Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #48

[MollyDDD]

Court date on Fd case on Tuesday - here is short interview with Atty Colangelo:
Questions Over Future of Case Against Fotis Dulos


The interview confirmed that Atty Colangelo met with Fd sister to answer questions about the case. I do wonder what might have been shared and whether it had any impact on the views presented in the HC by the 'Greek Family'? I don't think I will ever forget how the 'Greek Family' chose to disrespect JFd by not disclosing her entire name as spouse on the Fd death certificate. What a crew IMO.....

MOO

I agree, that was pretty heartless, and seemingly deliberate on their part. Lest they forget, Jennifer was their orphaned nieces and nephews, Mother.

 

[pernickety]

@Tink56, @pernickety and @CTGrammy, didn't we have the issue with the search where a member of the defense had to be present in order to protect 'defense work product' prior to LE executing the search. I don't recall the term used to describe this process, but if I recall there was a delay where we saw CSP and FPD sitting outside 4Jx waiting to gain access while all this was negotiated and resolved. People were very frustrated at the delay and it involved much overtime from LE as they had to wait and secure the scene in the meantime.

I still don't understand how the Fd suicide note (its never been verified by LE so far as I know) was obtained by Pattisville and released to the public. I think we had speculated that Fd send a picture of it to Atty. P. but 'ole Atty. P. was quite cagey IMO as to how he got the actual note (if that is in fact what he had and not a digital copy). Per usual IMO the level of shade from Atty. P. during this period was high and it was hard to understand much of what he said in terms of his explanations as to where the note came from.

I do hope that Atty LaTronica didn't access the scene and take the note or take anything else in advance of LE taking photographs. It was strange to see the note and car suicide scene described in depth by Atty. P. even though the gag order was in place while zero about the scene was confirmed by LE so far.

The inability or unwillingness of Judge Blawie to defend what I believe to be his well crafted 'gag order' to me is one of the judicial mysteries of this case. I do wonder if the decision calculus was to simply wait for the CT SC to rule so as to preclude ongoing appeals and such legal nonsense IMO moves by Atty. P. on matters relating to the 'gag order'. But I also very much wonder about Judge Blawie seeming unwilling also to require Atty. P. to behave with basic decorum in his courtroom too and so I am curious whether there is a history between these 2 individuals as I'm not sure very many Judges would allow the Atty. P. behaviour in Court that IMO was permitted by Judge Blawie? Its been disappointing to watch Judge Blawie IMO and I do wonder if he was acting under orders from a higher authority or if that is simply the way he manages his courtroom?

In many respects it was the entrance of Judge White that shifted my perspective a bit on how the case was being treated in Court and I very much think the Judge White imposition of 'order' or at least something close to 'order' certainly impacted Atty. P. and most definitely impacted Fd. I think very much that the Fd exposure to Judge White was the first time he had ever had consequences imposed on him ever by the CT Court system; even if the idea of '3 strikes and you are out' when breaking the law that was discussed by Judge White for infractions of the bracelet seem to be sheer lunacy IMO when you are talking about a person charged with capital murder and out on $6 million bond.

MOO

I don’t recall seeing anything about that—P&S asserting “attorney work-product” privilege. Wonder if they provided a privilege log of what LE couldn’t take? Will that be a public record?

Re FD’s suicide note—I’m not v. tech savvy, but clicking the page info on the online image says it’s a jpg, which means a photo, and if LE provided a copy to NP, wouldn’t they have scanned it and it would show as a PDF? Whether FD sent NP a photo of it before the act—or LE let NP or LaT or KS take a photo of it later (do the wrinkles in it tell us anything?)—I’m just guessing. (IMO that wouldn’t be attorney work product.)

Whatever the outcome of Tues’s hearing, will Judge Blawie comply with the Code of Judicial Conduct in dealing with attorney misconduct in his court by referring NP to the Bar or Chief Disciplinary Counsel for NP’s violating the court’s gag order by colluding with FD in giving the interview to Greek media (after gag order imposed)? (And other possible violations of the G.O.) Will NP’s possible contempt of court just be swept under the rug again by the Judicial Branch? If it’s referred to the Bar, will the SGC decide again that NP was merely “sloppy”, as its 3-member review committee decided in the matter (including possible criminal acts) referred to CDC by the judge in the Sandy Hook parents v. Alex Jones case? (We still await the CT SC’s ruling on Judge Bellis’ sanctions of Jones.) Will it overturn the lower court’s ruling and save the day for NP and Jones? moo

 

[Wicked Strong]

On the video, when talking about the suicide note Pattis could explain the Albany Ave trash run, NP said what you hear MAY change what you think about the case. He also said show us the evidence so we can do dispute it. In my mind, that says we don't have any answers, but we can make something up that casts doubt?

