Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

[Megnut]

Judge: Mr. S, do you think this jury is unable to ....

JS: yes, they are smart but I don't want the jury to even have to debate...

Judge: that you don't want the jury to debate, you won't find any case law to support that. It is the jury's job to weigh the evidence presented by the State. Your concern about the jury is unfounded.

 

[Pitsleuth]

Since we have a bit of a break, I was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory on the theory of which vehicles were used and when/ how they were switched.
A few months ago I read through every thread on this case (took me many weeks), but I'm still fuzzy on the vehicles. I apologize if this is something everyone else has already straightened out...

 

[Alkali13]

I am behind, but just plopping this here in case someone else hasn't.

 

[Niner]

and I shall use this article in my notes reference.

https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-dulos-pickup-live-updates-18639065.php

 

[Megnut]

Since we have a bit of a break, I was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory on the theory of which vehicles were used and when/ how they were switched.
A few months ago I read through every thread on this case (took me many weeks), but I'm still fuzzy on the vehicles. I apologize if this is something everyone else has already straightened out...

Hold tight. That testimony is coming! Yesterday we learned about a BURLA report for the Raptor (BURLA, JS. No, not OnStar).

I think the State is going to make sense of the musical chairs of vehicles.

KM's movements are completely unaccounted for so there's much yet to learn.

I think we know:

The Raptor was in NC with PG

The Tacoma traveled to and from Waveny.

The rest is guessing still!

Eager to see it laid bare.

Jmo

 

[Megnut]

Will KM testify?

 

[Pitsleuth]

Hold tight. That testimony is coming! Yesterday we learned about a BURLA report for the Raptor (BURLA, JS. No, not OnStar).

I think the State is going to make sense of the musical chairs of vehicles.

KM's movements are completely unaccounted for so there's much yet to learn.

I think we know:

The Raptor was in NC with PG

The Tacoma traveled to and from Waveny.

The rest is guessing still!

Eager to see it laid bare.

Jmo

Thank you Megnut!! And cannot thank you enough for your daily coverage

 

[Alkali13]

Judge R seems to have reached the end of his last nerve on the use by TP of “testimonial objections”. Sadly I think he is being too subtle in his gracious approach as TP
is not getting the memo.
Moo

I don't think JS will get the memo until there are actual consequences.

 

[Silverstorm]

Since we have a bit of a break, I was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory on the theory of which vehicles were used and when/ how they were switched.
A few months ago I read through every thread on this case (took me many weeks), but I'm still fuzzy on the vehicles. I apologize if this is something everyone else has already straightened out...

How police tracked an old work truck to find Jennifer Dulos' alleged killer

After scouring 12 hours of grainy surveillance footage, investigators say they found the way Fotis Dulos drove the 70 miles to murder his wife.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[afitzy]

Thanks @afitzy!

Seems so unfair but, like my dear mother always said, life isn't fair.

Lesson learned: Do NOT work for Fotis Dulos.

Don’t commit a crime! And yes as you point out there are innocent victims in this case! MT however is not one of them imo!
Moo

 

[Cloudydiamond]

Will KM testify?

He's on the list of witnesses. Whether he will or not remains to be seen.

 

[afitzy]

These are great! I went to a concert last summer and Garbage opened for the band I was seeing. Amazing tying them into this case!

JS just asked about if the Tacoma was ever returned to PG and the answer was No Sir. Guessing it was an insurance co write off as suggested earlier by @afitzy.

IDK what the insurance coverage is if your car is seized by LE and never returned? Curious if this is a covered event? If anyone knows pls post.

What bothers me on the PG vehicle is he was an innocent and victim in this case and he lost the vehicle he needed to do his job (regardless of who he worked for). That vehicle was part of his livelihood and he lost it. How many people would have enough money to go out tomorrow and get a new vehicle or could afford to rent a vehicle to get to work? My guess is not all and certainly not a min wage worker.

PG was SOL without his truck courtesy of FD and MT games and murder. Further he had to get an attorney to protect him from being accused in this case because FD and MT set him up. The avg in the area for atty is $500-600/hr. How would PG afford this?? Whole thing simply makes me angry.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

These are great! I went to a concert last summer and Garbage opened for the band I was seeing. Amazing tying them into this case

Fun band and lead singer imo is one of the greats! Listening to Stupid Girl now and I think it’s MT to a tee!
Moo

 

[Jmoose]

To be fair - wouldn't anyone who was pulled over by police possibly be nervous? What did I do? Why are you stopping me? What did my BOSS do?

