Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #30

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SkylarSid said:
Except the bank and the car wash were days later. I know, after five months it is hard to keep track of these things...
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Even more time for FD to dispose of body.
I’m sorry this is all running together. But he had SO MUCH time to dispose of her, where did he take her?
And all that time makes his time alibis even weaker.
That was the point of my ramblings. NP said we have his time accounted for on Friday. I tried to account for it. He’s worse off than I even imagined!?!?!?
Ok. I’ll start over.
Wednesday we had supervised visitation. Good day to scope out security.
Thursday adult only party. Purse alibi set up.
Friday FD leaves at the crack of dawn. Like usual.
Friday MT may or may not make a drop off at school. From there, we don’t know what’s going on with her for sure.
So, I’m back to FD walking through poison ivy back way between 7-8 am. JD drives back from dropping off her children. Pulls into garage.
8:05-8:35 maybe, FD allegedly murders JD. Bloody mess. He’s in charge of clean up.
Between 8-8:45 ish MT left her house, maybe dropped of daughter at school, Maybe didn’t drop off daughter, drives to work site, swapped her car for EE truck, went to W. Park to wait for FD.
8:45 -9:00 FD drives to W. Park in Suburban with body. Move body from Suburban to EE truck. MT in EE truck, too. They drive back to work site. Drop off MT and she drives her vehicle somewhere. EE vehicle with FD driving and JFD body drive somewhere. Both vehicles away from worksite. 9:30 ish, EE arrives at job site. No one there.
OK. FD with or without MT has all morning open to dispose of body.
Am I back on track?
That’s what I was trying to establish. Thank goodness all of you have the rest in order. He had help. And I can see how MT fit into the accomplice role. I do not believe lawyer ever met with FD that am. Although the alibi breakfast meeting was laid out in exchange with lawyer for taking care of soon to be x wife of lawyer.
So FD and/or without MT take morning to dispose of body. And some bloody evidence. Rest of bloody evidence left for Albany Avenue run.
Have I got this now?
I sure hope so!!!!
I’m trying to get to the answer!
 
CTGrammy said:
AW2 states:

At 10:25 AM residential surveillance on Welles Lane shows Jennifer's 2017 Chevrolet Suburban traveling westbound away from the 69 Welles Lane. Dulos is believed to be operating the victim's vehicle which IS carrying the Body of Jennifer Dulos and a number of other items associated with the clean-up which occurred in the garage of the residence. Cellular data obtained From Jennifer's cellphone is consistent with the phone moving from Welles Lane to Lapham Road during this time.

This AW2 statement tells us that JF's Suburban traveled Straight to Lapham Road and Waveny Park from 69WL at 10:25 am according to her cellphone. Notice, that this says from the Cellphone. Not the cellphone records.

So Yes, we do know where the murder occurred and when Jennifer's Suburban arrived at Lapham and we even know that LE has JF’s cellphone.

LE says JF's Suburban IS carrying her Body when it left 69WL, which denotes that there Must be evidence for LE to conclude that the Body IS in her Suburban at 10:25 am and denotes that the murder occurred At 69WL.

Then we also know that JF's cellphone travels Straight to Lapham Road and Waveny Park upon leaving 69WL at 10:25 am.

Also, we need to keep in mind that AW2 shows that EE's red truck left NC and caught on CCTV at the NC Rest Area on the Merritt at 11:12 am and then again on CCTV several times, all the way back to 80MS. Once FD was on the Merritt at 11:12 am, there was no detour And no possibility of a detour until further up on I 84 due to CCTV tracking EE’s truck all along the way.

IMO.
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Maybe I am missing something because I don't see where the AW states anywhere that the phone/Suburban went straight to WP. Except for 10:25, I'm not seeing any time frame stated, nor a specific route. It's very vague. Later on, we may find out that the Suburban went to WP directly but that isn't verified by the AW. IMO.
 
Midwestmom2019 said:
Between 8-8:45 ish MT left her house, maybe dropped of daughter at school, Maybe didn’t drop off daughter, drives to work site, swapped her car for EE truck, went to W. Park to wait for FD.
8:45 -9:00 FD drives to W. Park in Suburban with body. Move body from Suburban to EE truck. MT in EE truck, too. They drive back to work site. Drop off MT and she drives her vehicle somewhere. EE vehicle with FD driving and JFD body drive somewhere. Both vehicles away from worksite. 9:30 ish, EE arrives at job site. No one there.
I’m trying to get to the answer!
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RSBM:
Toyota arrived at WP a little after 7:05. Then FD cut through the woods to the back of WL. Sturbridge is 3 miles from WL. Not close like WP. Busier roads according to a local. Suburban didn't leave WL until 10:25. Your timeline is off because you are thinking that FD got to WP with JD at 8:45-9:00 when it was really much later. 10:25. If I'm interpreting your posts correctly.
 