MOO

 

[sunshinegirl2013]

Make a charity, lets call it “make me rich”. Anyone can donate. They hand dirty money to normal people to donate to the charity. Now charity has money that is considered clean to spend on goal.
This is why they are looked at a lot for fraud
don’t get me wrong I’m not saying for sure she’s laundering money. But something definitely fishy going on between MT and the horse fam since they are adamant to protect MT and spread her “innocence” everywhere. Also, have interviewed several people who have past experiences with this crazy horse lady And husband and none of them have anything good to say about them. I respect you for supporting animal nonprofits so please don’t be taking this personally. Thanks

Thank you for the explanation (& appreciate your disclaimer about not taking it personally ). Like I said, at least on the surface, she appears reputable.
Fyi, the animal rescue world is populated by many wonderful & courageous people who work tirelessly under the worst of circumstances to help homeless, endangered animals. That being said, however, there's also often drama, competition & jealousy (at least in dog rescue & I've heard horse rescue is worse if that's even possible). And it's common to hear rescuers called "crazy" in an attempt to discredit them by either other rescuers (usually with competing interests/agenda's) or those who vehemently oppose saving animals ..... so I'd be inclined to take any negative comments with a grain of salt & try to form my own firsthand opinion if possible.
I hear you about the public defense of MT seeming kinda odd but maybe it's as simple as MT has been a supporter/donor/volunteer at her farm and they've developed a good friendship so she's defending her out of blind loyalty. Think about FD's family -even as indisputable evidence has been presented, they've consistently remained in denial (at least publicly) & seemingly unable to connect the man they knew & loved with the behavior he's accused of. MOO.

 

[sds71]

In an interview with Hearst Connecticut Media on Friday at his Rocky Hill office, Colangelo said police are still chasing leads to find Jennifer Dulos, who was last seen on May 24.
“You never give up,” Colangelo said. “If I know these officers, they will never give up looking for her. They are still tracking down leads. Is there a place or a spot she could be? Is there some kind of digital evidence that we need to re-examine?”
Colangelo said “there was no evidence” the New Canaan mother of five was at the hole that witnesses described as a “human grave” at an East Granby gun club connected to Fotis Dulos’ friend and former attorney, Kent Mawhinney.

Colangelo became involved within hours of Jennifer Dulos being reported missing around 7 p.m. on May 24. Based on blood and blood splatter found in the garage of her New Canaan home, police knew something “bad” had happened, he said...

The prosecutor’s first instinct was to seek any digital evidence that was available from cellphones and security cameras.
Chief State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo says he will file a nolle Tuesday for each of the charges against Fotis Dulos in the death and disappearance of his estranged wife...
Under a nolle, the state has 13 months to refile the charges or they will be dismissed. Colangelo said the gag order placed on police, attorneys and witnesses in the case will likely be lifted Tuesday when he files to nolle the charges...

“There’s a lot of different steps,” that went through his head, Colangelo said. “What electronic evidence was available to see what happened? Contacting family and friends, is she at a hospital? Let’s find her.”

Cellphone data and security cameras led investigators to some of the case’s most crucial evidence in Hartford. After seizing Fotis Dulos’ cellphone the day after the disappearance, data showed he was in Hartford around the time his wife was reported missing, according to arrest warrants...
It led to an extensive search of a Hartford trash plant, where Colangelo said investigators found no evidence of Jennifer Dulos.


Police also investigated whether anyone used Google or Waze to search for key locations in the disappearance like Waveny Park, where Jennifer Dulos’ SUV was found.

Police also used phone records to determine Fotis Dulos and Troconis took a red pickup truck to an Avon car wash in the days after the disappearance. The truck belonged to an employee who worked for Fotis Dulos. Video obtained from local school buses and state transit cameras showed the same truck traveling to and from New Canaan the morning of the disappearance, arrest warrants said.
Colangelo said police have established a tight timeline for the day of the disappearance. He conceded that it didn’t leave a lot of time for Fotis Dulos to dispose of his estranged wife’s body.
“We explored every option because of that timeline,” Colangelo said. “We were trying to fit things, where and what and how.”

Colangelo said there’s a “human element” to the case as well like when he and defense attorney Kevin Smith were waiting for Fotis Dulos to appear for an emergency bond hearing on Jan. 28. When Dulos didn’t show up, they feared something could be wrong.

