GUILTY CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #69

[afitzy]

Funny you asked…but not surprising … I was going to post in a bit about the pre-sentencing period during which Defense will file countless motions from all directions. There are some lawyers and law firms whose specialty is the post conviction periods up until sentencings. I am not suggesting that there are no post conviction - pre-sentencing issues ever, but the ones that are premised on the false notion that the a criminal’s status is either pre-trial or some other version of not-really-guilty-yet until sentencing are going to fail and could be sanctionable.

There is no limit on what can be filed. Horn is going through the checklist of motions from the Playbook - motions to acquit and new trial, blah blah - I haven’t read any in detail, but I will this evening. I won’t be surprised if he files at least one or 2 motions everyday - probably ones we’ve seen before - e.g. punitive bail. I’m on the lookout for anything that says “pre-trial detainee”. That is verifiably wrong - and you cannot lie in court - orally or in writing, and misrepresenting the law is actionable whether by the Court for Contempt and/or State Bar Rules of Professional Responsibility.

@lucegirl, I read your work of brilliance again here in order to remember that if more motions start flying like SCUD missiles that we are looking for the phrase “pre trial detainee”. Got it.

So I understand my mission on this: MT is NOT such a person even though Horn says she is because we know (horn is in denial) that she was convicted by a jury of her peers of 6 charges at her recent 6+ week trial. Got it. Does this mean that Horn as a grown man of 60+ years is a bit like the toddler holding their breath at the grocery store because they aren’t allowed to have any sugar? Or, is Horns case more serious than a toddler threatening to pass out?

Can you please clarify after “wine o clock” preferably as I think having had a glass might make the process bearable, the statement you made about not lying in Court? This seems like a very high bar. Is this an “always” rule or a “sometimes” rule? Or one of those very scary sounding “red line” rules! Is there room or accommodation made for personal exhaustion, failure or inconvenience to not hit the high bar?

If we have people, say attorneys or witnesses, who consistently don’t reach the high bar then why haven’t we seen any consequences for their inability to comply with the rules of the court?

These issues of truthfulness and lying are confusing me quite a bit based on what we have heard and read from Horn and Mini Horn and I’m not sure I know what these words mean anymore. I thought I did have a solid grasp of these two words but then I rewatched the defense witnesses and I became confused again. I lost any understanding of these two words after listening to the “Murder eve” dinner guests, and then Atty Michael Rose and then who could forget the GAL atty Michael Meehan reading from his notes. And then who could forget Petu who claimed she could have saved MT but didn’t. Dr loftus didn’t seem to remember much at all so I didn’t rewatch her! Other expert was simply confusing so didn’t watch her either as once was enough!

Do you mean that not only can horn and mini horn not lie but all the others we saw testify for the defense can’t lie either? Please tell me this isn’t true as I might have to do a fact check post for Attys Rose and Meehan and that would be painful.

Do you think horn and mini horn might have forgotten the definition of these two words too?

Moo

 

[afitzy]

I hope MT is keeping a log of all her calls.
Petu, Bruja, etc.
Her lawyer told her to.

@sleuth66, do you have any FOIA experience?

 

[Megnut]

@lucegirl, Yes, I’ve fallen into a black hole on that topic. Quite interesting and some good English articles I found today that I will post when I get better Wi-Fi. Given up translating Greek as Google translate in isn’t very helpful. Little in greece is online either which is unfortunate. Trying to figure out what litigation FD might have had in Greece with the govt that took a long time to resolve. Could just be another FD lie or grift to JD in order to spend time in Greece with the bros and hook up with some female whose name is Stavros. Not sure. Many shady characters too per FD usual MO. Current thoughts are real estate or citizenship but need Greek language assistance that I might have secured today. He supposedly did get children Greek passports but perhaps that was a lie too. Idk. Stay tuned. I do wonder with all his legal battles whether FD is Roy Cohn reincarnated? FD rarely seemed to pick the straight line from a to b too which makes this all a bit annoyingly complicated. No wonder he never worked, he simply didn’t have the time!

