Debunking the Defense's Theories.........

[flyonsweetangel]

I really think they will go with the smoke & mirrors defense. They will attack forensic evidence ("junk science") while throwing out distractions. There really isn't any other way for them to defend her. She's really painted herself in a corner with her ridiculous statements to police.

I agree with you all the way~~~~:clap:

 

[RevCrim]

I really think they will go with the smoke & mirrors defense. They will attack forensic evidence ("junk science") while throwing out distractions. There really isn't any other way for them to defend her. She's really painted herself in a corner with her ridiculous statements to police.

I believe you've nailed it-- Distractions-Distractions-

 

[cecybeans]

Great post- however, how will defense excuse how the tape and heart sticker got on Caylee's mouth and skull "accidently"? Can't sell me, it was in respect for Caylee, to keep insects out of her mouth and body. The body has other openings, and there was no respect placing her little body in plastic trash bags and a fabric laundry bag, letting larger wildlife get to her dear little remains. Accident- NOT:hand:

I have always suspected that - whatever the COD - Ms. KC had it in mind for all of us to think this was a kidnapping gone sour. I think the duct tape was placed postmortem for that - although who knows what that horrible sticker was all about? I never thought it was to keep anything in or out of the body, just to stage her little corpse so that others would think she had been abducted when she was found.

 

[spqr]

The healthy hairs could have easily been "Transfered" to the trunk through normal everyday activity.

One of Caylee's hairs could have been on a Toy, Towel or Blanket and then that item was placed in the trunk were it fell off.

Healthy hairs would be expected......

The hair with the Death Band is another story & Jose is going to have a hard time explaining that at trial.

His only option is going to be to Attack the science of "Death Banding" because there is no reasonable explanation for that hair to be in Casey's trunk.

Most of (well ALL of us here) have some of our childrens hair in various parts of our cars...front seat, back seat, trunk, cargo area...but combine that with the same persons hair with a death band...that combination of factors is not good and not easily explained away.(in my opinion can't be explained away).

There are many explanations/reasons for hair to be found in these various locations but ONLY ONE reason for a hair to have a death band.

 

[RevCrim]

I have always suspected that - whatever the COD - Ms. KC had it in mind for all of us to think this was a kidnapping gone sour. I think the duct tape was placed postmortem for that - although who knows what that horrible sticker was all about? I never thought it was to keep anything in or out of the body, just to stage her little corpse so that others would think she had been abducted when she was found.

Plan A- I do believe KC thought she could get away with the murder.
Plan B - I think she intended to take off to California, and then she could
lie to CA and they couldn't find her.
Plan C - I think she intended to go back for her car, but it got towed.
Plan D - While working on plan D - CA butted in and found her.
Plan E - Beg for one more day to run.
Plan F- Lie to LE and CA to buy time
Plan G- Time ran out- Cops and CA not buying story
Plan H- Lie to CA with another story to keep them off her back
Plan I - Refuse to see family anymore, as they did not help her.

Plan J- J if for Joke- this is a script in it's self- so there you go- KC wrote her own script and played it out for 30 days- Now everyone is tired of her games.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Considering the defendant (Casey) has no alibi I really don't know what Baez et al can do except hope no one notices?

 

[Pink Panther]

Hey KC! If you're listening and paying attention to anything that's important...Pay close attention and really stick to Boaz's "potatoe theory"! He's onto something! He's looking out for you! Just remember...You're number one and the "potatoe theory"!

 

[Pink Panther]

Considering the defendant (Casey) has no alibi I really don't know what Baez et al can do except hope no one notices?

Dawn - Haven't you heard the perfectly reasonable explanation for her behaviors? Haven't you heard about the potatoes yet???

ROFL

MOO

 

[RevCrim]

Dawn - Haven't you heard the perfectly reasonable explanation for her behaviors? Haven't you heard about the potatoes yet???

ROFL

MOO

Okay you silly guys- I'll bite-----What the heck is the "Potato Theory?"

 

[sua_sponte]

True. So we should expect to see roughly the same number of Casey hairs, correct? I assume she would be leaning over the trunk more frequently than Caylee, plus she has her own stuff inthe trunk also. I wonder if we know how many of KC's hairs were found..

I don't think they are able to distinguish between KC and Caylee hairs...

 

[DaughterAlice]

Casey was texting her g/b friends promoting Fusian because why? Oh yeah. Ugly coping. Pffffftttt. I think not.