“He’s on GPS and I’m getting updates that he hadn’t left his house,” Colangelo said. “Attorney Smith tried calling him, but he didn’t answer. He was concerned, I was concerned.”
Farmington police conducted a welfare check and found Dulos unresponsive in his car suffering from apparent carbon monoxide poisoning. Attempts to save Dulos were captured by a Connecticut TV station’s drone as reporters had been stationed at the end of his street waiting for him to leave for court.
“There is still a human element to both sides of any case,” Colangelo said. “You worry about Jennifer, you worry about the kids and you worry about Mr. Dulos.”


Prosecutor: Jennifer Dulos was never at 'human grave'

 

[Jmoose]

Thank you for the explanation (& appreciate your disclaimer about not taking it personally ). Like I said, at least on the surface, she appears reputable.
Fyi, the animal rescue world is populated by many wonderful & courageous people who work tirelessly under the worst of circumstances to help homeless, endangered animals. That being said, however, there's also often drama, competition & jealousy (at least in dog rescue & I've heard horse rescue is worse if that's even possible). And it's common to hear rescuers called "crazy" in an attempt to discredit them by either other rescuers (usually with competing interests/agenda's) or those who vehemently oppose saving animals ..... so I'd be inclined to take any negative comments with a grain of salt & try to form my own firsthand opinion if possible.
I hear you about the public defense of MT seeming kinda odd but maybe it's as simple as MT has been a supporter/donor/volunteer at her farm and they've developed a good friendship so she's defending her out of blind loyalty. Think about FD's family -even as indisputable evidence has been presented, they've consistently remained in denial (at least publicly) & seemingly unable to connect the man they knew & loved with the behavior he's accused of. MOO.

Regarding the animal rescues, I think you are right about the vast majority of them. But a lot of “horse people” are well-versed in the financial sleight of hand. I’ve been around such people my whole life and never cease to be amazed. There is one “rescue” near me that has only one or two homeless horses, and the rest belong to the head of the organization. She has donation jars all over the place, and people don’t have any idea that the money goes primarily to support her string of horses. And she goes around town begging for hay donations, saying she is out of hay and there is no money in the fund to pay. She will also call different horsepeople and and horse owners looking for money to pay for emergency vet charges for an injury. But she doesn’t want anyone calling the vet and paying with a credit card-stuff like that-she wants the money in her hand. I think people in town are onto this racket and no longer contribute. This set-up is really just designed to get other people to support mainly her own horses. I have been telling this to the people that I work for, who always seemed to be on the list of people she calls. There is little oversight; most donations are in cash, and there isn’t any way of proving what she got.

 

[Jmoose]

I agree, that was pretty heartless, and seemingly deliberate on their part. Lest they forget, Jennifer was their orphaned nieces and nephews, Mother.

I think the Dulos family’s only concern about Jennifer is that she “got Fotis into this mess”-and they’re angry about it, so insulted her by saying her maiden name is unknown in an attempt to show that she is a person of so little importance. This says a lot of negative things about that clan, and says nothing bad about Jennifer.

 

[MollyDDD]

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Yeah, I remembered 'cleaning the windows er um the house'
cleaning with the vacuum that didn't work
and cleaning the computer & phone

kinda forgot the coffee & the Toyota!

but Michelle didn't clean Jennifer?

The fate of the Muppet is likewise in question:

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(I know what is, and is not, on the floor of my sewing room.)

JMHO YMMV LRR

LOVE the Muppet character.

 

[MollyDDD]

On the video, when talking about the suicide note Pattis could explain the Albany Ave trash run, NP said what you hear MAY change what you think about the case. He also said show us the evidence so we can do dispute it. In my mind, that says we don't have any answers, but we can make something up that casts doubt?

MOO

That’s absolutely what he wants(needs) to do. If NP had ANY shred of legitimate evidence exonerating FD, he would have shouted it from the rafters at the very start!
IMO

 

[kimch33kim]

Recent pic of FD with the boys in case you didnt see it

sorry if you already saw it

 

[afitzy]

This is a murky area to me. We know Fd had a safe and perhaps a room that was locked in the office. Would LE have been to search those areas in June or after his suicide attempt?? I sure as heck don't know. This is pure speculation on my part, too.

Somehow, Fd seems to have managed to either destroy or hide the downloads from his computers and cell phones. (The ones performed by the guy way back in June...)
At least LE has never mentioned them. Maybe LE didn't need those if they had access to the computers. However, when Fd and MT were arrested the first time, Mama A and MT's daughter were there, I believe. Did LE have permission to seize anything? Again, I don't know.

Glad you brought this up as it has bothered me for a long time. These loose ends are maddening, IMO...MOO.

