Did the jury get it wrong, or...

[crucibelle]

You know what I would like to see....I would like a poll that shows a demographic of NG people vs. Guilty people.
Liberal?
Conservative?
Middle of the road?
I think it would show alot.

I think a lot of people assume that liberals would be more likely to have voted NG. I consider myself a liberal, and I would have NEVER voted NG, because I think KC is guilty as sin. I also have no qualms about the DP. I was hoping that would be KC's punishment.

 

[goldenlover]

Does this man even hear what he's saying? If she was just curious about what it was, why would she type in "How to make chloroform" and go to the website 84 times? These people must have taken no notes!!

Thanks for the synopsis by the way. I can't bring myself to watch their interviews.

Or she went to the website just one time if you believe the computer expert from the sherrifs department. Since his answer did not fit the prosecutions theory, the found a guy in Canada that was able to say 84 times...the exact same number of times myspace was visited...what a coincidence.

Also, this juror said he took over 400 pages of notes, himself.

 

[BiancaS]

Did you even listen to Mr. Masons and the jury foremans description of the position of the duct tape? It was not wrapped around the skull. They both said that. The 3rd piece was found 9 feet away. It was stuck in the hair, and only on one side of the skull. How could the prosecution ever think they could, with all honesty call that the murder weapon. How could Dr. G even use it in coming to a conclusion of homicide. That is why they had to manufacture the video of the super-imposed duct tape photo-shopped across the picture of Caylee. If it was apparant that the duct tape was across the nose and mouth of the skull, that would not have been necessary. They knew the jury could not come to that conclusion with the actual crime scene photos because that is not what they showed, so they got some guy to make a video..that video was not evidence..thats crazy.

Cheney Mason says it was a figment of JA imagination about what the role of the duct tape was. I believe him. How could a jury take this kind of evidence and convict a person of murder?

JA was not the only one that knew what the duct tape was used for. And Mason should learn the facts of the case better. There were three pieces on the skull. The FOURTH piece was a distance away. He made the same misstatement during the trial, but who needs facts when you can just make them up as you go along. The duct tape was on the skull, but it was not in the exact same place that the babykiller put it on. You see, when Caylee was rotting away in the heat and water...her skin was no longer there for the tape to stick to. Since she wrapped it around to Caylee's hair, it was stuck to the hair. We know it was on the mouth as the mandible did not separate from the body (which all expert witnesses agreed would have happened had the tape been placed there after decomposition.

 

[Solange82200]

I think a lot of people assume that liberals would be more likely to have voted NG. I consider myself a liberal, and I would have NEVER voted NG, because I think KC is guilty as sin. I also have no qualms about the DP. I was hoping that would be KC's punishment.

Me too. I actually think we should get rid of the death penalty, but I was still hoping KC would get it! But everyone I know in real life, some of which are both conservative and liberals, agree that she killed her child and that the jury was wrong.

The fact that you can get these two groups of people to agree on anything, that really means something lol. I couldnt believe it when I was watching Bill Oreilly talk about the jury and actually AGREED with him.

 

[crucibelle]

Did you even listen to Mr. Masons and the jury foremans description of the position of the duct tape? It was not wrapped around the skull. They both said that. The 3rd piece was found 9 feet away. It was stuck in the hair, and only on one side of the skull. How could the prosecution ever think they could, with all honesty call that the murder weapon. How could Dr. G even use it in coming to a conclusion of homicide. That is why they had to manufacture the video of the super-imposed duct tape photo-shopped across the picture of Caylee. If it was apparant that the duct tape was across the nose and mouth of the skull, that would not have been necessary. They knew the jury could not come to that conclusion with the actual crime scene photos because that is not what they showed, so they got some guy to make a video..that video was not evidence..thats crazy.

Cheney Mason says it was a figment of JA imagination about what the role of the duct tape was. I believe him.

How could a jury take this kind of evidence and convict a person of murder?

Goldenlover, respectfully, you are WRONG about the duct tape. There were THREE pieces of duct tape on Caylee's face. The piece that was found 9 feet away was the FOURTH piece. This is an example of you just taking Mason's word as truth, rather than looking into it yourself -- exactly what the jury did. If you would have looked at the CSI report, you would have seen that there were three pieces of tape on the skull, and the fourth piece nine feet away. Instead, you took Mason's word and ended up with totally false information.

 

[Solange82200]

Or she went to the website just one time if you believe the computer expert from the sherrifs department. Since his answer did not fit the prosecutions theory, the found a guy in Canada that was able to say 84 times...the exact same number of times myspace was visited...what a coincidence.

