Did Lisa's Mom do it? Poll

[Paige SC]

New thought on a possible accident theory.

People Magazine article - "Bradley settled down at home for dinner and drinking with a neighbor. She put Lisa down in her room around 6:40 p.m., she says. Only once more soon afterward did she check on Lisa, finding her standing in her crib before tucking her back in." - bbm

Websleuths Pictures from Lisa Irwin case sticky 2nd picture in post #1, thanks Kat.

Shouldn't the mattress be a lot lower for a 10 month reported to be 30 inches? What if it was an accident where the baby fell out of the crib? And DB being intoxicated, didn't respond like she would if she hadn't been drinking?

I am not one to entertain the 'accident gone cover up" theory, but your observation of her crib height is a very good one. Based on the items in the crib, the mattress should have been lower, IMHO.

 

[LadyPirate]

I think earlier it was discussed about the height of the crib mattress and came to the conclusion that probably LE had taken everything apart and this is just the way it was put back together. It wasn't necessarily this height when Lisa was in it.

 

[aks9847]

As my DH says, if this goes to trial, they have successfully tainted the jury pool around here!! :waitasec:

 

[MEM2010]

Has LE made it known that they were unaware that she was drinking that night yet?

I've been very busy so haven't been able to watch the interview, maybe I'll find a few spare moments and watch it now.

Also as to did "Did Lisa's Mom Do It?"

Well, I don't think she did it, meaning I don't think she made a proactive approach to killing baby Lisa.

Could she have been negligent and fail to protect her? possibly.

And, another good point brought up by a poster is if she was so drunk, how on earth could she have hid a baby so well that LE/dogs could not find her for two weeks?

This is mind boggling!


and yes, I am the parent of of 30 inch, 12 month old and the crib should be on the lowest setting by now!

 

[theBritster]

This is what I don't get. How can a woman who was extremely intoxicated hide a baby so well that LE hasn't been able to find her for 2 weeks? She had to have had help if she's guilty. This case is maddening.

Maybe she wasn't as drunk as she says. Imo, I think she's playing the I-was-drunk-and-don't-remember card so that she can explain away not noticing anything. She wouldn't be the first one to embelish a story, that's for sure. :crazy:

ETA- Sorry, matou, shoulda kept reading- you beat me to it!

 

[MEM2010]

Maybe she wasn't as drunk as she says. Imo, I think she's playing the I-was-drunk-and-don't-remember card so that she can explain away not noticing anything. She wouldn't be the first one to embelish a story, that's for sure. :crazy:

hmm.. it does seem this new information about being drunk came out after the surveillance footage of her purchasing wine was released....

 

[indepmo]

Still...

This alcohol seemed more important than the children. I hold her accountable in a sense because she was negligent. When you have an infant, you don't get intoxicated and openly admit "enough to be drunk". You get a babysitter. I've been known to have a couple, and when my children were younger I rarely drank, but if I did it was a night with the kids at Grandma & Grandpas. If this kidnapping is infact true, which I'm not buying for a minute, I hold her accountable & negligent because it impaired her abaility to properly take care of this child if she got intoxicated.


She should be held accountable just as a daycare provider would be accountable if you or I left our child with that daycare provider, our children came up missing and the daycare provider admitted to be intoxicated after putting our sick infant children to bed.

 

[Hopeful One]

I've been on the fence previously but as of right now, I'm really feeling that DB didn't have anything to do with Baby Lisa's disappearance.

And I'm actually feeling really bad for her. She's being attacked for having some wine that night. While it may not be the smartest idea, it surely doesn't make her a monster or a murderer. If she is innocent, she is being singled out and ridiculed, which only makes this situation that much harder on her. Until there is some evidence against her, I feel as though she should be treated as a victim in this case.

 

[Hopeful One]

And I must say, if she was responsible for what happened to Lisa, would she really openly admit that she had gotten drunk that night? That has to be incredibly embarrassing, imo. I see her as being honest, 100%, in order to find her child.

 

[MEM2010]

I've been on the fence previously but as of right now, I'm really feeling that DB didn't have anything to do with Baby Lisa's disappearance.

And I'm actually feeling really bad for her. She's being attacked for having some wine that night. While it may not be the smartest idea, it surely doesn't make her a monster or a murderer. If she is innocent, she is being singled out and ridiculed, which only makes this situation that much harder on her. Until there is some evidence against her, I feel as though she should be treated as a victim in this case.

well, it's not looking good for her. Respectfully, she did not have some wine. According to her she had more than 5 glasses and was drunk. That's a bit much. Especially while caring for a sick infant, who at any moment may need to be driven to an ER.

And then, this night that she is drunk her baby disappears without a trace.


I am still on the fence myself, but it's just a bit bizarre how the story is now changing.

It could still be possible that an intruder came in while Lisa was passed out and took baby Lisa. But what are the odds of someone knowing she'd be home alone, intoxicated, with a baby?

Unless it was the neighbor who took her...

I just want to know what happened to Lisa.

 

[liz b.]

I do not know what happened to Lisa. But, I would like to know if there were any indications that clothes had been laid out for the two boys for the next day ? A school day ?

