close to the investigation". I'll give you one guess for which member of the media pool. I'll throw out the word 'journalist' in the loosest sense.

JMO

 

[JudyBolton]

I went back and listened to the exact words of JS after the prosecutor requested her bail be revoked.

He stated: "As far as I know, Connecticut does not have a no-bond rule until sentences and appeal so that would not even be within the purview of the court..."

I suppose the "as far as I know" was his attachment to the lie - that surely this seasoned judge would know without research.

 

[JudyBolton]

I think she asked the Marshall’s if she could say goodbye to her family. They told her no.
JMO.

Somewhere I read that she shouted something in Spanish to her family.

 

[Ruminations]

I can offer some insight to some of the issues being brought up recently. I’ve hesitated because I do not want anyone to think I myself have been incarcerated ever. I haven’t and never plan to.
About 13 years ago my son and his girlfriend committed a crime. They were using opioids heavily at the time and thought they could bring it to trial and win. They had public defenders. Took the jury 45 minutes to come back with their guilty verdict. Their sentences included a 5 year mandatory minimum.
So started my introduction to CTs prison system and our family/juvenile court system where we spent the next 2+ years fighting to keep custody of our grandchild from the other grandparents. To say they are in some ways similar to MTs family would be truthful.
Thankfully we were able to continue to raise our grandchild. Fast forward to present - they did their time and continued to be sober for almost 5 years until they weren’t. We now also have custody of their 3yr old twins and they are still struggling with their addiction. Their mother was incarcerated again last summer. Hence my continued familiarity with York/Niantic.

So I can offer some insight into various things as long as you all don’t look at me like I have first hand knowledge.

I am so sorry you went through/are going through this. Funny my hypothetical involved opioids. It is a tragic epidemic.

I am not sure the value in incarceration for holding/using the stuff personally, although personal supply vs. petty distribution weight can be a hard line to draw. (And there is nothing petty about the distribution that kills your loved one!)

I really appreciate the insight you have about incarceration and/or family court.

MOO

 

[pernickety]

Schoenhorn intimated that he believed Norm Patti’s also had a copy and perhaps that was how Michelle got hers.

JS mentioned NP in a video that I can no longer find online. Something like, "Norm Pattis had a copy of it. She didn't get it from me" Now the only one I can find doesn't mention NP. Anyone have a link that does so?

 

[pernickety]

The report imo was not handled by Jon Schoenhorn in a manner consistent with Judge Hellers Family Court guidelines (I wrote a post with this information long ago so its here somewhere on WS) and I believe he was absolutely negligent in his handling of the report and I don't know why he was never held responsible by Judge Heller or the State?

As to JS's unsuccessful attempt to get a transcript of the redacted portion of Dr. H's testimony about the report (in the family court) by suing, in his own name, the court reporter, will he try to make this a part of MT's appeal? How could he do that if MT was not a party to that action? Further, the SC's ruling was only that he should have filed a motion in the family court to try to obtain it, and AIR he didn't follow up on that.

 

[waldojabba]

Schoenhorn indicates he is not sure who will be handling MT appeal. My best guess is that it will be a new player. Why that person was not on board and at the trial I guess shows the naïveté of the Troc family. Or they lack of economic resources. They may be all tapped out. Or their default will be Shoe. Judge Randolph ran a tight court so I m not seeing an appeal with any teeth.

“Schoenhorn said there are at least a dozen, if not 20, issues he can already identify as potential complaints he would file with the state Appellate Court, though, he added, "It’s not yet clear if I’m going to do the appeal."
"In my personal view, I believe that what the prosecution did was present a narrative based on inadmissible hearsay and speculation," Schoenhorn said after the verdicts. "And they basically created a scenario or a story in the absence of evidence, but it was enough to convince this jury."

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-verdict-prison-jennifer-dulos-18699002.php