Did Lisa's Mom do it? Poll

[Whocanitbenow]

Hi texascharm.. Another newbie here! Looks like we hit the jackpot of great sites!

 

[SmoothOperator]

I just watched this video..*
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]Baby Lisa's Parents Take Questions From Reporters - YouTube[/ame]
It's the first time I'd been able to watch in it's entirety due to buffering issues.. And tho I've already voted on this poll early today I now felt as tho I needed to add to my vote these thoughts.. I voted that I am straight-up, perched high on this fence in the middle of mom having responsibility or mom not having responsibility.. And that stance has not changed, but after watching this video I must admit, I BELIEVE MOM, Deborah!!! I believe her tears(which I know some have remarked at their being no actual tears but I can attest to their being actual tears along with the sobbing).. The emotion is directly on que with where it would appropriately be.. Whereas in many other cases with a guilty party being interviewed the tears/sobbing/emotion shown is often at inappropriate times, or times where it doesn't match the issue at hand.. Whereas with Deborah the overcome with emotion that occurs resulting in the sobbing, and tears flowing are consistent and appropriate matched with the issue being discussed at the time she becomes overcome with emotion.. This, for me lends more credence to it being real and honest emotion rather than faked or acted emotion.. As I said much of the time when acting the faked emotions are not consistent in matching what is taking place at the time they Are being overcome with emotion.. This is important IMO and something I began picking up on and correlating the exact discussion taking place at the moment in time the outward emotion is being displayed.. In cases long ago I first began taking notice and IMO it is often indicative one way or the other.. Jmo, tho!

So, point for point in this video that is nearly 10mins in length I find that Deborah's outward emotions fit and are appropriate, as well as consistent with the discussions at that precise moment(s).. In this video I feel Deborah is being honest and genuine.. The emotion very real IMO.. When asked to recall her last moments with baby Lisa I felt her pain in the pit of my stomach of anguish in her terror and fear that those exact few memories of getting Lisa ready for bed may indeed be her last memories EVER OF HER ONLY DAUGHTER, Lisa!!!.. That is what I felt and took away from it at that moment in the video..

How does this fare with all the other details or info thus far known about the disappearance???

That I am just not too sure on either way and am only holding tighter to my position atop the fence.. A fence I am not accustomed to be sitting on.. The fence is usually the last, and I mean VERY LAST place that you'll ever find me in a WS case. And that's just due to the fact that there is usually something known from fairly early on, and it's known as a solid fact.. That fact is usually what has me ATLEAST meandering around on one side of the proverbial fence.. Never that early would I usually be planted firmly on either side, but as I said I would nonetheless have already found myself to be checking things out pretty seriously on that one side that I'm moseying around on.. Here that could not be farther from the case for me in terms of my position in relevance to the fence.. I've never been so.. "at one" with the fence..lol.. The fence and I being so close and secure that we have become "one"..lol.. And I don't like it all!!!! It is not a familiar place for me therefor I feel out of my "norm".. Out of my comfort zone and definitely unfamiliar with this perched position on the fence..

On the one hand I BELIEVE DEBORAH!! I REALLY DO!!! I BELIEVE HER PAIN TO BE VERY REAL and it's almost as if I can see/hear what's going thru her mind at certain points when the brutal reality washes over here that she may NEVER, EVER SEE HER BABY, HOLD HER BABY, AND WATCH HER ONLY BABY GIRL GROW INTO A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG WOMAN!?!? it's as if I can see when this washes over her..
On that hand I of course lean more to mom not responsible side of the fence(but nothing near having my butt so much as raised off its perched position on the fence.). But ATLEAST it makes me lean towards mom's innocence..

But the i go to the other hand.. And on the other hand I look at the entire abduction scenario as a whole and realize that it is something that in speaking of percentages it's likely to be a low percent of that scenario being a true reality( BUT THAT DEFINITELY DOES NOT MEAN IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED).. IT DEFINITELY IS A POSSIBILITY!!!