My suspicion is that LE has all the computer information and my hope is that the computer specialist that worked with Fd for years kept his own backup as he saw MT deleting and "CLEANING" files at 4Jx. IMO this computer specialist has the potential to be a game changer in terms of the evidence against Fd and MT on so many fronts. LE hasn't disclosed a huge amount of info about results from electronic devices and its seemed that this part of the investigation was particularly time consuming as Atty. P. was complaining about not getting information from the State for a long long time and I'm not convinced that he got all that much as he never received the discovery package from AW3 due to its delay.

Its odd how things work out some times and I for one am very glad that the discovery packaged didn't make it into the hands of Atty. P. as we would have been treated to a biased ongoing campaign similar to the absolutely despicable display IMO put on by Atty. P./Greek Family/Pattisville/Atty Rochlin and Dave Altimari and Hartford Courant in terms of releasing even partial information from the confidential visitation notes. IDK why this release of confidential information hasn't been prosecuted YET! Very disappointing to see such a breach into the confidentiality of 5 children who now have no parents and the body of their mother remains missing.

MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Haha! The reason I brought up that issue of the files being 'cleaned' by MT is that early on in this sad case I saw the mention of the files (think it was Fox61 via twitter where I read it or WFSB on twitter) and so I posted about it but forgot to include the link (the mods were good enough to remove my post as I couldn't provide the link to substantiate the comment).

Then, people understandably kept asking for the verification here on WS and I spent hours searching for the link that I had seen (and stupidly didn't screenshot) and couldn't find it and my guess is that it was scrubbed at the request of LE (no way to know for sure I guess but it was there and then it wasn't). It wasn't until AW3 where we got the info about the computer consultant and MT 'cleaning up' the files where this issue for me came full circle. I do hope we learn a lot more about this and what MT was doing in the FORE office with the FORE computer files along with her personal phone and Fd phone etc.

There was so much happening in the early days of the case and a lot of it was from the reporters on social media and I wish we had been able to screen shot more as much was lost. Live and learn. If you see something on social media from a reporter then take a picture!

MOO

I think NP is the one who mentioned MT cleaning files and deleting stuff on the radio show.

 

[afitzy]

I think NP is the one who mentioned MT cleaning files and deleting stuff on the radio show.

Yes, I think you are right. But it was also mentioned in AW3 too. So hope that this digital data offers a roadmap as to the planning of the murder and that we see ALL parties involved too!
MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Yes, I think you are right. But it was also mentioned in AW3 too. So hope that this digital data offers a roadmap as to the planning of the murder and that we see ALL parties involved too!
MOO

NP mentioned deleting computer files from her computer frantically vs. AW3 mentioned her making a copy of her phone to the cloud drive and erasing her whole phone . I think they were done at two different times

 

[kimch33kim]

Actually from 2012 sorry for the mistake

 

[kimch33kim]

Court date on Fd case on Tuesday - here is short interview with Atty Colangelo:
Questions Over Future of Case Against Fotis Dulos


The interview confirmed that Atty Colangelo met with Fd sister to answer questions about the case. I do wonder what might have been shared and whether it had any impact on the views presented in the HC by the 'Greek Family'? I don't think I will ever forget how the 'Greek Family' chose to disrespect JFd by not disclosing her entire name as spouse on the Fd death certificate. What a crew IMO.....

MOO

Its interesting that they waited until now to reveal that secret meeting

 

[Southernsnooper]

I just don't see FD coming back from the Albany run and then traveling all the way to NC to break up a bike in the middle of the night. AND that it would take hours. FD already knew LE was onto him. Not going to NC for any reason, IMO. I also don't think taking apart the bike would make loud banging noises. Taking the bike apart would take an angle grinder or some such.
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Also, sound carries oddly. How do the neighbors really know where the sound came from? There is a softball field 2 blocks west of my house and it gets quite rowdy there sometimes. It is so weird though because the noise sounds like it's coming from 1 block to the east(which is beachfront). A new resident on the street was unaware of this phenomenon and came out of her house to ask what was happening on the beach this late at night. I explained to her about how the sound was coming not from the beach but from the opposite direction. Weird.

Since the bike was seen in the back of the Toyota and the label was found on Albany, I am going with the bike made it to Farmington. Where is the bike? Where is Jennifer? Maybe FD propped the bike up somewhere or dumped it during the part of the Odyssey that was hidden from camera view. He put the rolled up liner in plain view, why not the bike? Or maybe FD or MT disposed of it during the Vehicle Relay Games on the afternoon of the 24th.