Also, the cell phones were on restricted use due to non payment...sounds like money was tight... wonder if that played any part in what happened ? MOO

 

[davehead21]

Maybe she wasn't as drunk as she says. Imo, I think she's playing the I-was-drunk-and-don't-remember card so that she can explain away not noticing anything. She wouldn't be the first one to embelish a story, that's for sure. :crazy:

ETA- Sorry, matou, shoulda kept reading- you beat me to it!

This is very possible. But remember D was saying before the information about the wine came out that LE said she had gaps in her story. She just doesn't strike me as the type of person who could come up with the drunk defense on her own (I know that's not nice but it's my opinion). Ahhhhhhhhhh-- this case gives me a headache!!!!

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I wonder if FCA and visions of Susan Smith et al aren't clouding everyone's vision. I still feel DB didn't do anything to Lisa, and if being drunk at the time her baby goes missing, makes her a murderer, I'm not buying it. I'd be looking very closely at the neighbour and her circle of friends. She knew DB was drinking, and was probably familiar with the layout of the house. I'd have to have a lot more than a few glasses of wine to execute this grieving mother.

 

[Turnadot]

I'm still on the fence. I admit it's not looking good for DB, but I don't want my jaded feelings to do my talking for me. After Casey Anthony, I have a knee-jerk reaction to DB's story: missing cell phones, being drunk, gaps in story, etc. But none of that means she harmed her baby at all.

Although I do feel like I was snowed and DB is a good actress, but again, she could be feeling overwhelming guilt at being drunk while her kids were sleeping. It's possible, IMO, that she didn't own up to it right away due to shame.

I'm just trying to give benefit of the doubt, but it does get harder as the interviews pile up and the hours roll by.

I just don't know.

My opinions...

 

[voxrock2000]

Seems odd that the first day the father works a night shift she decides to get blind drunk early in the night. What's to say the father is not involved? He came home and she was passed out. He had access to the house while she was out cold. He could have staged the whole thing. He even went as far as saying the situation has brought them closer as a couple on tv. Strange comment.

 

[AZlawyer]

This new "I was drinking, which naturally means I blacked out just like everyone does when they drink" information (not a direct quote BTW) is making me consider another possibility (pure speculation alert). Maybe sick Baby Lisa was crying and one of her brothers tried to wake Mom, but couldn't, so he tried to get her out of the crib and dropped her? Then Mom covered up for the boy (after "sobering up" to some extent from the shock and adrenaline) and convinced him he had to lie, but is afraid to let him talk to the police too much because he might break down and tell what happened.

Somewhat related comment: I think we should distinguish between (1) "drinking" while kids are in the house, which is no big deal really IMO, (2) being "drunk" while caring for sleeping/sick kids, which IMO is negligent and suggests an unhealthy relationship with alcohol, and (3) being "blacked out from drinking" while the sole caretaker for a sick infant, which IMO is disgusting and reckless behavior.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

This new "I was drinking, which naturally means I blacked out just like everyone does when they drink" information (not a direct quote BTW) is making me consider another possibility (pure speculation alert). Maybe sick Baby Lisa was crying and one of her brothers tried to wake Mom, but couldn't, so he tried to get her out of the crib and dropped her? Then Mom covered up for the boy (after "sobering up" to some extent from the shock and adrenaline) and convinced him he had to lie, but is afraid to let him talk to the police too much because he might break down and tell what happened.

Somewhat related comment: I think we should distinguish between (1) "drinking" while kids are in the house, which is no big deal really IMO, (2) being "drunk" while caring for sleeping/sick kids, which IMO is negligent and suggests an unhealthy relationship with alcohol, and (3) being "blacked out from drinking" while the sole caretaker for a sick infant, which IMO is disgusting and reckless behavior.

If it turns out she saddled 2 small boys with the responsibility of caring for a sick toddler, while she was passed out drunk, then I hope she's a phoenix and we get to see her burn over and over and over again. :furious:

 

[voxrock2000]

The whole thing sounds suspect to me. Like a setup. Why would someone stealing a baby turn on all the lights and leave the door open. Wouldn't that be kind of calling attention to a kidnapping? Too coincidental that he works late for the first time and she gets totally drunk. Did she do that every night and this was the first time she was alone with 3 kids? Or was it part of the cover story? Did the neighbors notice all the lights on all night long and the door open? I don't like the demeanor of the father at all. I still think it was orchestrated, and pretty poorly set up. A dark house with the back door open; believable. Front door open and all lights on? Trying too hard with that one.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

One thing I wanted to make a note of about the interviews today is that Debbie did NOT maintain the persona of a grieving mother throughout these interviews. The hostile, irresponsible, "only care about myself" attitude did seep through at times. The best way to detect this if you question this is listen to the tone of her voice on some of the responses. You will hear it.

 

[marycarney]

And I must say, if she was responsible for what happened to Lisa, would she really openly admit that she had gotten drunk that night? That has to be incredibly embarrassing, imo. I see her as being honest, 100%, in order to find her child.

I gotta say that if she was REALLY interested in finding her child - she would not have waited TWO WEEKS before coming clean AND she would be looking, handing out flyers, begging for the child's return. IMHO she is only attempting to cover her own tracks.