Also on this other hand I look at this latest info of mom caught on cam at 5ish on the very night when Lisa "disappeared".. 2 hours prior to her getting her ready for bed as she describes emotionally as her last memory of time with her daughter at 7:30pm that exact same night.. And on cam she is seen purchasing a box of wine(and paper goods.. IMO irrelevant, period) and a male that is unnamed in the media.. This definitely brings about questions(and not due to the reason most have).. I don't question the per se her buying wine, nor her being with unnamed male.. Nor do I believe For Certain that she with held this activity from LE.. I am neither certain that she did tell LE, or that she did NOT tell LE.. If I had to choose one of the two, at this time MOO would be that SHE DID TELL LE OF THIS STORE RUN.. but at this time we have no way of verifying either way.. I do not find LE's having gone to the actual grocery store and having pulled their video and reviewed it as meaning that she did NOT tell them, but rather hid this event from LE and they had to discover this detail on their own.. IMO LE actions of viewing video do not equal her hiding the event!! I believe that this would ABSOLUTELY BE SOP OF LE VERIFYING A WITNESS/SUSPECT's ALIBI OR ACCT OF THEIR TIMELINE!!.. it is done regularly in missing person/murder cases.. Since when did a LE start taking ANY PERSON's "word" for it to be absolute solid factual??? They don't!! They are going to go to whatever lengths necessary to confirm/deny every single, teeny, tiny detail of an individual's alibi or their acct of their time for the timeline in question!! That's the way it works.. That's SOP in any case being handled with integrity IMO.. The minute an investigator is taking an individual's
"word" for it about any detail whatsoever you better start looking at the integrity of that entire investigation.. Because IMO it is a tell-tale sign of there being no integrity in investigating a case.. Jmo..

So, in the end with this at first glance very damning looking new detail that came to light last night.. The issues that many find to be so very telling, and telling in a damning sort of way.. IMO are not damning nor even indicative of what many claim them to be(assuming it to mean she hid this detail from LE).. But what issue I have is what she has stated in public, to the media.. This is where I need someone to let me know if they are aware in any of mom's public statements where she is accounting her version of the day and evenings events.. Is there at any time during any of those public accounts being told where she either makes a definite statement declaring THAT SHE WENT NOWHERE THAT DAY OR EVENING.. or .. THAT SHE DEFINITELY NEVER LEFT THE HOME THAT DAY OR EVENING, or anything remotely similar with these same exact sentiments being declared with absolute certainty??? (if so would someone be so very kind to reply with a post to a link where mom makes these declarations.)

Because I am definitely NOT SAYING that mom DID NOT make any/all of those statements.. Infact IIRC I have seen it discussed where Mom has made public statements, "that she never left the house that day".. Again will someone please
Point me to where I can find this stated by mom.. It's crucial for me personally.. Because at this time I cannot conclude any reason whatsoever that LE would direct the mother to hide or lie to the public/media about this wine run to the store.. Nothing I can come up with makes me believe LE would gave directed her to do so.. So, I am concerned if Deborah indeed has made public statements THAT SHE NEVER LEFT THE HOME THAT DAY/EVENING.. my finding these details and info about mom's statements will definitely IMO ATLEAST make my leaning in one direction moreso than the other.. And that IMO, for me is a step in the right direction towards getting me the he!! Off this damn, uncomfortable azz fence, and back near my comfort zone of one side of the other.. If even in just meandering around.. I'm ATLEAST back in my "norm" of checking things out on that one side or the other..

TIA to anyone who could post me a link with mom making such declarations

And sorry so long winded

 

[Kakidoll]

I gotta say, i agree. My darn butt is getting splinters from sliding on and off the fence so much.
Just watched that video again and DB seems SO sincere, and then i see JI's eyes moving back and forth and question him....... UGH.

Going to put padded pants on now, because i forsee a lot more pain on my tush before this one is solved, unfortunately.

 

[jjenny]

I am still on the fence and have to see more information. She doesn't necessarily strike me as "sincere" but who knows.