I am nervous when I get pulled over for the speeding that I knowingly
did

 

[afitzy]

Jury excused. JS is back arguing the Luminol. Moves to strike the testimony, citing Moody

If someone can explain the TP argument on luminal and presumptive testing please post.

I’m confused as initially I wasn’t sure that TP understood presumptive testing and now it seems like he does yet is still objecting.

What is baffling is that he asks extensive questions about items seized that were sprayed with luminal and yet then says this has no evidentiary value. What is so frustrating is that his commentary is designed to confuse the jury as he is only telling part of the story as it relates to role of confirmatory testing etc. That junk science quip should have been stricken too as it’s wrong on so many levels.

Is the issue he has one of perception of the luminoled evidence in that not all evidence seized received additional testing but could have tested positive in presumptive testing?

I will never forget that one of the very early rumours floating around was that the Welles garage was luminoled and “lit up like a Christmas tree”!

I just don’t see arguing that luminol treated evidence has no value which is what TP is doing and Judge is not stopping this particular nonsense. I know he is trying this case for immediate appeal but this particular argument to me on the surface seems like a nothing burger.

I’m confused…..
Moo

 

[afitzy]

Hold tight. That testimony is coming! Yesterday we learned about a BURLA report for the Raptor (BURLA, JS. No, not OnStar).

I think the State is going to make sense of the musical chairs of vehicles.

KM's movements are completely unaccounted for so there's much yet to learn.

I think we know:

The Raptor was in NC with PG

The Tacoma traveled to and from Waveny.

The rest is guessing still!

Eager to see it laid bare.

Jmo

I’m curious about second suburban and white jeep…..

I see the noose tightening ever so slightly on MT and her vague timeline……and lies….

It was always tight timing for her to be in NC but I do wonder if she were the lookout vehicle or was KM? Or was she doing site work to assist FD with body disposal?

Showtime imo….

MOO

 

[BUF]

This morning the prosecution said they had 2 lay witnesses from their home cameras and Detective Reilly. Before lunch break the prosecution said they had another witness expected at 2:00….any guesses? Car wash surveillance maybe?

 

[afitzy]

New TP tactic is to do a “testimonial objection” with false conclusions and facts, and is now disagreeing with Judge on the Code!

Mind blowing….
Moo

Replying to myself on this ongoing issue.

Does anyone believe that TP is goading the judge and then he will just jump up and scream mistrial?

Who disregards the Judge and corrects the Judge and does it over and over???

TP is doing it…..

Moo

 

[nodamselindistress]

IDK what the insurance coverage is if your car is seized by LE and never returned? Curious if this is a covered event? If anyone knows pls post.

What bothers me on the PG vehicle is he was an innocent and victim in this case and he lost the vehicle he needed to do his job (regardless of who he worked for). That vehicle was part of his livelihood and he lost it. How many people would have enough money to go out tomorrow and get a new vehicle or could afford to rent a vehicle to get to work? My guess is not all and certainly not a min wage worker.

PG was SOL without his truck courtesy of FD and MT games and murder. Further he had to get an attorney to protect him from being accused in this case because FD and MT set him up. The avg in the area for atty is $500-600/hr. How would PG afford this?? Whole thing simply makes me angry.

MOO

In effect, FD stole PG's truck to use during the commission of a crime, so I am thinking it should be covered as a stolen vehicle. But I do not know for sure. This is admittedly a rare set of circumstances.

 

[BUF]

If someone can explain the TP argument on luminal and presumptive testing please post.

I’m confused as initially I wasn’t sure that TP understood presumptive testing and now it seems like he does yet is still objecting.

What is baffling is that he asks extensive questions about items seized that were sprayed with luminal and yet then says this has no evidentiary value. What is so frustrating is that his commentary is designed to confuse the jury as he is only telling part of the story as it relates to role of confirmatory testing etc. That junk science quip should have been stricken too as it’s wrong on so many levels.

Is the issue he has one of perception of the luminoled evidence in that not all evidence seized received additional testing but could have tested positive in presumptive testing?

I will never forget that one of the very early rumours floating around was that the Welles garage was luminoled and “lit up like a Christmas tree”!

I just don’t see arguing that luminol treated evidence has no value which is what TP is doing and Judge is not stopping this particular nonsense. I know he is trying this case for immediate appeal but this particular argument to me on the surface seems like a nothing burger.

I’m confused…..
Moo

To me, I think all of their testing show just how thorough an investigation LE did. Maybe JS was going to try for the opposite?