Hey, at least they got the "ugly" part right. I absolutely agree with the thought that even if it was "ugly coping," then wouldn't that imply that she knew Caylee was deceased??

The potato thing is my absolute favorite theory!! Despite the fact that no potato remains were found (heck, at least there was a pizza box to support that crazy theory!), JB thinks it's fine to throw them into the mix. Hmm . . . let's review the list of possible sources of the smell: pototoes? pizza? squirrels? murdered children?

I absolutely CAN NOT WAIT until JB tells us what kind of person KC really is. I want to see why GA is so very proud to have her as a daughter, and why CA says she was such a good good mother. I'm a mother in Orlando too. Should I head down to Fusian? Will that make me good?

Sorry for the rant. On a parting note, I hope they keep the prison safe from the swine flu. I don't want annnnnything to hurt our little KC before the trial. (I wouldn't wish that on anyone anyway!)

 

[songline]

Plan A- I do believe KC thought she could get away with the murder.
Plan B - I think she intended to take off to California, and then she could
lie to CA and they couldn't find her.
Plan C - I think she intended to go back for her car, but it got towed.
Plan D - While working on plan D - CA butted in and found her.
Plan E - Beg for one more day to run.
Plan F- Lie to LE and CA to buy time
Plan G- Time ran out- Cops and CA not buying story
Plan H- Lie to CA with another story to keep them off her back
Plan I - Refuse to see family anymore, as they did not help her.

Plan J- J if for Joke- this is a script in it's self- so there you go- KC wrote her own script and played it out for 30 days- Now everyone is tired of her games.

:waitasec: And GA is proud of all that :waitasec:
hmmmmm that is amazing, can he possibly be proud of all that?
that would be pretty insan, I think .

I also think that Miss party girl kept baby in the trunk when she did go to party....
I think there is also a possibility that she parties with some of the wrong people.
and just maybe something else happened, something we do not know yet.
JUST MAYBE GA does know and he thinks that Casey is doing the best she can
with a situation that has not come to light yet,
but is somehow hooked up to the money guy. JUST MAYBE.

Because GA did act normal in the beginning.
Now he said he is proud of his daughter

 

[Jolynna]

I'll never believe Casey put duct tape over Caylee's mouth and hair after her death.

Casey didnt do ANYTHING to stage a kidnapping.

She put Caylee's body within yards of her parent's house in one of her parent's laundry bags.

The mama doll was still in Casey's backseat along with Caylee's carseat. Pitching those in a dumpster would have made it look more like there was a kidnapping nanny than leaving them in her car.

Casey didn't pretend to go looking for Caylee. She could have called hospitals and asked if there had been any 3 year olds in accidents. She could have called hospitals and asked ANYTHING. At least there would be a record of Casey making calls pretending to look for her daughter.

There is NO record showing Casey calling ZGs or any of ZG's relatives. She wasn't calling children's homes. She didn't get out Caylee's picture and pretend to look sad every once in a while. She didn't plant a cigarette, soda bottle, beer can, gum or any item from Jesse, Amy, Annie, Cindy, Ric, George or even a stranger with Caylee's body. HOW hard would it have been to get a used piece of gum with Cindy's DNA?

Casey's time on June 16 was limited. I believe she deliberately and efficiently gagged Caylee because it was the fastest and most effective way to accomplish what Casey wanted done.

As she made no OTHER effort EVER to frame a kidnapper, I see no reason why she would waste time and dirty her hands handling Caylee's dead body any more than necessary.
JMO

 

[Blaise]

I think there is also a possibility that she parties with some of the wrong people.
and just maybe something else happened, something we do not know yet.
JUST MAYBE GA does know and he thinks that Casey is doing the best she can
with a situation that has not come to light yet,
but is somehow hooked up to the money guy. JUST MAYBE.

You've mentioned your theory several times that someone else . . . some kinda Florida drug lord . . . was responsible for the baby's death. I'm curious -- what evidence have you reviewed that led to your suspicions? Has anyone seen the drug lord? Did KC ever mention the drug lord to her friends? In the many, many (many many many) text messages that KC sent, is there any reference to a man who has not already been tossed out there? In any of her bar hopping, was there an older man who people noticed, having an interest in KC? During the 31 days, is there a window of opportunity that she could have met with the drug lord? You mentioned that George and Cindy may be fearful of the drug lord. Do you think that, with the current media spotlight on G&C, there would be a window of opportunity for the drug lord or their minions to attack the Anthony's without being chased by FoxOrlando? Do you think that if something did happen to the Anthony's, the media would be interested in 'who hurt the Anthony's and what is the connection to Caylee?"? If you were a drug lord, with the current media attention on the Anthony's, would you touch them with a 10-foot pole?