Why was FD late to see LE? I don't think he overslept as he started texting LA at 5:39AM and continued to text and call throughout the morning. He was needing to get in touch with his lawyer who told him to start writing alibi scripts. MT said that the scripts started to be written that day or the next. I doubt being on time to see LE in NC was much of a priority. All IMO.

I am sure they traced where he was texting LA from...Farmington or NC! I guess we have to wait and see.

Okay so obviously LE did not start tailing/watching every move Fotis made starting from when LA called to report her missing on 24 May as otherwise they would’ve followed him to Albany Ave. meaning other investigators other than the investigators that went to Welles.) and got everything which they didn’t as they didn’t get the first few bags that were dumped. So they were not tailing him yet.

I wonder when did LE start tailing him???

That to me is a very important question.

Where was FD on the morning of 25 May before he was late to the NC PD? Where was MT? Where was KM?

LE wasn’t tailing Fotis to NYC as Gloria/doorman had to call police when Fotis showed up demanding to take the children and wouldn’t take no for an answer.

They must’ve at the least started following him after he left NYC.

So I see only 3 windows of opportunity prior to the presumed tail:

1. accomplice took body/items from Fotis in NC on 24 May prior to Fotis driving to 80 MS and accomplice disposed of them wherever and whenever as he/she wasn’t a suspect immediately

2. Fotis drove body/items to 80 MS via Tacoma and disposed of body/items after PG left and before or during Albany dump of bags (first of bags that LE didn’t recover) on 24 May.

3. Fotis and/or accomplice disposed of body/items the morning of 25 May before or after NC PD meeting.

Of course this is assuming LE started tailing him after NYC.

LE searched other trash facilities than MIRA (I’m presuming where first few bags of dumped trash were brought) and no body or other items Were discovered that we know of to date.

Or the body/items were in the few bags that were incinerated prior to MIRA search and therefore no body/other items will ever be recovered.

I certainly believe MT and KM know the answer and the smartest one should dish!

moooo

 

[Tink56]

I am sure they traced where he was texting LA from...Farmington or NC! I guess we have to wait and see.

Okay so obviously LE did not start tailing/watching every move Fotis made starting from when LA called to report her missing on 24 May as otherwise they would’ve followed him to Albany Ave. meaning other investigators other than the investigators that went to Welles.) and got everything which they didn’t as they didn’t get the first few bags that were dumped. So they were not tailing him yet.

I wonder when did LE start tailing him???

That to me is a very important question.

Where was FD on the morning of 25 May before he was late to the NC PD? Where was MT? Where was KM?

LE wasn’t tailing Fotis to NYC as Gloria/doorman had to call police when Fotis showed up demanding to take the children and wouldn’t take no for an answer.

They must’ve at the least started following him after he left NYC.

So I see only 3 windows of opportunity prior to the presumed tail:

1. accomplice took body/items from Fotis in NC on 24 May prior to Fotis driving to 80 MS and accomplice disposed of them wherever and whenever as he/she wasn’t a suspect immediately

2. Fotis drove body/items to 80 MS via Tacoma and disposed of body/items after PG left and before or during Albany dump of bags (first of bags that LE didn’t recover) on 24 May.

3. Fotis and/or accomplice disposed of body/items the morning of 25 May before or after NC PD meeting.

Of course this is assuming LE started tailing him after NYC.

LE searched other trash facilities than MIRA (I’m presuming where first few bags of dumped trash were brought) and no body or other items Were discovered that we know of to date.

Or the body/items were in the few bags that were incinerated prior to MIRA search and therefore no body/other items will ever be recovered.

I certainly believe MT and KM know the answer and the smartest one should dish!

moooo

I just "realized" the following today...it's from AW3....Sure others may have seen this before, but sometimes I've been warrant "blind."

• On Friday, May 24th, PG drove his Toyota Tacoma home for the 3-day weekend.
• What was Fd driving around the weekend of the 24th through Tuesday May 28th. We can guess he arrived in NYC on Sunday, May 26th in the Suburban. He and MT had the Suburban, the Jeep, and the Raptor.
• On Tuesday, May 28th, PG drove the Jeep to NC for the day. WHY? Was Fd having the Suburban cleaned? (Wasn't blood found on the mat in that vehicle?) Was the Thule still on the Suburban after that weekend?

Just curious.

The comments on the cell phone pings would help clarify where FD was over the weekend, but he seems to have forgotten his phone now and then....and, had a spare or more???

 

[Jmoose]

Recent pic of FD with the boys in case you didnt see it

sorry if you already saw it

I wonder who took the picture, and when (and where?)

 

[MollyDDD]

Recent pic of FD with the boys in case you didnt see it

sorry if you already saw it

MOO[/QUOTE]
All I see is a soul-less shell of a man.