Also, this juror said he took over 400 pages of notes, himself.

Even if it was only once, that still is incriminating considering the levels of chloroform in the trunk. And speaking of coincidences, you have to accept a million coincidences in order to believe in an accident. May I ask, do you have a mistrust of police and authority? It seems from many of your comments that perhaps you do or have had a bad experience.

 

[magic-cat]

Thanks for being cool about it Boston, I totally get what you are saying. The Anthony's are definitely not normal. Part of it could be the fact that their child is a sociopath, and they have been torn so long between loving their child and seeing that something is wrong with her. Or it could be that they have psychological issues of their own, some of which Casey inherited. I just wish the jury had not taken that behavior as proof of Casey's innocence.

Their behavior proves her innocent, and her behavior doesn't prove her guilty? They never got past the opening statement. The verdict had nothing to do with ANY of the evidence. It had to do with them being simpletons who took the defenses opening and made it their mantra!

This jury? Worthless. Eight graders would have had a better grasp of the law.

 

[magic-cat]

Goldenlover, respectfully, you are WRONG about the duct tape. There were THREE pieces of duct tape on Caylee's face. The piece that was found 9 feet away was the FOURTH piece. This is an example of you just taking Mason's word as truth, rather than looking into it yourself -- exactly what the jury did. If you would have looked at the CSI report, you would have seen that there were three pieces of tape on the skull, and the fourth piece nine feet away. Instead, you took Mason's word and ended up with totally false information.

Absolutely. One overlapping another then another overlapping sideways over those 2 then a LONGER piece some distance away from her skeleton.

 

[goldenlover]

Most experts seemed to agree. Including Dr. G, the expert. But you would rather believe the defense attorney? The tape was where it would have been considering what it was stuck to (the face) was gone. It;s logical to say it would not be wrapped around the skull since it was not stuck to the skull ever, it was stuck to the face, which was gone. Why is the duct tape there then? It unstuck itself from the plastic bag (if thats your theory) and stuck itself to the hair??? You dont see why that doesnt make sense?

I respect your opinion, however:

Who knows where the duct tape was as RK moved the skull, by his own admission. It may even have rolled out the bag, as that was his first story, but he later changed it. That is the problem..no one knows where the duct tape was or what role it played in the entire scheme of things. RK could have took a roll from the comand center where GA had it and put it at the crime scene for all anyone knows to make his "find" even more sensational" I still feel you cannot call it a murder weapon when you do not know the cause or manner of death. Dr. G used the duct tape to conclude her manner of death. With the duct tape position and role so questionable, IMO it disqualifies her manner of death. I am sure she meant well, but she seemed very arrogant and I feel that a person with that much arrogance would have a problem admitting she did not know the manner or cause of death..which would be admitting she didn't know anything...just not her style.

Yes, I guess I choose to believe the defense attorney as he is telling it straight up like it is because his description of the photo of the skull and duct tape exactly matched that of the jury foreman who saw the same photo. If the photo was enough for the proscecution, the would not have had that speculative video made.

 

[Solange82200]

Also, those who believe George was involved, what do you think of the jail tapes? George asks Casey to talk to the cops, and his whole conversation was consistent with him not knowing. Do people think it was all an act? Not only on behalf of George, but Casey too, pretending he knows nothing even though he supposedly is trying to "frame" her? That is going into conspiracy theory territory. It is only one of the many reasons why thinking George was involved makes NO sense. Or I guess we are supposed to believe those are all "coincidences"?
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[3doglady]

Absolutely. One overlapping another then another overlapping sideways over those 2 then a LONGER piece some distance away from her skeleton.

I hope they have enhanced photos of the stain showing Caylee and release them now. Your post reminded me of the one where a close up was taken of the stain showing what looked like duct taped arms behind her body.

 

[goldenlover]

Absolutely. One overlapping another then another overlapping sideways over those 2 then a LONGER piece some distance away from her skeleton.

Ok, I did take his word for that, you could be right. But the skull was moved, by RK..he admitted that he moved it and no one knows how much. No one knows that the duct tape was used as murder weapon, that was just the prosecutors theory. Why was one piece found so far away, even if it was the 4th piece..maybe all of the pieces started off where the 4th piece was? How do we know for sure?