Moo

Give yourself about twelve days, you should be able to pick up Greek completely.

 

[afitzy]

Give yourself about twelve days, you should be able to pick up Greek completely.

Nope. Bridge way too far. But, I did learn the alphabet and that was fun!

 

[Megnut]

Inmate phone calls are recorded. Each call begins with an automated recording informing you that you are connecting to “insert name of inmate” who is housed at York Correctional Institution. It goes on to tell you how to block communications with them. Then tells you that the call is being recorded and is subject to monitoring.

This is good.

Once she's allowed to have paper and a pencil, it'll make it so easy for her to keep a timeline. Phone calls. Who she showered with. Don't know about omelets. Maybe beige scrambled eggs. Lukewarm coffee. Lather, rinse, repeat. Day after day after day.

Counting on JudgeRandolph to go maximum on her. She made so, so many mistakes -- critical errors in ̶j̶u̶d̶g̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ choice. And so many opportunities to do the next right thing, any right thing, and she chose not to. She surrendered her freedom.

She brought this on herself. She stole decades of Jennifer's life and should remain locked up for as many as she has taken. GF is going strong at 88, Jennifer might have coasted past 100 herself, still lovely and full of light.

Inmate #433612 made her bed and did nothing but LIE in it.

Give her all 50, Judge. She never wept for anyone but herself.

 

[afitzy]

This is good.

Once she's allowed to have paper and a pencil, it'll make it so easy for her to keep a timeline. Phone calls. Who she showered with. Don't know about omelets. Maybe beige scrambled eggs. Lukewarm coffee. Lather, rinse, repeat. Day after day after day.

Counting on JudgeRandolph to go maximum on her. She made so, so many mistakes -- critical errors in ̶j̶u̶d̶g̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ choice. And so many opportunities to do the next right thing, any right thing, and she chose not to. She surrendered her freedom.

She brought this on herself. She stole decades of Jennifer's life and should remain locked up for as many as she has taken. GF is going strong at 88, Jennifer might have coasted past 100 herself, still lovely and full of light.

Inmate #433612 made her bed and did nothing but LIE in it.

Give her all 50, Judge. She never wept for anyone but herself.

Looks like Mama Troconis will have to find a new Airbnb or apt closer to Niantic.

With the stat we saw that on avg inmates in CT serve 44% of their sentences that even with a 50 year sentence that MT might only serve 22 years for her role in the murder of JF.

Not sure how I’m feeling about this?

No bueno.

 

[pernickety]

Looks like Mama Troconis will have to find a new Airbnb or apt closer to Niantic.

With the stat we saw that on avg inmates in CT serve 44% of their sentences that even with a 50 year sentence that MT might only serve 22 years for her role in the murder of JF.

Not sure how I’m feeling about this?

No bueno.

https://ctsentencingcommission.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cost-of-Incarceration-Memo-9.27.21.pdf

"Under current Connecticut law, incarcerated individuals are assessed for the cost of their

incarceration, and the state has a claim against these individuals for this cost. This memorandum

examines Connecticut’s cost-of-incarceration statute, compares Connecticut’s law to other states,

and provides recommendations for reform"

How about this one?

 

[afitzy]

https://ctsentencingcommission.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cost-of-Incarceration-Memo-9.27.21.pdf

"Under current Connecticut law, incarcerated individuals are assessed for the cost of their

incarceration, and the state has a claim against these individuals for this cost. This memorandum

examines Connecticut’s cost-of-incarceration statute, compares Connecticut’s law to other states,

and provides recommendations for reform"

How about this one?

Yes, we tried to calculate this last week I think. Total was in excess of $3 million iirc. That is a lot of pony skin rugs. Moo

Edit: think my assumptions were max sentence for each count served consecutively and no assumption for time served reduction or state credit for indigent person status.

 

[lucegirl]

The answer to the question about grievance No. 2 from the Motion for New Trial is in Thread 68 - #985. I couldn’t figure out how to copy it here since it’s a closed thread.

