Did Lisa's Mom do it? Poll

[Pedrosmom]

Pull those boys out of that house and interview them with a child couselor present, separately. They need to be assured that nothing will happen to them if they tell the truth. They could be fearing either parent but have info helpful to police. They would know if the Mom had a friend over, was drinking, when the baby went to bed, was the baby crying? an accident? mom's actions that night, mom's mood, etc.

Someone in that house knows. There were 2 boys there as well.

 

[Chris_Texas]

A big question I have: Where was Lisa while mom was at the store buying wine?

 

[Cappuccino]

A big question I have: Where was Lisa while mom was at the store buying wine?

At home with her two brothers and either her dad or the teenage babysitter.

 

[2goldfish]

:sigh: I just watched the 7 min video, I dont get any hinky impression at ALL. I think mom cries most of the time, just sometimes harder than others. now maybe she knows what happened and regrets it, after all not all deceased children have a parent like casey anthony.

I just dont know. the mother seems sooooo sincere. maybe like I would be if my own child was snatched.

how many times on WS in how many forums have I seen hundreds of people say "that person is guilty, they are nothing like me, if it was my child I would be a wreck, I would cry nonstop" and here we have a mother doing just that and now that looks suspicious to people?

ps. please PLEASE never put your faith in the results of a polygraph, whether pass or fail! believe me there is a reason they arent allowed in court!

 

[Jareau]

My fence is still too high to jump off.

 

[LisaB]

No one walked in the unlocked front door, flipped on the lights, started opening doors, spotted an infant and decided to murder it, oh, and maybe grab those cell phones on the way out. (snip) And since Dad was at work that leaves only one person.

Everyone is still a victim, and I am suggesting this hypothetically only.

Susan Smith killed her sons because her new BF didn't want to raise another guy's kids. In this case, each parent entered the relationship with one child. Even-steven. Then they had Lisa, who was supposed to be their daughter together. If there was enough evidence the child was not Jeremy's, mom may have disposed of her before he could figure it out (to avoid losing HIM, in spite of love for Lisa) or he could have done it to eliminate the "intruder" in his family, the child of another man, who was NOT part of the original arrangement.

Has any neighbor said they looked outside at 3am and saw all the lights ablaze at Deb's house? Or is it just Jeremy saying so? If she had had a few glasses of wine after dealing with a sick baby all day, she might have been soundly asleep (lights off, doors locked, even) when Jeremy came home, giving him time to remove Lisa and the phones (perhaps in the dark, since he knew where everything was) then bent a screen, turned on lights and woken Deb in a staged panic. If she knew why he took the baby (not his) she maybe upset because the only way to get Lisa back (if she is alive) is to admit her indiscretion to Jeremy knowing he'd leave her with TWO kids to take care of alone.

JMO

 

[LisaB]

Is it normal to have a grand jury this early in a case? This seems odd to me.

The grand jury was already convened on other issues and were asked to order that media outlets turn over all footage of the parents in this case. This was done because of the amount of time required to convene a grand jury for this case and issue specifically, and the fact that doing so would be premature. All the GJ has dealt with in this case is the raw and aired video and audio footage of the parents, not whether or not to charge anyone.

 

[poco]

My fence is still too high to jump off.

While mine is so low, my feet touch the ground.

 

[iluvmua]

If she didn't do it, she probably knows who did

 

[butwhatif?]

In this video around the 4:10 mark, after being asked if she's getting any sleep, does anyone else feel..... uneasy about her response?

Not about only having a a couple of hours sleep, but the bit where she says: "I close my eyes and see her........ I can't......" <Crying>

It actually makes me feel physically sick...I have this strong weird feeling that when she closes her eyes while saying it, she is picturing a deceased Lisa that she has already seen.


And then I get the same feeling again at the 6:40 mark when she says "and if you pick her up and you cuddle her" <starts crying> "she, she probably won't cry...." <sobs>

For some reason it feels like she's remembering picking Lisa up and Lisa's not crying anymore..... because she can't....it's too late.

I have no idea why I feel this so strongly- I have absolutely nothing to back it up with.

With both statements and reactions I know it could be interpreted in the polar opposite way...that she's imagining the worst case scenario for the first one and for the 2nd, that she's just remembering the last time she held her beautiful baby girl in her arms...with a case of the sniffles, but alive.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Lmy0Q5U_k&feature=player_embedded"]Baby Lisa's Parents Take Questions From Reporters - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I find BOTH of the parent's reaction to be very odd.

 

[iluvmua]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44872173#44872173

So mom calls LE back to the house because she found Cig Butts last month when one of the vehicles was broken into? yeah, not buying that either.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44872173#44872173

So mom calls LE back to the house because she found Cig Butts last month when one of the vehicles was broken into? yeah, not buying that either.