Exactly what have you read / heard / saw that has you suspicious of anyone other than KC Anthony killing the baby?

I'm curious. There's some bizarrely good sleuths on this forum. If you could provide them with any kind of information, I'm thinking they could sleuth it out.

Blaise

 

[songline]

Purple=songline
traying to figure out where the defense is going with this case, come trial time.......I question a few things I've heard so far-----feel free to jump in....

I am just an amatuer looking for answers-------These are just my opinions.....

1) The theory of "Ugly Coping" - If KC's actions after Caylee disappeared is due to ugly coping, or how she chose to deal with it, then doesn't that mean "she already knew the child was dead?":waitasec: "Ugly Coping" interesting concept, creative term I never heard it before.
2) 17 good healthy hairs of Caylee's in the trunk- the prosecution only has one hair with a death band- wouldn't that mean that apparently KC did keep Caylee in the trunk while she partied,
party girl more then likely did keep a sleeping Caylee in the trunk too often
and then after she murdered her?
Therefore, how much of this child's life was spent in the trunk of her mother's car?:waitasec:

3) Filicide- If this behavior is how some 20 year olds deal with the birth of a child- and it worsen's with time- how do they explain, KC did all these things prior to Caylee's death also?:waitasec:
Good mom by day, party girl by night

4) Since the defense is spending so much time looking for an excuse for how KC reacted and responded to Caylee's death, doesn't that say that they know KC is guilty?
Different people react differently some freeze, some get emotionally crippled, it is different for all people
If she was innocent, why not just tell the truth? GREAT question
They can't because she's not. An innocent person is not going to sit in a cell all this time for a crime they did not commit.
you did hear of dumb and dumber

5) Among other things the defense cannot explain away, how about with all the family visits and phone calls, not once did KC ask, "Any word on Caylee?"
"Have they found my little girl that I profess to love so much and miss so much." KC does not bring up Caylee or Nanny ever, unless someone else ask's
a question, and then she tries to change the subject or talks a mile a minute to get off the subject. You are so right

6) If KC tries to throw GA and CA under the bus for being horrible parents, she has debunked that, as she told them on camera at the jail how wonderful they are as parents, and how Caylee had and has the best grandparents.
I do believe she had a little Freudian slip in there (had, still has)
wow I missed that Freudian slip, but that is raising my eyebrow for sure.

I love this thread and thank you for it. :blowkiss:
It is good to look and relook everything.
Many very interesting thoughts some very valid questions that need to be answered. I sure hope in the end there will be justice for Caylee and some peace for the Anthony's too.
we dint have to like them to know that they re human too.

 

[songline]

imho..the defense has, well no real defense. Any theory they have thought of amongst themselves has surely been refuted by the following doc dump. All they can do is try to attack the manner of evidence collection and validity of the labs. They have nothing. I will go out on a limb and say they (the defense team) has been lied to by casey many times. they don't know what to put forward.

Bingo ! ! !

 

[songline]

I'll never believe Casey put duct tape over Caylee's mouth and hair after her death.

Casey didnt do ANYTHING to stage a kidnapping.

She put Caylee's body within yards of her parent's house, in one of her parent's laundry bags.

The mama doll was still in Casey's backseat along with Caylee's carseat. Pitching those in a dumpster would have made it look more like there was a kidnapping nanny than leaving them in her car.

Casey didn't pretend to go looking for Caylee. She could have called hospitals and asked if there had been any 3 year olds in accidents. She could have called hospitals and asked ANYTHING. At least there would be a record of Casey making calls pretending to look for her daughter.

There is NO record showing Casey calling ZGs or any of ZG's relatives. She wasn't calling children's homes. She didn't get out Caylee's picture and pretrend to look sad every once in a while. She didn't plant a cigarette, soda bottle, beer can, gum or any item from Jesse, Amy, Annie, Cindy, Ric, George or even a stranger with Caylee's body. HOW hard would it have been to get a used piece of gum with Cindy's DNA?