 

[Megnut]

The answer to the question about grievance No. 2 from the Motion for New Trial is in Thread 68 - #985. I couldn’t figure out how to copy it here since it’s a closed thread.

GUILTY - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

Press catching up on the MT "Screengate" Contempt episode: https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-jennifer-dulos-contempt-of-court-18707575.php Quotes from article: Interesting detail as this is first 'press' reference to role of Mama Troconis in the episode: "At the...

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[afitzy]

The answer to the question about grievance No. 2 from the Motion for New Trial is in Thread 68 - #985. I couldn’t figure out how to copy it here since it’s a closed thread.

GUILTY - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

Press catching up on the MT "Screengate" Contempt episode: https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-jennifer-dulos-contempt-of-court-18707575.php Quotes from article: Interesting detail as this is first 'press' reference to role of Mama Troconis in the episode: "At the...

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[lucegirl]

@lucegirl, I read your work of brilliance again here in order to remember that if more motions start flying like SCUD missiles that we are looking for the phrase “pre trial detainee”. Got it.

So I understand my mission on this: MT is NOT such a person even though Horn says she is because we know (horn is in denial) that she was convicted by a jury of her peers of 6 charges at her recent 6+ week trial. Got it. Does this mean that Horn as a grown man of 60+ years is a bit like the toddler holding their breath at the grocery store because they aren’t allowed to have any sugar? Or, is Horns case more serious than a toddler threatening to pass out?

Can you please clarify after “wine o clock” preferably as I think having had a glass might make the process bearable, the statement you made about not lying in Court? This seems like a very high bar. Is this an “always” rule or a “sometimes” rule? Or one of those very scary sounding “red line” rules! Is there room or accommodation made for personal exhaustion, failure or inconvenience to not hit the high bar?

If we have people, say attorneys or witnesses, who consistently don’t reach the high bar then why haven’t we seen any consequences for their inability to comply with the rules of the court?

These issues of truthfulness and lying are confusing me quite a bit based on what we have heard and read from Horn and Mini Horn and I’m not sure I know what these words mean anymore. I thought I did have a solid grasp of these two words but then I rewatched the defense witnesses and I became confused again. I lost any understanding of these two words after listening to the “Murder eve” dinner guests, and then Atty Michael Rose and then who could forget the GAL atty Michael Meehan reading from his notes. And then who could forget Petu who claimed she could have saved MT but didn’t. Dr loftus didn’t seem to remember much at all so I didn’t rewatch her! Other expert wassimply confusing so didn’t watch her either as once was enough!

Do you mean that not only can horn and mini horn not lie but all the others we saw testify for the defense can’t lie either? Please tell me this isn’t true as I might have to do a fact check post for Attys Rose and Meehan and that would be painful.

Do you think horn and mini horn might have forgotten the definition of these two words too?

Moo

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

Start with this - all states adopt this rule in some shape or form. I think it is pretty clear that you can’t knowingly misstate the law.

 

[afitzy]

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

Start with this - all states adopt this rule in some shape or form. I think it is pretty clear that you can’t knowingly misstate the law.

@lucegirl thanks for this. Is this the link you tried to get back into this thread? But don’t we have the additional issue of stepping over the “misstatement” issue into true “whopperdom”? Moo

GUILTY - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

Press catching up on the MT "Screengate" Contempt episode: https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-jennifer-dulos-contempt-of-court-18707575.php Quotes from article: Interesting detail as this is first 'press' reference to role of Mama Troconis in the episode: "At the...

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What worked to do this was to highlight the post number, copy link and then paste into location where you want it linked. If I didn’t get the correct link then obviously disregard these instructions as they are rubbish.

 

[lucegirl]

@lucegirl thanks for this. Is this the link you tried to get back into this thread? But don’t we have the additional issue of stepping over the “misstatement” issue into true “whopperdom”? Moo

GUILTY - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

Press catching up on the MT "Screengate" Contempt episode: https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-jennifer-dulos-contempt-of-court-18707575.php Quotes from article: Interesting detail as this is first 'press' reference to role of Mama Troconis in the episode: "At the...

www.websleuths.com

What worked to do this was to highlight the post number, copy link and then paste into location where you want it linked. If I didn’t get the correct link then obviously disregard these instructions as they are rubbish.