Some msm reports say that JI did file a police report regarding the vehicle being broken into. FWIW.

 

[jjenny]

Some msm reports say that JI did file a police report regarding the vehicle being broken into. FWIW.

But that was a month ago.

 

[vasportsmom]

While mine is so low, my feet touch the ground.

Mine too. I thought these parents were innoncent. I defended and believed in them from day 1 but I've ran out of excuses. Something is really off here and at least one of them knows what it is. Now I just hope someone puts an end to this before it becomes a circus

 

[iluvmua]

I think one or both (DB the most) keeps digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole.

Who keeps Cig Butts for a month, baby gets "kidnapped" and says "oh Yeah, we had one of our vehicles broken into last month and we found some Cig Butts on the ground, could you check these for prints"?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

But that was a month ago.

True. But there is at least some documentation that the vehicle was broken into at some point, so she's not completely making something up here. Of course, fingerprints on a cig butt left in the driveway for over a month? Not gonna be there, imo. DNA? Maybe.

 

[LisaB]

Both Deb and Jeremy "stole" their sons from spouses reluctant to give up custody. Could one of the spouses have taken Lisa to try to "trade" for their child? If it was Deb's husband, Jeremy would probably be in favor of the trade, to retrieve HIS daughter. For Deb, this would mean giving up one of her children to get the other back. Thus, tension between the parents. Jeremy wanting to know why she would choose her child from a previous relationship over her child with him might make him angry with her. And she could be distraught at having to make this decision without his support. And of course, she'd feel guilty if it was HER spouse that did it. Now, why he would not steal his OWN child I do not know, unless it is becasue that child was in bed with Deb and he figured he'd grab the baby and arrange a swap.

TOTAL SPECULATION HERE FOLKS!

 

[Codger]

wide open door here--"she was never missing, she drowned"

we all think our kids are beautiful and why wouldnt someone else want them too...but come on, how often does someone break in at night and kill or take a kid, then leave without waking anyone or harming anyone else or stealing something?

Very rarely, but it does happen. I'm not attached to a random stranger abduction in this case, but it can't be ruled out, yet. They're usually by luck + all the right circumstances falling into the perps hands. The cells were allegedly stolen in this case.

IF the door was left unlocked = luck. Most perps look for the easy route. It's MOO that IF an intruder (stranger or not) came in the front door, they might walk through the kitchen, see phones immediately, no need to search aaaaand might already know which room Lisa slept in, or just peek in each. It's possible to be stealthy / quiet. Lisa may never have made a peep, maybe she didn't fuss at all, maybe she never woke. JI said boys were both heavy sleepers. DB might have been totally exhausted, bday party day before, baby not feeling well, long day, JI gone to work on a new night shift, she might have fallen into a deep sleep, especially if Lisa was sleeping without coughing + fussing. It's plausible this created no ruckus / noise to wake anyone + was done in 5 minutes or less.

I'm not saying this is what I think happened, nor is it the most likely, just that it's possible. It's why I'm stuck on this fence - there's no glaring piece of evidence or anything that throws me off one side or the other. I can work out scenarios in either direction that are possible, not probable, but it's happened before + the world was SURE it was a parent, someone close, someone known, when in fact it was a total stranger - Jessica Lunsford, for example - nobody woke, nobody else harmed, nothing stolen, IIRC.

btw - jumping off your post, not aimed at you in particular, just thinking out loud.

 

[Codger]

Both Deb and Jeremy "stole" their sons from spouses reluctant to give up custody. Could one of the spouses have taken Lisa to try to "trade" for their child? If it was Deb's husband, Jeremy would probably be in favor of the trade, to retrieve HIS daughter. For Deb, this would mean giving up one of her children to get the other back. Thus, tension between the parents. Jeremy wanting to know why she would choose her child from a previous relationship over her child with him might make him angry with her. And she could be distraught at having to make this decision without his support. And of course, she'd feel guilty if it was HER spouse that did it. Now, why he would not steal his OWN child I do not know, unless it is becasue that child was in bed with Deb and he figured he'd grab the baby and arrange a swap.

TOTAL SPECULATION HERE FOLKS!

I don't know enough about the custody dealings with either parent + their exes to be sure they were "reluctant" or felt they'd "stolen" their child. I'll assume most parents on the losing end of a custody dispute feel that way, regardless. If that's the case, certainly a valid theory.

Side note - DB's ex, SB, is not stateside at the time Lisa goes missing. He's military + I forget where he's stationed, but it's out of the country. Now that doesn't negate your theory, just means he would need someone else to do the deed for him.