 

[Solange82200]

I respect your opinion, however:

Who knows where the duct tape was as RK moved the skull, by his own admission. It may even have rolled out the bag, as that was his first story, but he later changed it. That is the problem..no one knows where the duct tape was or what role it played in the entire scheme of things. RK could have took a roll from the comand center where GA had it and put it at the crime scene for all anyone knows to make his "find" even more sensational" I still feel you cannot call it a murder weapon when you do not know the cause or manner of death. Dr. G used the duct tape to conclude her manner of death. With the duct tape position and role so questionable, IMO it disqualifies her manner of death. I am sure she meant well, but she seemed very arrogant and I feel that a person with that much arrogance would have a problem admitting she did not know the manner or cause of death..which would be admitting she didn't know anything...just not her style.

Yes, I guess I choose to believe the defense attorney as he is telling it straight up like it is because his description of the photo of the skull and duct tape exactly matched that of the jury foreman who saw the same photo. If the photo was enough for the proscecution, the would not have had that speculative video made.

So in order to try to confirm your theory, you are now trying to insinuate Kronk was involved? You have gone way past reasonable doubt and into conspiracy theory area here. The prosecution used that video because of the fact the 6 months or decomp moved the tape, and they wanted to show how it was when she died. Yeah the picture didnt show where the tape was, because like everyone said, it was six months later and the skin was now gone.

And why would you call Dr G arrogant?? What did she do to make you say that? But you dont find the man that flipped off the camera arrogant? Im sorry, but your arguments are nonsensical to me, I cant even understand why you believe these things, you seem to just be trying to find any alternate explanation to prove it wasnt murder, even the explanations make no sense.

 

[askfornina]

Ok, I did take his word for that, you could be right. But the skull was moved, by RK..he admitted that he moved it and no one knows how much. No one knows that the duct tape was used as murder weapon, that was just the prosecutors theory. Why was one piece found so far away, even if it was the 4th piece..maybe all of the pieces started off where the 4th piece was? How do we know for sure?

in addition to roy kronk moving the skull, the skull was moved by water and animals. who is to say where that duct tape was originally?

 

[magic-cat]

Or she went to the website just one time if you believe the computer expert from the sherrifs department. Since his answer did not fit the prosecutions theory, the found a guy in Canada that was able to say 84 times...the exact same number of times myspace was visited...what a coincidence.

Also, this juror said he took over 400 pages of notes, himself.

So what if she DID only go to THAT website one time? There were OTHER chloroform searches besides that one in particular. There was plain old chlorAform...then google kindly corrected the spelling for Casey so she could get better results, and after that? She searched chloroform habit-how to make chloroform-then the individual ingredients.

In addition, she ALSO searched making weapons from household items, neckbreaking, chest trauma, internal bleeding and more.

Perhaps Casey HAD a chloroform habit already. Perhaps her and her boyfriend were using it as part of their sex ritual? Maybe Casey was using it on Caylee so she would not wake up during their sexual encounters since she was in the same bed with them at the time...Maybe she was tired of taking care of her "brat" child and maybe she was tired of taking flack from her annoying parents so she concocted a plan to get rid of the lot of them? Maybe she was going to kill Cindy next and then have George framed for ALL of it, since she is such a "spiteful Bitc-" by her own admission to her brother, Lee. She apparently had some kind of plans, because she was telling Amy H that they were moving in to her parents home, and they were signing the mortgage over to her. These are actual facts-things that actually happened.

The fact is, there is a far greater likelihood that Casey Anthony IS the monster that we all believe she is than the other way around. I would lay you odds on it that if we live long enough, we will come to find this out, just as Joran Van DerSloot reoffended? So too will this offender. Mark it down, because it's a cold hard fact that this is not the last we will ever hear of this sociopath...unless of course, it changes it name...:maddening:

 

[Solange82200]

Ok, I did take his word for that, you could be right. But the skull was moved, by RK..he admitted that he moved it and no one knows how much. No one knows that the duct tape was used as murder weapon, that was just the prosecutors theory. Why was one piece found so far away, even if it was the 4th piece..maybe all of the pieces started off where the 4th piece was? How do we know for sure?

Have you read the analogy someone gave, about how waking up and seeing the snow on the ground, how could maybe believe that a neighbor brought a snow machine in the night, but the logical assumption is that there was a storm? Sure we didnt see the storm, but we can still intelligently say that is what happened.

You dont think its reasonable to assume that one of the pieces got moved to any other location by animals or water, but you think it IS reasonable to assume that three pieces got moved from another location to RIGHT where the body was of all places, by water and animals? Can you see how although we dont know for sure which it is, common sense is that its the former that happened?