Yes that worked! I believe @Megnut also linked it and I assumed she had special powers

 

[MollyDDD]

@lucegirl, I read your work of brilliance again here in order to remember that if more motions start flying like SCUD missiles that we are looking for the phrase “pre trial detainee”. Got it.

So I understand my mission on this: MT is NOT such a person even though Horn says she is because we know (horn is in denial) that she was convicted by a jury of her peers of 6 charges at her recent 6+ week trial. Got it. Does this mean that Horn as a grown man of 60+ years is a bit like the toddler holding their breath at the grocery store because they aren’t allowed to have any sugar? Or, is Horns case more serious than a toddler threatening to pass out?

Can you please clarify after “wine o clock” preferably as I think having had a glass might make the process bearable, the statement you made about not lying in Court? This seems like a very high bar. Is this an “always” rule or a “sometimes” rule? Or one of those very scary sounding “red line” rules! Is there room or accommodation made for personal exhaustion, failure or inconvenience to not hit the high bar?

If we have people, say attorneys or witnesses, who consistently don’t reach the high bar then why haven’t we seen any consequences for their inability to comply with the rules of the court?

These issues of truthfulness and lying are confusing me quite a bit based on what we have heard and read from Horn and Mini Horn and I’m not sure I know what these words mean anymore. I thought I did have a solid grasp of these two words but then I rewatched the defense witnesses and I became confused again. I lost any understanding of these two words after listening to the “Murder eve” dinner guests, and then Atty Michael Rose and then who could forget the GAL atty Michael Meehan reading from his notes. And then who could forget Petu who claimed she could have saved MT but didn’t. Dr loftus didn’t seem to remember much at all so I didn’t rewatch her! Other expert was simply confusing so didn’t watch her either as once was enough!

Do you mean that not only can horn and mini horn not lie but all the others we saw testify for the defense can’t lie either? Please tell me this isn’t true as I might have to do a fact check post for Attys Rose and Meehan and that would be painful.

Do you think horn and mini horn might have forgotten the definition of these two words too?

Moo

Can a judge accuse a lead lawyer of contempt of court?

 

[lucegirl]

Can a judge accuse a lead lawyer of contempt of court?

Yes

 

[MollyDDD]

This is good.

Once she's allowed to have paper and a pencil, it'll make it so easy for her to keep a timeline. Phone calls. Who she showered with. Don't know about omelets. Maybe beige scrambled eggs. Lukewarm coffee. Lather, rinse, repeat. Day after day after day.

Counting on JudgeRandolph to go maximum on her. She made so, so many mistakes -- critical errors in ̶j̶u̶d̶g̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ choice. And so many opportunities to do the next right thing, any right thing, and she chose not to. She surrendered her freedom.

She brought this on herself. She stole decades of Jennifer's life and should remain locked up for as many as she has taken. GF is going strong at 88, Jennifer might have coasted past 100 herself, still lovely and full of light.

Inmate #433612 made her bed and did nothing but LIE in it.

Give her all 50, Judge. She never wept for anyone but herself.

 

[Megnut]

Can a judge accuse a lead lawyer of contempt of court?

Can I accuse a lead lawyer of contempt of court?

Oops. Looks like I already did. In the court of my mind.

It seems like there's a line of conduct. What's ethical, what's not ethical.

Rigorous defense vs. unhinged defense.

Over the double yellow line...

 

[lucegirl]

You can’t lie in Court. Contempt of Court is always on the table for anyone.

Additionally:
If you lie as a witness, you can be impeached on cross. This will draw a jury instruction that the witnesses’ testimony may be disregarded.
A lying attorney could be sanctioned or disbarred.
The Judge can take his or her opinion that a defendant is lying on the stand into account at sentencing.
The Judge can also instruct the jury at anytime that they can make a negative inference from anyone lying under oath.

 

[lucegirl]

You guys are killing me with the hypotheticals….