Seattle1 said:
Dave Altimari‏ @davealtimari
Norm Pattis has filed his brief seeking to have judge's gag order revoked compared his client Fotis Dulos to Dr. Sam Sheppard of Fugitive fame, Jack Ruby and the Lindbergs.
Attorney for Fotis Dulos files Supreme Court brief arguing gag order violates his right to defend himself

1:01 PM - 28 Oct 2019
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Think we might just have another 4/20 motion on our hands with this latest 'gem' from Atty. P. I truly wonder if FD understands the substance of this latest thinly veiled PR motivated motion from Atty. P. as YET AGAIN its all about Atty. P. and the 1st and 6th Amendments, ALL THE TIME? Is FD paying for this verbose and highly redundant motion from Atty. P. which has a tenuous connection at best IMO to the current charges pending against FD?

YIKES and Yawn!

Is Atty. P. filing these motions to set the stage for the eventual FD suit for malpractice or some other nefarious legal maneuver or reason? IDK.

Seems like the latest and painfully longer motion is simply a rehash of what has already been seen on this sorry topic, expect that Atty. P. couldn't stay within the 40 page motion guideline (no surprise here at all - note to Atty. P. if you removed your redundant text and references you could have saved at least 6 pages, I did a rough estimate!).

Why does the CT Judiciary want to entertain a motion that simply seems like a 4 yo. in full meltdown about being told in class that there are rules that need to be followed and you cannot talk during periods when the teacher says you cannot speak? Not too hard to understand and there are very good reasons for the rules too, but clearly Atty. P. is challenged to do so. My guess is that when we look back and see when the most damage was inflicted on FD rights, it was during the period when Atty. P. was active in the press. IMO Judge Blawie via the 'gag order' is attempting to save Atty. P. from himself and working hard to preserve FD's right to a fair and impartial trial, so I do disagree with Atty. P.

I do think Atty. P. might want to up his film reference game as the Sheppard reference was truly an abberation/outlier in the opinion of many DV experts on the stats surrounding husbands that choose to murder their wives. I would strongly suggest contacting the CCADV (link for easy reference: CCADV :: Home) to get some real stats rather than a film reference from the 1980s. But perhaps Atty. P. believes DV is a 'fictional issue' which is why he chose a film reference. IDK. But I realise Atty. P. has little use for DV stats and so the film reference is right up his alley - why let facts and reality stand in the way of any argument!

The ongoing attacks by Atty. P. of Judge Blawie are another ongoing theme with these motions from Pattisville IMO that are disturbing. I do wonder how this 'Attack the Judge' tactic will serve the client/FD in the long run or yet again is this being done for some nefarious reason as yet another basis for appeal?

It usually is a 'red flag' when defence attorneys seem to spend more time not doing their jobs than doing their job. Which leads me to wonder does Atty. P. have any defence established for FD and his ride down Albany Avenue in the Raptor discarding items with the fresh blood of JF on them? My guess is NOT. And so, we get instead gag order appeals and smoke and mirrors and endless servings of useless word salad from Pattisville.

I need a nap as this is already getting old....

Full document posted by Marissa Alter: Marissa Alter
 
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Maybe the Tacoma needed to get back to 4JC because of the unexpected delay at Welles.... had to get back so FD's phone could move around. I firmly believe that FD thought he'd be done quickly and back home. Hence, perhaps a change of plans. Send the Tacoma to get his phone, take the Suburban on the dastardly task.

I think he was picked up later, at Sturbridge. My thoughts only.
 
40 pages of word-salad from Pattis! :eek:
I wish he would quit law and just write. It's clearly his passion, even if he's awful at it. MOO, of course

Love all these detailed timelines being posted! I think it was mentioned on the news somewhere early on in this case that the crime seemed planned, but badly... (don't remember who to credit, sorry) And with all this timeline talk, I'm wondering if anyone has any theories on when during the course of that Friday FD started to realize that his plan was unraveling. Or... Do most people here think that he stayed arrogant and didn't realize his mistakes until later, maybe as late as 5/31 when he probably heard reports of the searches on Albany Ave?
 
Nanobody said:
40 pages of word-salad from Pattis! :eek:
I wish he would quit law and just write. It's clearly his passion, even if he's awful at it. MOO, of course

Love all these detailed timelines being posted! I think it was mentioned on the news somewhere early on in this case that the crime seemed planned, but badly... (don't remember who to credit, sorry) And with all this timeline talk, I'm wondering if anyone has any theories on when during the course of that Friday FD started to realize that his plan was unraveling. Or... Do most people here think that he stayed arrogant and didn't realize his mistakes until later, maybe as late as 5/31 when he probably heard reports of the searches on Albany Ave?
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Good question!