 

[Colt46]

Something is definitely not right here. In this 'newbie's opinion, the 2 boys are key! Has it been established that they were both home all day and evening? If anything untoward happened in that home, they would have been witnesses. Assuming they have been interviewed, would the police allow them to remain with the parents if they offered up any incriminating evidence or if police suspected DB or JI? Evidentally, they are being cared for by relatives - is this voluntary or were they remanded to custodial care?

Why did DB blurt out that she 'flunked' the poly! Police are not acknowledging it. So which is it? Did she, or didn't she? And why would she be so quick to throw it out there? Is this a subconscious admission of guilt or police scare tactics?

I definitely think she's hiding something. There was talk today of 'criminal informants' who called the tip line urging police to check into her 'associates' in the neighborhood...inferring they were unsavory types. Could one of them been involved? Was someone in the house while JI was at work? Could the boys have slept through the chaos if something did indeed happen to the baby later on in the evening?
Could that be why all the lights were left on? If there was coverup activity and disposal of a little body, is that why the door was left unlocked?

My gut feeling is the police know who did it, but they are waiting until they find a body -I don't think they are looking for a 'live' baby!

 

[Kat]

I can't vote yet. I don't have enough info to draw any solid conclusions. Narrowing it down but not there yet. I'll come back and vote when I get a better understanding.

 

[wfgodot]

So I suppose if we were all one big grand jury, we would not be returning a true bill and indicting Deborah Bradley or anyone else in this case. Right now, half aren't sure and sixteen percent believe the mom's story - just over 67% believe her or are riding that fence. 30% believe she's guilty; about 33% are sure the answer lies either with her or with both parents.

Pretty amazing when one reviews the events of the last week; amazing and salutary that there is no rush to judgement here.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Is it normal to have a grand jury this early in a case? This seems odd to me.

 

[wfgodot]

Is it normal to have a grand jury this early in a case? This seems odd to me.

To me it seems very odd, but then again I'm not an expert. Does seem early though.

 

[Pensfan]

Hi SmoothOperator!
I also think the mom is grieving, but if her baby died from an terrible accident, mom would also grieve.

It is very disturbing that Deborah has a 7 minute interview with reporters and she doesn't hold a photo of her baby for everyone to be able to recognize Lisa. The parents remembered to bring the Barney toy to this 7 minute interview, but they didn't bring a photo of Lisa so she could be recognized and returned.

Both of these parents are watching the other in this video. Why? Remember in the Kyron Horman videos that Desiree and Tony didn't "watch" each other. Desiree stood in front of the camera motionless and sobbed. She didn't need to check Tony's behavior or worry about what he would say next. She knew what his behavior and statements would be. Remember that Terri watched Kaine at many times in that first interview though. Her eyes would dart over to check Kaine's facial expression, but not as many times as in the above video.

Watch the video again and you can see that mom is sobbing, but when asked a question, she suddenly stops crying and is able to answer the question. Also notice that mom uses distraction to her advantage. When asked a tough question, she immediately brings up her sad, sad, sad, sad little boys to elicit empathy from the listener and distract them.

She also manages to insert numerous statements about her "loving motherly behavior" in this video. The interview was to be about finding Lisa, but she manipulates a sizable portion to talk about herself. She is already attempting to show that she is a loving mother. How many references were there about her hugging her boys in this video and others?

 

[passionflower]

and wahen parents gave a pix it was of a very young infant and not the latest pic from party 2 days before.........ODD

 

[IrishMist]

and wahen parents gave a pix it was of a very young infant and not the latest pic from party 2 days before.........ODD

It showed her eyes really, really well, though.

The other pictures could have been on someone else's camera, and it took a day or so to get them.

 

[NancyA]

I'm on the fence and while I have wobbled a couple of times the strongest wobbles have been toward innocence of the Mom. As many others have said there just isn't enough info to make a judgement in this case - yet. The reported lack of evidence of an intruder is perfectly balanced IMO by the reported lack of evidence of ANY wrongdoing on the part of anyone within the household, I'm fully aware of the statistical likelihood of the perp being a parent in these types of case but that is countered by knowledge of the many cases on this site alone where children WERE abducted from their homes by strangers, it's rare but it DOES happen. The other thing that sways me towards the Mom is that where others see 'hink' in body language, facial expressions, word choices etc I'm not seeing anything untoward.