Casey's time on June 16 was limited. I believe she deliberately and efficiently gagged Caylee because it was the fastest and most effective way to accomplish what Casey wanted done.

As she made no OTHER effort EVER to frame a kidnapper, I see no reason why she would waste time and dirty her hands handling Caylee's dead body any more than necessary.
JMO

GREAT POST you are right :clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[songline]

She's had every opportunity to confess to an accident both before and after her arrest.
If it were an accident, why wait for a trial, why not try to get your client off on lesser charges from the beginning. If she did confess to an accident then Baez is just letting this all play out for the free publicity and fame of which KC will pay for with her life. If it was an accident, she still deserves LWOP in my opinion but not the DP.

I like the way you think and that is a great question
If it was an accident why the fiasco, why not just deal with the accident.
I don't think that JB in in his ball park, I think he is way over his head.

 

[songline]

You've mentioned your theory several times that someone else . . . some kinda Florida drug lord . . . was responsible for the baby's death. I'm curious -- what evidence have you reviewed that led to your suspicions? Has anyone seen the drug lord? Did KC ever mention the drug lord to her friends? In the many, many (many many many) text messages that KC sent, is there any reference to a man who has not already been tossed out there? In any of her bar hopping, was there an older man who people noticed, having an interest in KC? During the 31 days, is there a window of opportunity that she could have met with the drug lord? You mentioned that George and Cindy may be fearful of the drug lord. Do you think that, with the current media spotlight on G&C, there would be a window of opportunity for the drug lord or their minions to attack the Anthony's without being chased by FoxOrlando? Do you think that if something did happen to the Anthony's, the media would be interested in 'who hurt the Anthony's and what is the connection to Caylee?"? If you were a drug lord, with the current media attention on the Anthony's, would you touch them with a 10-foot pole?

Exactly what have you read / heard / saw that has you suspicious of anyone other than KC Anthony killing the baby?

I'm curious. There's some bizarrely good sleuths on this forum. If you could provide them with any kind of information, I'm thinking they could sleuth it out.

Blaise

The attached is Chapter 4 - Maybe some of my ideas come from here?
http://www..net/120671 Chapter 4

ALSO - I never said anything in a FACTUAL form, I meerly sugest that we have neither seen or heard everything yet.
I said and I still say there is talk so let us consider that too........ it is not over till the bat lady sings.
Lets not just close the book on IT HAD TO BE CASEY >>>>the END. but maybe it is!

I read all 4 chapters you asked for a link happy reading......
http://www..net/120612 Chapter 1
http://www..net/120622 Chapter 2
http://www..net/120622 Cahpter 3

 

[songline]

I'll never believe Casey put duct tape over Caylee's mouth and hair after her death.

Casey didn't do ANYTHING to stage a kidnapping.

She put Caylee's body within yards of her parent's house, in one of her parent's laundry bags.

The mama doll was still in Casey's backseat along with Caylee's carseat. Pitching those in a dumpster would have made it look more like there was a kidnapping nanny than leaving them in her car.

Casey didn't pretend to go looking for Caylee. She could have called hospitals and asked if there had been any 3 year olds in accidents. She could have called hospitals and asked ANYTHING. At least there would be a record of Casey making calls pretending to look for her daughter. (you are right there is no initial freaking out reaction)
There is NO record showing Casey calling ZGs or any of ZG's relatives. She wasn't calling children's homes. She didn't get out Caylee's picture and pretrend to look sad every once in a while. She didn't plant a cigarette, soda bottle, beer can, gum or any item from Jesse, Amy, Annie, Cindy, Ric, George or even a stranger with Caylee's body. HOW hard would it have been to get a used piece of gum with Cindy's DNA?
:nono::nono::nono:[
Casey's time on June 16 was limited. I believe she deliberately and efficiently gagged Caylee because it was the fastest and most effective way to accomplish what Casey wanted done. COLD

As she made no OTHER effort EVER to frame a kidnapper, I see no reason why she would waste time and dirty her hands handling Caylee's dead body any more than necessary.
JMO

So you think there is another person? I am very tired.
There are so many great points till Casey refused to dirty her hands,
Maybe it was a family affair? after Casey killed Caylee the entire family did whatever
and casey is sitting in jail with no sex. That is cold turkey...why isn't she having a fit by now?

Seriously.....there is much here we do not know and yes Casey is at the center of it.
IF Casey did not kill her daughter she did put her in harms way.