 

[Nova24]

So what if she DID only go to THAT website one time? There were OTHER chloroform searches besides that one in particular. There was plain old chlorAform...then google kindly corrected the spelling for Casey so she could get better results, and after that? She searched chloroform habit-how to make chloroform-then the individual ingredients.

In addition, she ALSO searched making weapons from household items, neckbreaking, chest trauma, internal bleeding and more.

Perhaps Casey HAD a chloroform habit already. Perhaps her and her boyfriend were using it as part of their sex ritual? Maybe Casey hawas using it on Caylee so she would not wake up during their sexual encounters since she was in the same bed with them at the time...Maybe she was tired of taking care of her "brat" child and maybe she was tired of taking flack from her annoying parents so she concocted a plan to get rid of the lot of them? Maybe she was going to kill Cindy next and then have George framed for ALL of it, since she is such a "spiteful Bitc-" by her own admission to her brother, Lee. She apparently had some kind of plans, because she was telling Amy H that they were moving in to her parents home, and they were signing the mortgage over to her. These are actual facts-things that actually happened.

The fact is, there is a far greater likelihood that Casey Anthony IS the monster that we all believe she is than the other way around. I would lay you odds on it that if we live long enough, we will come to find this out, just as Joran Van DerSloot reoffended? So too will this offender. Mark it down, because it's a cold hard fact that this is not the last we will ever hear of this sociopath...unless of course, it changes it name...:maddening:

Nicely stated. I agree ICA will offend. I also think there's a good chance she doesn't live to 40. One day she will lie to the wrong person and they will off her.

 

[goldenlover]

Uhm...
Well Caylee had SKIN when the tape was placed on her face. And her hair was on top of her head and not rotted off in a pool around the base of her skull. Also the tape was sticky when placed, but 6 months ina Florida swamp left no stickiness except the one place it was still stuck in her hair.

Cheney Mason is full of hot air. He said himself she was guilty until he signed on the bandwagon.

How? Very easily.

He did not say she was guilty he said she would be found guilty. After he saw her being tried in the court of public opinion, he joined the bandwagon of the defense team, probably after he took a look at the lack of evidence to convict her that the state had. I too, thought she should be found guilty...until the trial started and I saw what the state had..which was very little, and some if it seemed very contrived. Heck, many, many people on this forum posted after the state rested its case that they felt that something was missing..that is the problem..something is missing to get a conviction on any of the top 3 charges. Its just not there.

 

[magic-cat]

Ok, I did take his word for that, you could be right. But the skull was moved, by RK..he admitted that he moved it and no one knows how much. No one knows that the duct tape was used as murder weapon, that was just the prosecutors theory. Why was one piece found so far away, even if it was the 4th piece..maybe all of the pieces started off where the 4th piece was? How do we know for sure?

Maybe that piece was the one she secured her hands with so she could not remove the duct tape if she tried. And maybe when the animals literally ate her hands off that piece was free from the body.

OR maybe that piece was around the bag securing it shut? It was longer than the others, so it had another purpose,, but it was the same brand, so it was definitely part of the scene.

Roy Kronk did not move the skull. It was inches beneath the leaf litter. He exagerated...embellished, well, he lied is what he did, to make it sound more intense, so someone would take him seriously? So he could make more money? Because he had been previously ignored? For whatever reason. It was OBVIOUS he did not move the skull and it had sat there like that for who knows how long. Long enough for some inches of leaf litter to build up around it. It was almost to the eye sockets-the leaf litter that is. That says something more than the ramblings of the meter reader.

 

[Solange82200]

He did not say she was guilty he said she would be found guilty. After he saw her being tried in the court of public opinion, he joined the bandwagon of the defense team, probably after he took a look at the lack of evidence to convict her that the state had. I too, thought she should be found guilty...until the trial started and I saw what the state had..which was very little, and some if it seemed very contrived. Heck, many, many people on this forum posted after the state rested its case that they felt that something was missing..that is the problem..something is missing to get a conviction on any of the top 3 charges. Its just not there.

Most experts said it was there. Now after the verdict, some are backpedaling, but before most everyone who knew anything about law agreed there was enough evidence. Judge Strickland is now saying there was enough evidence and he is basically confused with how this ended. I dont know what you call "many"., buy I have not seen many people (especially in comparison to the ones who think she is guilty) who think there was no evidence for even a manslaughter conviction. I have noticed most of the people defending the verdict have either said they didnt follow the case, or have been caught making false statements about the evidence (not everyone, but most).