 

[mrye4709]

Why did DB blurt out that she 'flunked' the poly! Police are not acknowledging it. So which is it? Did she, or didn't she? And why would she be so quick to throw it out there? Is this a subconscious admission of guilt or police scare tactics?

Snipped by me :crazy:

Didn't Breann's daddy say he was told he failed the LDT? Not sure of the timing of it, though, and I don't remember if LE confirmed or denied it.

P.S. I need instructions on snipping a quote please, this didn't work for me.

 

[marge_rita]

SmoothOperator, could you write a long post next time. :floorlaugh:

I think the mom cries at appropriate times and I think she cries at inapporpriate times. I'm stuck, not sure what to believe.


imo

 

[TGIRecovered]

I didn't vote because none of the choices fit my opinion.

I am sure that Mom is involved and is not being truthful with LE. I don't know if she did something which killed baby Lisa or if Lisa died due to some kind of negligence or poor decision by MOM. If there were other people at the home that night, someone else could be involved too.

The fact that LE had to discover a reciept and get video from the store to find out that Mom bought wine that day strengthens the suspicion I already felt about the possibility of Mom and/or others being drunk or impared that night. Who else knew about the wine and did not tell police the first day? Her brother? Teen babysitter? The mom of the 4 yr old girl who watched movies with the boys? Why would all of those people keep it quiet...were there other drugs to accompany the wine, say--- a joint or two next to the open window?

Boiling it down, I think Mom is in it deep and others helped delay the discovery of the "wine fest" the night Lisa disappeared. Maybe dad knows, maybe he helped cover it up or he could just be clueless. I will be shocked if Mom did this and covered it up all by herself.

 

[blindfaith]

I've been lurking awhile but have never posted. When I first saw Deborah on TV, she looked so genuine and in real pain over the loss of Lisa. I had no doubt of her innocence at that time. What bothers me is that the more they talk, the more things slip, like saying "we" checked on her. I'm not one for body language or statement analysis to conclude someones guilt or innocence, but things like that are kind of obvious. While the cell phones missing and lights being on are odd, it's something that I could believe happened with an intruder. I put no stock in the lie detector, especially with how stressed and upset she is. It doesn't bother me that they needed a break from questioning. I can't even imagine being questioned for 11 hours straight about my missing baby, having no sleep and being consumed with worry. It just seems like every media interview they gave, things just keep coming up that contradict what was said before that. That is what bothers me about the whole thing. I truly hope it's just stress. She truly does look devastated. If she does know what happened to Lisa, I do NOT believe she purposely did anything. If anything, she KNOWS what happened but I don't believe she DID anything to Lisa. I just want this little baby found. After the Caylee case, I told myself I was gonna stop watching the news. It's too heartbreaking. This one sucked me right back in.

 

[Pensfan]

Maybe that dad did it and mayb they should chech for her in the walls whoever his electrician job was that night

Welcome to Websleuths, Meem!

A dead Yale grad student who was an adult was put into a wall somehow last year. :shiver: We would all save money by avoiding Starbucks, but this is too terrible to think about.

If dad got home sometime around 3:35 am but didn't call police until 4:04 am. something hinky was happening. It would take most people about 1 second to call 911 after discovering their infant was not in her room which supposedly had the door shut.

 

[Codger]

Snipped by me :crazy:

Didn't Breann's daddy say he was told he failed the LDT? Not sure of the timing of it, though, and I don't remember if LE confirmed or denied it.

P.S. I need instructions on snipping a quote please, this didn't work for me.

mrye - I "think" what happened to your quote was, somehow the / got deleted from the end tag... at the end of the portion you quoted it "should" have shown [ / QUOTE ] with no spaces, in the box where you typed your reply and posted from. Hope that's clearer than mud.

 

[wfgodot]

And welcome to WebSleuths, blindfaith!