My bet is that when he was called to NCPD it hit hard that all was not right and the moment his phone left his hand and was held by the officer was the moment the lightbulb went off that things would never be the same again!

This fact was no doubt hammered home when the 5 or 6 black State Police Vehicles showed up at 4Jx to escort him to Litchfield for DNA testing.

I do wonder what the convo in the SUV between FD and MT might have been on the way to Litchfield?

MT: Mi amor, are we [REDACTED]? Well, don't worry Mama will [REDACTED] take care of everything.

FD: No, mi amor, we are WINNING as the people in LE are [REDACTED] idiots but Mama will make sure we win by a [REDACTED] landslide!

MOO

MOO
 
Megnut said:
Maybe the Tacoma needed to get back to 4JC because of the unexpected delay at Welles.... had to get back so FD's phone could move around. I firmly believe that FD thought he'd be done quickly and back home. Hence, perhaps a change of plans. Send the Tacoma to get his phone, take the Suburban on the dastardly task.

I think he was picked up later, at Sturbridge. My thoughts only.
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There would only be a 1hr window between 3:30 when EE left Sturbridge and 4:30 when EE got to 4JC. Then found both MT and FD at MS cleaning. It is 1hr drive from Sturbridge to MS. I really don't see FD driving around for 5 hours in the Suburban or hanging out in New Canaan until getting picked up at Sturbridge. I don't think he wanted to be seen in NC at all that day. I think he did what he had to do and got out of Dodge. JMO. In any case, the surveillance cameras will show the movement of the vehicles. JMO.
ETA: FD/MT as well as EE would essentially be traveling back to Farmington at exactly the same time for the 1 hour window to work.
 
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CTGrammy said:
In Addition, LE has JF’s Suburban going Straight to Waveny, because her Cell Phone was pinging Straight to Waveny from 69WL after the Suburban was seen on the neighbor's video surveillance leaving 69WL at 10:25 am that morning.

So, any detour, took place During the Unaccounted for time After the arrival at Waveny Park and Before EE's red truck is caught by the CCTV on the Merritt.

It takes about 8 minutes to travel from 69WL to the spot on Lapham at Waveney Park. That puts the time at 10:33 am. Then EE's red truck is pictured on CCTV on the Merritt at 11:12 am, which takes 4 minutes to travel from Lapham at Waveney Park.

This cuts FD's 'Available' time to 39 minutes in which he must dispose of JD's phone, transfer everything to EE's red truck, and take steps to 'clean' JF's Suburban from any blood, debris, finger prints, and all the while, trying Not to be seen, etc. This would take 10 minutes at minimum, and that puts the 'Available' time for a detour to 29 minutes and still make it to the New Canaan Rest Area on the Merritt by 11:12 am.

So. What did FD do during the 29 'Available' minutes? IMO, more time was spent at Waveny Park, which would then lower the 'Available' time even more. IMO, FD had to spend extra time on the transfer. I would think that he would wait for any vehicle on Lapham to pass before transferring JF, so as not to draw attention. Lapham can be busy at times and this would seem logical to me. IMO, JF's cell phone went pinging Into the park and this is denoted by the detailed search performed in Waveny, especially the lake and it's surroundings.

IMO, FD wanted to get out of NC as Quickly as possible and not take the chance of anyone identifying him or getting caught on CCTV or home surveillance systems, in NC that day. Waveny Park/Lapham road is immediately off the Merritt and very close to 69WL and therefore his chosen location.

IMO. I do not think FD took a detour in NC that day, but If he did, he only had 29 'Available' minutes.

IMO.
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OK, CTGrammy. Let’s go with your numbers. He had 33 mins. max. Or 29 available minutes. I’m on board.
In those 29 minutes one of two things happened. FD disposed of body, along with clean up, getting hairs out, waiting for traffic to pass...
OR he gave someone else the body to dispose of while he finished up transfer, cleanup etc.
SO: she’s hidden somewhere within 29 minutes. Or someone took her elsewhere.
Sad to say, he passed her on to another. If she was within 29 minutes, LE would have already found her.
Am I following your logic to the correct conclusion?
 
Im a little confused in the arrest warrant 2. Page 22 says EE figured FD went waterskiing when FD was not at 4JC at 4:30 on 5/24 so he went inside to look for his keys. But the truck was at 80MS road, so if his truck was not in the driveway at 4JC why would he look for his keys inside? And if he thought FD was waterskiing why would he go back to 80MS?

Not blaming EE at all but that was a little confusing to me. Most likely small details which i am looking too hard at and maybe just were omitted to keep the AW brief.

Edit: Answering my own questions i think: FD had access from 5/20 (AW warrant states he parked it at JC then) if EE had used the raptor 24/7 ,which is likely the case, and EE just assumed it was parked at MS if it was not at JC?! MOO
 
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CTGrammy said:
AW2 states:

At 10:25 AM residential surveillance on Welles Lane shows Jennifer's 2017 Chevrolet Suburban traveling westbound away from the 69 Welles Lane. Dulos is believed to be operating the victim's vehicle which IS carrying the Body of Jennifer Dulos and a number of other items associated with the clean-up which occurred in the garage of the residence. Cellular data obtained From Jennifer's cellphone is consistent with the phone moving from Welles Lane to Lapham Road during this time.

This AW2 statement tells us that JF's Suburban traveled Straight to Lapham Road and Waveny Park from 69WL at 10:25 am according to her cellphone. Notice, that this says from the Cellphone. Not the cellphone records.

So Yes, we do know where the murder occurred and when Jennifer's Suburban arrived at Lapham and we even know that LE has JF’s cellphone.

LE says JF's Suburban IS carrying her Body when it left 69WL, which denotes that there Must be evidence for LE to conclude that the Body IS in her Suburban at 10:25 am and denotes that the murder occurred At 69WL.

Then we also know that JF's cellphone travels Straight to Lapham Road and Waveny Park upon leaving 69WL at 10:25 am.

Also, we need to keep in mind that AW2 shows that EE's red truck left NC and caught on CCTV at the NC Rest Area on the Merritt at 11:12 am and then again on CCTV several times, all the way back to 80MS. Once FD was on the Merritt at 11:12 am, there was no detour And no possibility of a detour until further up on I 84 due to CCTV tracking EE’s truck all along the way.

IMO.
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thank you CTGrammy! No doubt in my mind that is was someone else...just FD and MT
 
BellaVita said:
There would only be a 1hr window between 3:30 when EE left Sturbridge and 4:30 when EE got to 4JC. Then found both MT and FD at MS cleaning. It is 1hr drive from Sturbridge to MS. I really don't see FD driving around for 5 hours in the Suburban or hanging out in New Canaan until getting picked up at Sturbridge. I don't think he wanted to be seen in NC at all that day. I think he did what he had to do and got out of Dodge. JMO. In any case, the surveillance cameras will show the movement of the vehicles. JMO.
ETA: FD/MT as well as EE would essentially be traveling back to Farmington at exactly the same time for the 1 hour window to work.
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I also don’t believe for 1 Nanosecond that MT and FD were casually eating lunch at home that day.

MT’s Lie # 235

So, where were they?

Moo
 
Outforjustice said:
I also don’t believe for 1 Nanosecond that MT and FD were casually eating lunch at home that day.

MT’s Lie # 235

So, where were they?

Moo
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According to AW, Tacoma went right from NC to MS, arriving 12:22. Has not been revealed yet what vehicle movement happened after that between MS and 4JC. Maybe FD did go briefly to 4JC. I think it's more likely FD stayed at MS and waited for MT to bring the garbage bags, which she does admit to in the warrant.
 

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afitzy said:
3. Thursday evening FD and MT hosted a party, cocktails or dinner at their home. Adults only. Children not invited. Any residence children were IMHO either sent to sitter or to a prearranged sleep over.

RE 3: Unfortunately LE didn't publish the entire 'alibi scripts' document to confirm what is on/off the list.

This Thur evening 'party' always sounded a bit "off" to me as its an odd night to have a party for folks that have children IMO during the week IMO. Its possible that FD/MT did stage a 'party' of some sort to set up MT 'alibi' for the 24th 'return the purse' episode, but its hard to tell whether that is true or false at this point.

It seems that Atty. P. spouted the 'alibi scripts' for nearly 2 months too so IMO the FD info about: call from Greece and Atty am call (believed to be KM but this is unconfirmed by LE) I think are probably 'at best' listed as 'unconfirmed'.

Location of MT daughter on 23rd/24th is unknown at present. A prearranged sleepover IMO would provide support for premeditation of MT IMO.
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SBM. Good points. That Thursday night would be all the odder to have a party, because it was the weekend before a Monday holiday - where most work on Friday, and get Monday off. In fact, most working people HAVE to work that Friday (in order to be paid for the Monday holiday) and the kids still went to school that Friday. They have the rest of the weekend to party.

As Afitzy said above, definitely sounds more like an excuse for a sleepover to get the daughter out of the house, which, as she says, would provide support for premeditation of the part of MT.
 
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